Sorted! Excellent radars & FCS, & I'm pretty sure it'll work with Aster.Aren't they using Smart S Mk2 on some of their other ships? And the APAR/Smart L combo was proposed for the KDX-III?
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contedicavour
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Smart-L for sure, since our S 1850 is evolved from it.Sorted! Excellent radars & FCS, & I'm pretty sure it'll work with Aster.
Apar however I don't know because compatibility studies for Aster have only been run with Herakles, Arabel, EMPAR and Sampson.
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Grand Danois
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Oops! That's Smart-L, not Smart-S, of course. I can't either see any reason why Aster wouldn't work with at least APAR. Doesn't Aster need an update once every second?Sorted! Excellent radars & FCS, & I'm pretty sure it'll work with Aster.
should be able to, the question is what's the refresh rate of APAR? If it's once every two second, then Aster would be getting bad data 1 out of every 2 times.Oops! That's Smart-L, not Smart-S, of course. I can't either see any reason why Aster wouldn't work with at least APAR. Doesn't Aster need an update once every second?
Grand Danois
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The APARs "refresh" rate should be ok as it is using four big staring AESA arrays. This translates into an excellent radar time budget. I am thinking of rotation speed, which is 12 rpm for the Smart-L, and Smart-S mk2 has a rotation speed of 13.5 or 27 rpm depending on range.should be able to, the question is what's the refresh rate of APAR? If it's once every two second, then Aster would be getting bad data 1 out of every 2 times.
It would be needing a lot of proxy data for a 1 sec data refresh rate...
http://www.thales-naval.nl/naval/pdf/smart-l.pdf
http://www.thales-naval.nl/naval/pdf/smarts-mk2.pdf
yeah, if that's their rotation speed, then there is no way they can achieve the 1 sec data refresh rate. But then, these radars are just for searching of targets (not MFR like APAR), so that's more than enough.The APARs "refresh" rate should be ok as it is using four big staring AESA arrays. This translates into an excellent radar time budget. I am thinking of rotation speed, which is 12 rpm for the Smart-L, and Smart-S mk2 has a rotation speed of 13.5 or 27 rpm depending on range.
It would be needing a lot of proxy data for a 1 sec data refresh rate...
http://www.thales-naval.nl/naval/pdf/smart-l.pdf
http://www.thales-naval.nl/naval/pdf/smarts-mk2.pdf
Grand Danois
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Agreed. So these rotators look as if they aren't compatible with Asters on their own...yeah, if that's their rotation speed, then there is no way they can achieve the 1 sec data refresh rate. But then, these radars are just for searching of targets (not MFR like APAR), so that's more than enough.
contedicavour
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Besides, commercially I doubt the Franco-Italian consortium would like to offer Asters with a competitor's radar. AFAIK the highest margins are made from the radars and associated electronics, not from the missiles themselves.
What weakens the consortium behind Aster is that the French are pushing for Herakles while we are pushing for EMPAR.
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What weakens the consortium behind Aster is that the French are pushing for Herakles while we are pushing for EMPAR.
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hey guys ,check out these interesting article on the history and of the admiral gorshkov and the indian navy's plans for it in the future,also included is a detailed article about the capabilities of the the mig29k and the mig29kub and the indian involvement in the project.
here are the links and the article:
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070607/66864044.html
MOSCOW. (Viktor Litovkin for RIA Novosti) - In early May, an Indian naval delegation headed by Vice Admiral Birinder Singh Randhawa, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition at the Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defense (Navy), visited Severodvinsk, a major submarine construction centre in the Arkhangelsk Region, northern Russia. In spite of cold temperatures, piercing winds and snowfalls, the visit proved very fruitful. The delegation visited the local Northern Engineering Works (Sevmashpredpriatiye) and inspected the Mk 1143.4 Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, now being refitted under a bilateral contract. The aircraft carrier, due to be renamed the Vikramaditya after a famous Indian general, is expected to enter service with the Indian Navy in August 2008.
