Indian Navy keen to buy newer generation aircraft
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s.raptorski
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US offers F-35 for Indian Navy
The US has offered to India yet another sophisticated defence system, this time its fifth generation F-35 Lightning-II fighter aircraft. The “possible sale” of this aircraft, which is still under development, was mentioned in the past “if the Indian Air Force (IAF) purchased the F 16 Super Viper for its Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) requirement.”
But according to a report in the coming issue of India Strategic defence magazine, Lockheed Martin, which manufactures these both aircraft, has now made a presentation without this condition to the Indian Navy for its carrier-borne aircraft requirements in about seven to eight years from now.
India Strategic quoted Orville Prins, Lockheed Martin’s vice president for business development, as saying that the presentation was made after a Request for Information (RFI) for newer generation of aircraft was received from the Indian Navy recently.
Prins pointed out though the company had been authorized by the US Department of Defense (DOD) to make the presentation, its sale could be done only after a bilateral agreement between Washington and New Delhi..
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US offers F-35 for Indian Navy « idrw.org
whats your take on this....???? comments awaited.....
The US has offered to India yet another sophisticated defence system, this time its fifth generation F-35 Lightning-II fighter aircraft. The “possible sale” of this aircraft, which is still under development, was mentioned in the past “if the Indian Air Force (IAF) purchased the F 16 Super Viper for its Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (M-MRCA) requirement.”
But according to a report in the coming issue of India Strategic defence magazine, Lockheed Martin, which manufactures these both aircraft, has now made a presentation without this condition to the Indian Navy for its carrier-borne aircraft requirements in about seven to eight years from now.
India Strategic quoted Orville Prins, Lockheed Martin’s vice president for business development, as saying that the presentation was made after a Request for Information (RFI) for newer generation of aircraft was received from the Indian Navy recently.
Prins pointed out though the company had been authorized by the US Department of Defense (DOD) to make the presentation, its sale could be done only after a bilateral agreement between Washington and New Delhi..
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US offers F-35 for Indian Navy « idrw.org
whats your take on this....???? comments awaited.....
Firstly, it is a misnomer that the USG "makes an offer". The USG does not "make offers" of weapons systems to any governments period. They must be formally "requested", in this case via an RFI.
Secondly, US companies must have a USG approved export license before briefing a specific system to another government. If the system is classified, then a classified briefing must be requested by the foreign government and approved by the USG.
Thirdly, since fighter aircraft are considered MDE (major defense equipment) by USG law, only the USG can act as the agent for any deals (Foreign Military Sales) which will be one of the DoD service branches that is responsible for the weapon systems' acquisition. The private contractors (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, GE, etc.) have major roles in this process, however these are indirect as the USG is the prime agent. US private companies can not offer MDE.
Lastly, you can count on the USG being there for any F-35 briefing by Lockheed Martin, which by the way does not obligate the USG to approve the final sale.
Any sale of the F-35 is not tied to any acquisition of the F-16. That is all hogwash started by the press. The truth is the F-35 could not compete since it did not fit into the MRCA acquisition timeline. This was the same situation that faced the F-16 in the Brazilian F-X2 program.
IMHO should the F-X2 and/or MRCA programs face extraordinary delays, the F-35 may prove a better fit for India and Brazil, costs notwithstanding.
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the road runner
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After more research,and a link, shows who are partner nations and at what level their participation is.(what was i thinking with a wiki link)
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
The US is the Primary Customer
The UK is a Tier 1 Customer
Italy and the Netherlands are Tier 2 Customers
Canada,Denmark,Norway,Turkey and Australia are Tier 3 Customers.
Regards
Totally useless without reference to which version of F-35 (versions are 60-75% different from each other)
India is on the verge of signing the contract for the additional 29 MiG-29K. The contract sum is currently thought to be 1.2 billion.
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The articles also, both mention that a new Gorshkov contract is to be signed, aroud 2.3 billion.
Finally they mention an additional tender for 16 carrier-based fighters, with a potential option for expanding the order to 40. I think this additional tender is related to the RFI's issued. Given India history or long bureaucratic acquisition processes, this could be long term program to equip future carriers. Or an just-in-case setup incase the naval variant of the Tejas fails. It's also unclear who is competing in the tender.
