India's Top Gun's head for the U.S.

adsH

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Gremlin29 said:
the RAF are the most professional air force in the world, what kills them in conflict is probabaly freindly fire (yanks)
Huh? I'm curious as to how you came to this conclussion?

here in RAF they actually teach you to Visually identify targets. because of there distance you are even told to look at attributes spot the differences and unique points of AC, and then you can use your own intelligence to figure out what AC is being flown around by who in the area (from the mission Briefing)
adsH, I usually agree with what you say but your statement implies that "threat ID" is something special to the RAF. I doubt there are very many military aviators out there that don't know the difference between an F-14 and a Mig 29.
yeas i agree with yeah. i just got abit hyped up!! i might of been high on cofee when i said that !!. But i know Automation helps to a great extent but i still reckon common sense should prevail. I can understand a Patriot systems shooting an RAF Tornado down, but i cannot imagine why a USAF pilot would do such a thing. i know by personal experience how unreliable complicated Database systems can be, i am sure the patriots are still going through there continued testing so i hope they turn out to be alot more reliable. i personally think BAE's new toy for the WVR target identification system for the JSF would be great but then again that would really on AI and AI is even more unreliable then Non AI systems.
 

adsH

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Xp is not powerful at all, "power" cannot descibe an OS, Windows has alot to offer to a new user, BUt Unix is a tested world class platform,it has been aound for i think 20 pluss years, it has received millions of Updated and correction, its a well designed layed out platform. while XP is all over the place!! XP has been hyped up becasue of advertisements. UNIX platforms like MAC OS X Panther and Tiger are alot easier to use. it's GUI's that User like, and no one beats apple at GUI (who actually developed the idea of GUI). we are now seeing multiple Unix and linux platforms coming together and one-such example is the X11 platform.

to lay it all out i Have a Mac Running OS X panther. i have been using this software for about 6 months before that i had a Jaguar runnig, and i have only had to reset ie turnoff my Desktop only once in the past year (to install Panther). UNIX hardly ever crashes. the file searches are alot better. and i can trust my desktop to keep my documents safe in it.
 

webmaster

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Deltared075 said:
srirangan said:
Well, I consider the window XP was the most powerful window for now... forget the unix or linux....
That is the most misinformed comment about Unix and linux systems. Althought they are not that user friendly but systems that have linux or unix installed on them have been running in some organizations for over 1000 days maybe more.... still their uptime response time is excellent! Windows systems no matter how good and how advanced need to be rebooted every 3-15 days, depending on what type of changes you make and programs that you run on them, not to mention the weekly windows update. :D :roll
 

gf0012-aust

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WebMaster said:
That is the most misinformed comment about Unix and linux systems. Althought they are not that user friendly but systems that have linux or unix installed on them have been running in some organizations for over 1000 days maybe more.... still their uptime response time is excellent! Windows systems no matter how good and how advanced need to be rebooted every 3-15 days, depending on what type of changes you make and programs that you run on them, not to mention the weekly windows update. :D :roll
Windows is absolute rubbish. The majority of combat and security systems I've been involved with are Unix or derivatives, no-one in their right mind would run critical processes with Windows. Bloody memory leaks, process blocking etc... all those processes queue up, don't get unhooked properly and then crash the application. It's a legalised virus.

:mad
 

webmaster

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Tell me about it Gary. :mad Windows is okay for home user and end work stations but for critical system and delivery related issues - unix/linux are way to go.
 

srirangan

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Windows is not okay for anybody. Windows is a piss poor product which is excellently marketed and whose competition is bought out.
 

Londo Molari

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srirangan said:
Yeah right! You say the US Embassy link (http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh02082304.html) is unofficial and un reliable, dream on.. :roll
It is unreliable. The U.S. embassy link is as reliable as the U.S. media. Fully biased. You need a third party saying that the debt was ACTUALLY reliefed... not just empty promises.

People don't plan just on the basis of history, people plan ahead for the future. IAF is not Pakistan centric, end of story.
BS, if you think India's primary concern is not Pakistan, then you're dreaming.

US stopped the Indian build up and war efforts in 2002. This is a fact.
Source?

Yeah right, and what has the PA been fighting in Wana recently? Taliban and Al Queda. US still needs pakistan to capture the remanents and the top heads of Al Queda and Taliban, including OBL.
But its not an active threat to the U.S. and the U.S. doesnt really care... or they would have provided Pakistan with what it asks, SPARE PARTS for existing aircrafts!
 

Indus

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Londo Molari said:
http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2118

Oh look, U.S. Is offering ToT of F-16 to India... when they dont even SELL it to us...

We BOTH conducted nuclear tests... in fact India did theirs first! And you say they support and need Pakistan, lol.

Yeah buddy, there is a big differnce b/w offering something and actually getting it.


Pakistan scoops $3bn in debt relief
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2211288.stm

Pakistan to get $1bn debt relief
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2917903.stm

Bush names Pakistan 'major ally'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3814013.stm
 

mysterious

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Inducting F-16s for India is like US trying to induct (Russian) Su-30s!! The whole process would be needed to be started from scratch and its not a practical thing to do when your opponent already has decades of experience using that platform with obviously sound edge over you. ;)
 

adsH

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lets stick to the Topic !!

India has rulled out F-16 and the US is not begging to sell-em any more!!
 

Londo Molari

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Yeah, India has refused THEM... not the other way around... pretty sad, and yet some of us still dream of U.S. equipment...sad indeed.

P.S. Like you said Indus... big different between OFFERING debt relief, and GETTING it. Big difference between being LABELLED a major ally, and actually HELPING the major ally with its security.
 

gf0012-aust

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Londo Molari said:
Yeah, India has refused THEM... not the other way around...
India was never going to consider US aircraft for the combat role. They are committed to Russia as a long term partner. It would have been a logistics nightmare, an integration nightmare and an operational nightmare.

The US offer was symbolic, only a lunatic in the SD would have thought that India would jeopardise 60+ years of relationship for a jet that would only complicate the force structure and mess up the existing battle and training doctrine.
 

danger dan

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Hi,

I pretty sure this war was in 1971, whose outcome was the creation of the nation state of Bangldesh, and as for the US not providing any assistance it is common knowledge that the Enterprise carrier group was sent to the Bay of Bengal to put pressure on the Indians.

The US needs Pakistan only to hunt for Bin Laden and nothing else they are also worried that if they remove any sort of support for Pakistan they feel that the Nuclear weapons might fall in the hands of the Jehadis.

I read in a book called "The Most Dangerous Man in the World" that after Sep 11, Indian and Israeli commandos were all ready to go in and take over all of Pakistans nuclear facilities and were only stopped on behest of the US.

As far as the F 16 goes it is now an older aircraft India should go ahead and try to acquire the JSF.
 

srirangan

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India are looking at the MCA and the Pak-FA fighters as their 5th gen alternatives. US had invited India in the JSF project, but we were already committed to the Pak-FA by then.
 
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