Indian Navy keen to buy newer generation aircraft

Feanor

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So no confirmation of a contract. I.e. these plans are theoretical for the time being. The contract will be after 2011, since up to 2011 the budget has already been made.
 

T.C.P

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You are probably right. Any ways Iread a report on Ria Novosti some time ago that the Russian navy wont be replacing the Su-33 before 2015. By that time the navy could order a navalized version of the Sukhoi T-50
 

kay_man

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You are probably right. Any ways Iread a report on Ria Novosti some time ago that the Russian navy wont be replacing the Su-33 before 2015. By that time the navy could order a navalized version of the Sukhoi T-50
2015 would be an impossible timeline for even the prototype of the naval version of the T-50.
the Mig-29 is only option.
 

Feanor

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2015 is the alleged induction date for the basic PAK-FA. If everything goes as planned. It also appears that there will be no light 5th gen. fighter. The LFI requirement will be fullfilled by the MiG-35. In that context the MiG-29K is the logical choice for a carrier fighter. And the past 2015 induction date makes me wonder whether they plan to overhaul, or modernize, the Kuznetsov in the meanwhile.
 

Spetsznaz

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The chance on the IAF acquiring the F-35 is not very soon.

Not only that Russia and India are working on a collaborative project= HAL FGFA of a 5th G fighter
 

exported_kiwi

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If India decides to go West and order latest generation F35's over Russian Migs they had better get their cheque books ready, same goes for US EMALS. We a talking about big ticket items and a switch in technology. Not just airframe related issues but the entire ground support and supply chain system will need to be transformed, not forgetting a substantial shift in the strategic relationship between the two countries. The US for one will need India to prove that any tech relating to the F35 is not going to head West into Russian hands.

Also the US needs to keep one eye on its relationship with Pakistan and another on its growing relationship with China (which still has a border dispute with India).

It would make more sense for India to opt for Rafi, much less political baggage and they will end up with a very credible fighter scheduled to be around longer than the Super Hornet.
I agree. This is going to depend more on US policy towards India as well as affordability for the Indian navy. It was pointed out in another post that I highly doubt the US will want Russian technicians "lurking" about those NAS where possible F35B/Cs will be based.
As for the US relationship vis a vis India/Pakistan, yes, this is a very tricky one and I wonder how they're going to manage it.
 

T.C.P

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I seriously doubt India is going to go for the F-35. For one the IAF has spent a lot of money on different projects already and the F-35s cost is going uphill. Also India is developing a 5TH gen fighter with Russia. Pakistan is another factor, the Pakistanis wont be happy if the US gives India a 5th gen air craft and there is also the China factor. One should take note too that the F-35 is absolutely unproven and the Us has not even offered it to India yet
 

Feanor

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The US hasn't really offered it to anyone. Because currently the original nations have orders of around 4000 to produce, before it can hit the export market.
 

Spetsznaz

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Feanor is right, when the F-35 begins exporting were looking around 2015

Could be wrong that's just a wild guess.

HAL FGFA. Both Russia and India are collaborating on it, so India wanting the F-35 is not likely
Plus Pakistan will be VERY UNHAPPY and America will lose Political Favor there
 

the road runner

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Feanor is right, when the F-35 begins exporting were looking around 2015

Could be wrong that's just a wild guess.
I am under the impression that 2015 time frame will be for Partner nations.
For export customers the date could be 2020 and beyond.....

Just my 2c

Regards
 

the road runner

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Okay this may seem really stupid, but what do you mean "partner nations"
The partner nations involved in the JSF ...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

The US and UK are Tier 1 partners
The Netherlands,Italy, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Turkey, and Australia are Tier 2 partners
And i think Singapore and Israel are Tier 3 Partners???


These Nations will receive there aircraft,before export customers.

Regards
 

dragonfire

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Does anyone know if India plans to purchase FUTURE 5G fighters from perhaps China? I have some sources but... yeye
India has some military cooperation with China, like joint operations and training which is recent and very primary. However India hasnt procured any defense equipment from China with whom a war was fought in '62. Besides which China and Pakistan have a good defense partnership, which basicaly means that it is highly unlikely that India will procure any equipment fom China let alone 5th Gen Fighters. But hey if you have sources then am sure the forum members would be interested to commment on it if you post it here
 

T.C.P

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The partner nations involved in the JSF ...........

F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US and UK are Tier 1 partners
The Netherlands,Italy, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Turkey, and Australia are Tier 2 partners
And i think Singapore and Israel are Tier 3 Partners???


These Nations will receive there aircraft,before export customers.

Regards
The U.S.A is the primary customer, the U.K is the only tier one partner. Turkey and a couple of of the countries mentioned by you are Tier2 and Australia and some others with in your mentioned list are Tier 3. Israel and Singapore are just security partners
 

Spetsznaz

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The U.S.A is the primary customer, the U.K is the only tier one partner. Turkey and a couple of of the countries mentioned by you are Tier2 and Australia and some others with in your mentioned list are Tier 3. Israel and Singapore are just security partners
Wow. Wow. You are really confusing me now, what are "Security Partners":mad::mad::mad:
 

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exported_kiwi

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Does anyone know if India plans to purchase FUTURE 5G fighters from perhaps China? I have some sources but... yeye
I'd highly doubt it considering the problems the Thais have had with their Chinese built frigates.
It is apparent that China has a long way to go really and they have no, read it, NO experience in producing naval fighters....which is what this thread is all about.
 
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