Vice Admiral Randhawa was very pleased with the visit's results and noted many changes in the warship's upper-deck structures and interior. Although the Admiral Gorshkov's modernisation is somewhat behind schedule, Mr. Randhawa said this extremely difficult project would face problems from time to time. But he said he saw that Sevmashpredpriatiye was doing its best to solve them in time.
What is the Admiral Gorshkov?
On December 26, 1978, the keel of the Mk 1143.4 Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier was laid at the Nikolayev shipyard in Ukraine. The 273-meter long warship displaces 48,500 tons, has a beam of 49 meters and a 10.2-meter draught. The Admiral Gorshkov, which can cruise along at 30.7 knots, has a 30-day sea endurance and a 1,610-man crew.
She entered service with the Soviet Navy in December 1987 and was assigned the task of guarding strategic missile submarines. For that purpose, the Admiral Gorshkov operated 14 Yakovlev Yak-141 Freestyle vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) fighters, eight Yak-38 Forger VTOL fighters, as well as 16 Kamov Ka-25 and Ka-252RLD Hormone and Ka-252PS Helix anti-submarine warfare (ASW), reconnaissance and search-and-rescue helicopters.
Moreover, the aircraft carrier, which supported warship formations and naval strategic bombers in combat areas, was supposed to attack enemy aircraft, warships and submarines. For this purpose the Admiral Gorshkov had 12 Bazalt anti-ship missile launchers, six ten-tube Udav-1 anti-submarine rocket mortars, four torpedo tubes, as well as four Klinok air-defense systems comprising 24 launchers, two 100-mm AK-100 guns and eight 30-mm AK-630 anti-aircraft guns.
However, it turned out that VTOL fighters did not correspond to specifications, carried small ordnance loads, had a short combat range and crashed rather often. The disintegration of the Soviet Union and subsequent financial shortages made it impossible to eliminate these drawbacks. These warplanes were scrapped, and the Admiral Gorshkov had to be berthed.
The warship could have suffered the same sorry fate as her sister ships, namely, the Kiev, the Minsk and the Novorossiisk, that also carried Yakovlev fighters, and which were eventually sold for scrap. However, the Indian Navy took an interest in the Admiral Gorshkov and therefore prevented her destruction.
Moscow and New Delhi negotiated the carrier modernization contract for many years. The Indian side insisted that Russia charge less for overhauling the Admiral Gorshkov. According to some rumors, the warship was sold to India as scrap metal, that is, for $150-$200 per tons. Moreover, New Delhi insisted that the Russian carrier be upgraded in order to accommodate horizontal take-off and landing fighters, and that its arsenal should include weapons popular with the Indian Navy. Moscow accepted all these proposals.
The $1.5 billion Gorshkov modernization contract was signed in 2004. The total overhaul expenses amounted to $600-700 million. The rest will be spent on deck fighters, equipment and weapons from third parties. The Nevskoye Design Bureau in St. Petersburg, which had developed the Admiral Gorshkov, submitted the modernization project. The warship is being overhauled at Sevmashpredpriyatiye in Severodvinsk.
All redundant artillery systems and missiles, including Bazalt launchers and AK-100 guns, will be removed during the project's initial stage. All other weapons, namely, Klinok air-defense systems, AK-630 anti-aircraft guns, and most radio-electronics and specialized equipment will also have to go.
Instead the Admiral Gorshkov is to receive new-generation air-defense systems, whose specifications are not known yet. The initial modernization stage will end after obsolete machinery is replaced with up-to-date equivalents. After that, New Delhi will become the ship's legal owner.
During the second stage, India will list all the required weapons and equipment for the Vikramaditya. Her upper deck will be extended until the bow section, and a 14-degree 20-meter-wide ramp will be constructed there.
The 280-meter flight deck will have a 198-meter runway for operating Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29-K Fulcrum supersonic fighters chosen by India.
