India's Top Gun's head for the U.S.

danger dan

Banned Member
srirangan said:
India are looking at the MCA and the Pak-FA fighters as their 5th gen alternatives. US had invited India in the JSF project, but we were already committed to the Pak-FA by then.
What is the Pak - FA project I tried to troll the web for info but nothign, has there been a design freeze for this and are there details available?
 

neel24neo

New Member
starting up is a problem for everyone(not just for indians),thats why pioneering efforts are the toughest.but once that phase is done,rest of the way tends to be easier. this is more so because MCA shares a lot of basics with LCA.therefore once LCA is donewith building MCA wouldnt be a himalayan task,in any case it wouldnt take centuries that you are hoping for.
 

syeduzair

New Member
neel24neo said:
starting up is a problem for everyone(not just for indians),thats why pioneering efforts are the toughest.but once that phase is done,rest of the way tends to be easier. this is more so because MCA shares a lot of basics with LCA.therefore once LCA is donewith building MCA wouldnt be a himalayan task,in any case it wouldnt take centuries that you are hoping for.
With having all of the manufacturing Technology, Access to french wind tunnels and finite element simulation programs, backup from russian research, if it still take more then 20 years to build a delta wing aerodynamic shape, then just imagine how long it gona take to stabilize a tail less aerodaynamic shape, forget about avianoics. Dont you feel Mr Anderson I am right :p
 

neel24neo

New Member
With having all of the manufacturing Technology, Access to french wind tunnels and finite element simulation programs, backup from russian research, if it still take more then 20 years to build a delta wing aerodynamic shape, then just imagine how long it gona take to stabilize a tail less aerodaynamic shape, forget about avianoics. Dont you feel Mr Anderson I am right
well,agent smith,then it should definitely take less than 15 years.lets see what happens.i am not nostradamus and i dont beleive you are...so let the events run their course.
 

syeduzair

New Member
yes you are right 15 years, first 5 years DRDO gona try to make it possiable, next 5 years Politicians will take a decsion, then in last 5 years french can work out the job for India, MCA is complete.

by the way, I am not agent smith, I was at the train station, just watching. ;)
 

neel24neo

New Member
yes you are right 15 years, first 5 years DRDO gona try to make it possiable, next 5 years Politicians will take a decsion, then in last 5 years french can work out the job for India, MCA is complete.

by the way, I am not agent smith, I was at the train station, just watching.
the answer for you is there in my previous posts.lets see...
by the way,anybody is a potential agent....
 

syeduzair

New Member
you are getting smart, love to see this. :)
do you work in DRDO, if yes then I am sure MCA gona be all set in 15 years ;)

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syeduzair

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well webbi, you wana make it dry and boring, will lose the taste. There is nothing offending just funny :) .

Admin, believe me your comments are not funny at all, they're offensive. Other people in here succeed in having meaningful discussions without having to resort to such behavior. Read the Forum rules or risk having your posts deleted. Learn to treat others with opposing views with respect - or go to another Forum
 

srirangan

Banned Member
>> by the way, I am not agent smith, I was at the train station, just watching.

yeah well, time to step out of the matrix and see the real world mate. Here's a red pill for you. :eek:
 

dabrownguy

New Member
Actually I certianly believe the MCA project can be finished in less than 10 years time starting from the funding. Consider this that the LCA is suppose to be 5 generation strike aircraft to replace the ageing Jaguar and Mirages by 2020. No MCA does not have internal weapons bay so that makes the project a whole lot easier. Just like LCA was dirived from the Mirage the MCA could be direved from the Rafeale. It would have the same wings as the LCA which have proven to be quit succesfull. The hardest part of the MCA would be the tailess TVC design and engine. ;)
 

srirangan

Banned Member
The MCA isn't that ambitious project. They'll wait for the PAK-FA prototype and then develope an MCA prototype by just working on the LCA frame and picking up from the PAK-FA. This prototype is expected around 2008-09, then let's see if it out performs the PAK-FA or not.

The PAK-FA is like the Russian equivalent of the JSF (as in built for exports) and India realizes this and thus desires to build an improved MCA for the IAF.
 

muslim282

New Member
Quite ambitious for india to talk about the MCA, considering the fact that the LCA has not got anywere yet, engine problems, structural cracking, avionics not decided, software problems let alone trying to integrate weapons on to it. The LCA project started in the mid 80s, 20 years later its still a white elephant. Lets be honest even thinking about the MCA is a bit far fetched at this stage.
 

neel24neo

New Member
the reason why MCA is not that ambitious is that it shares a lot of technology with the LCA.for example it uses the same engine(though uprated),wing sections ang other subsystems.in aerospace industry it is not uncommon to go for a family of products belonging to different generations,which are basically,development of the same product.eg;su-27 family.another example is from the indian space launchers.india developed SLV-3,ASLV,PSLV andGSLV in a sequence so that systems and sub-systems from one launcher can be used for developing the next generation launcher.in the same way,once LCA is inducted into the airforce,the work on MCA can be started at once.the date of induction of LCA is not that far considering that three LCAs are already flying and has gone supersonic sometime back.yes there has been some trouble with kaveri engine,but that wouldnt stall the programme.i donot know where you got your information on structural cracking,avionics and software glitches though.coming to the time taken for the project,let me ask you how long did the f-22 take to become what it is today?well over 20 years(i donot know if it is in service yet).
 
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