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The articles also, both mention that a new Gorshkov contract is to be signed, aroud 2.3 billion.
Finally they mention an additional tender for 16 carrier-based fighters, with a potential option for expanding the order to 40. I think this additional tender is related to the RFI's issued. Given India history or long bureaucratic acquisition processes, this could be long term program to equip future carriers. Or an just-in-case setup incase the naval variant of the Tejas fails. It's also unclear who is competing in the tender.
dragonfire
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The Tender for Naval fighters hasnt been issued yet. But when it will be issued though it will be for the future Aircraft Carriers. The IN has the most foresight than any of the Indian Armed forces (except in the case of subs). Only few of the aircraft manufacturers have confirmed the reciept of the RFI from IN. The IN is also backing the naval tejas having given an order for 6 fighters for Rs. 900 Cr (apprx 180 Million $) Looks like the Navy is not placing all eggs in its basket if you ask me.
dragonfire
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The IN has placed the order for additional Mig-29Ks
Total 45 Mig-29K for the IN, the delivery of the 16 aircraft earlier ordered has already started and the fighters from the new contract will start getting delivered from 2012 onwards
Fighter aircrafts for Indian Navy.
Good Day,
JSF ------ USA want to sell in big numbers to any Allies .
Cost of JSF is huge , to make it low they have to sell in really big numbers . To keep each A/C's price low , US must make JSF in large numbers and must sell to thoes whom they can trust. So that countries who are partners of JSF they can also afford to buy big numbers of JSF .
Trust me ONE day INDIA will buy JSF.
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Good Day,
JSF ------ USA want to sell in big numbers to any Allies .
Cost of JSF is huge , to make it low they have to sell in really big numbers . To keep each A/C's price low , US must make JSF in large numbers and must sell to thoes whom they can trust. So that countries who are partners of JSF they can also afford to buy big numbers of JSF .
Trust me ONE day INDIA will buy JSF.
One day India will be ABLE to buy JSF. Whether they will or not will be a big question.
JSF for India.
I said India will buy one day.
I am not talking about INDIA'S ABILITY to buy JSF .
126+64 MRCA aircrafts for IAF
200 in all aircrafts for Navy,
40 war ships in production in different shipyards
comming years 1000+ artillery will in procurement.
Much More to ......
Allthese at a time . INDIA is going to buy .
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I said India will buy one day.
I am not talking about INDIA'S ABILITY to buy JSF .
126+64 MRCA aircrafts for IAF
200 in all aircrafts for Navy,
40 war ships in production in different shipyards
comming years 1000+ artillery will in procurement.
Much More to ......
Allthese at a time . INDIA is going to buy .
Lets not forget the FGFA and the and the Tejas.
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Good Day ,
Good question .
May be yes . OR May be no for Tech .
But still India can go and will for JSF with or without Tech .
Time will say .
Indian Navy will go for it .
They will need it after 2020 .
If India become partner for it , or India buy in really good number than only this question will come .
I think if Navy go for just 30 -40 aircrafts only .
Then there is no question about TOT because of little numbers of order for project like JSF .
Twinblade
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No, even the partner nations are not getting that. Hence the AMCA project, it will be more like a silent fulcrum for indian airforce and navy. Expect the future aircraft carriers entering service around 2025 to have AMCA as the main aircraft.
let me reword the question then, will the partner nations want India to get the same level of tech that they have?
I know what you said. I see no evidence in support of your claim. No argument of any kind. Simply a blanket statement.
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Sir, Is there any evidence in support with you ----- that India will not get JSF if they want or will not go for JSF.
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Have a look -
1)Defense Update, January -28- 2011 .
2)Australianaviation.com.au-----Thursday-July-1-2010 and Tuesday- April-26-2011
3) India Strategic , article by Gulshan R Luthra, Jan-2010.
I didn't say they wouldn't I said it was an open question
Is there a way to access your Australianaviation.com.au source without subscribing? I haven't been able to.
The Defense Update source simply states what I have stated, that India will be able to, will have the option to, purchase the F-35. It does not say that India will do so. A request for information does not amount to an intent to buy.
I quote your own source India Strategic: "Whether India joins the production programme or not is an open question". http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories462.htm