The 24-meter-wide runway will feature three arrester wires, and there will also be a 130 by 23 by 5.7-meter hangar below the deck. The hangar will have a 30-ton 18.91 by 9.96-meter lift located amidships left of the island superstructure and a 20-ton 18.91 by 8.65-meter lift behind the superstructure and in front of the arrester wires. The top-deck aircraft parking area will measure 2,400 square meters. The Vikramaditya will therefore become one of the best aircraft carriers in her class.
Viktor Litovkin, deputy editor in chief, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, a weekly supplement to Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The continuation of the article will be posted soon.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
here are the links and the article:
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070607/66864044.html
MOSCOW. (Viktor Litovkin for RIA Novosti) - In early May, an Indian naval delegation headed by Vice Admiral Birinder Singh Randhawa, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition at the Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defense (Navy), visited Severodvinsk, a major submarine construction centre in the Arkhangelsk Region, northern Russia. In spite of cold temperatures, piercing winds and snowfalls, the visit proved very fruitful. The delegation visited the local Northern Engineering Works (Sevmashpredpriatiye) and inspected the Mk 1143.4 Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, now being refitted under a bilateral contract. The aircraft carrier, due to be renamed the Vikramaditya after a famous Indian general, is expected to enter service with the Indian Navy in August 2008.
Vice Admiral Randhawa was very pleased with the visit's results and noted many changes in the warship's upper-deck structures and interior. Although the Admiral Gorshkov's modernisation is somewhat behind schedule, Mr. Randhawa said this extremely difficult project would face problems from time to time. But he said he saw that Sevmashpredpriatiye was doing its best to solve them in time.
What is the Admiral Gorshkov?
On December 26, 1978, the keel of the Mk 1143.4 Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier was laid at the Nikolayev shipyard in Ukraine. The 273-meter long warship displaces 48,500 tons, has a beam of 49 meters and a 10.2-meter draught. The Admiral Gorshkov, which can cruise along at 30.7 knots, has a 30-day sea endurance and a 1,610-man crew.
She entered service with the Soviet Navy in December 1987 and was assigned the task of guarding strategic missile submarines. For that purpose, the Admiral Gorshkov operated 14 Yakovlev Yak-141 Freestyle vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) fighters, eight Yak-38 Forger VTOL fighters, as well as 16 Kamov Ka-25 and Ka-252RLD Hormone and Ka-252PS Helix anti-submarine warfare (ASW), reconnaissance and search-and-rescue helicopters.
Moreover, the aircraft carrier, which supported warship formations and naval strategic bombers in combat areas, was supposed to attack enemy aircraft, warships and submarines. For this purpose the Admiral Gorshkov had 12 Bazalt anti-ship missile launchers, six ten-tube Udav-1 anti-submarine rocket mortars, four torpedo tubes, as well as four Klinok air-defense systems comprising 24 launchers, two 100-mm AK-100 guns and eight 30-mm AK-630 anti-aircraft guns.
However, it turned out that VTOL fighters did not correspond to specifications, carried small ordnance loads, had a short combat range and crashed rather often. The disintegration of the Soviet Union and subsequent financial shortages made it impossible to eliminate these drawbacks. These warplanes were scrapped, and the Admiral Gorshkov had to be berthed.
The warship could have suffered the same sorry fate as her sister ships, namely, the Kiev, the Minsk and the Novorossiisk, that also carried Yakovlev fighters, and which were eventually sold for scrap. However, the Indian Navy took an interest in the Admiral Gorshkov and therefore prevented her destruction.
Moscow and New Delhi negotiated the carrier modernization contract for many years. The Indian side insisted that Russia charge less for overhauling the Admiral Gorshkov. According to some rumors, the warship was sold to India as scrap metal, that is, for $150-$200 per tons. Moreover, New Delhi insisted that the Russian carrier be upgraded in order to accommodate horizontal take-off and landing fighters, and that its arsenal should include weapons popular with the Indian Navy. Moscow accepted all these proposals.
The $1.5 billion Gorshkov modernization contract was signed in 2004. The total overhaul expenses amounted to $600-700 million. The rest will be spent on deck fighters, equipment and weapons from third parties. The Nevskoye Design Bureau in St. Petersburg, which had developed the Admiral Gorshkov, submitted the modernization project. The warship is being overhauled at Sevmashpredpriyatiye in Severodvinsk.
All redundant artillery systems and missiles, including Bazalt launchers and AK-100 guns, will be removed during the project's initial stage. All other weapons, namely, Klinok air-defense systems, AK-630 anti-aircraft guns, and most radio-electronics and specialized equipment will also have to go.
Instead the Admiral Gorshkov is to receive new-generation air-defense systems, whose specifications are not known yet. The initial modernization stage will end after obsolete machinery is replaced with up-to-date equivalents. After that, New Delhi will become the ship's legal owner.
During the second stage, India will list all the required weapons and equipment for the Vikramaditya. Her upper deck will be extended until the bow section, and a 14-degree 20-meter-wide ramp will be constructed there.
The 280-meter flight deck will have a 198-meter runway for operating Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29-K Fulcrum supersonic fighters chosen by India.
The 24-meter-wide runway will feature three arrester wires, and there will also be a 130 by 23 by 5.7-meter hangar below the deck. The hangar will have a 30-ton 18.91 by 9.96-meter lift located amidships left of the island superstructure and a 20-ton 18.91 by 8.65-meter lift behind the superstructure and in front of the arrester wires. The top-deck aircraft parking area will measure 2,400 square meters. The Vikramaditya will therefore become one of the best aircraft carriers in her class.
Viktor Litovkin, deputy editor in chief, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, a weekly supplement to Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The continuation of the article will be posted soon.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
hey guys here is the part two of the above article:
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070608/66897461.html
MOSCOW. (Viktor Litovkin for RIA Novosti) - In February 2007, Indian pilots and sailors were quite impressed to see the single-seat MiG-29K Fulcrum deck fighter and the two-seat MiG-29KUB deck trainer/combat plane at an airfield in Zhukovsky near Moscow.
"We have known about the top-class MiG warplanes for a long time, but the MiG-29KUB that was developed by Russia and India is even better," said Commander Jasvinder Chauhan, India's Air Force Attache in Moscow.
This statement is no exaggeration because Indian experts had teamed up with designers and engineers of Russia's MiG Aircraft Corporation to develop the MiG-29KUB. They listed all the required specifications, which were embodied in the warplane.
In some cases, Indian specifications may have seemed exorbitant because they exceeded the best achievements of the global aircraft industry. However, MiG complied with the requests of its clients. The Indian side helped to integrate foreign electronics into the plane's avionics, to develop simulators and to choose the required weaponry.
Nikolai Buntin, chief designer of the MiG-29KUB project for India, said the Russian Air Force and Navy lack such good planes. The MiG-29-KUB's radio-electronic system features the French-made Thales TopSight helmet-borne sighting device and the Sagem Sigma-95 laser-gyroscope inertial navigation system. Thales TopSight is, in fact, a shock-resistant helmet that will protect the pilot if a bird shatters the cockpit canopy. Its sighting device is activated by a movement of the head. The fighter's unique open-architecture and modular-system avionics will not become obsolete in the next ten to 15 years. Only separate components of the MiG-29KUB's radio-electronic system will have to be replaced if the need arises.
This radio-electronic system is an upgraded version of the one installed on the MiG-29SMT fighter, also serving with the Indian Air Force. It retains the MIL-1553B-type bus, to which the plane's electronics are attached, and four-channel multiplex settings. Nikolai Buntin said the MiG-29K has a more sophisticated multiplex bus than other Russian planes being sold elsewhere. He said the MiG-29KUB's vital systems feature fiber optic communications channels.
Fiber channels and fiber optic lines expedite data-exchange speeds 100 times over and enable the pilot to outmaneuver and outgun the enemy. No MiG warplane has ever had any high-speed data-exchange channels before. All three multi-purpose MFI10-6 data screens in the MiG-29KUB's front and rear cockpits, the IKSH-1K heads-up display (HUD) and the Thales TopSight sighting device/target-acquisition system receive video information from the Fazotron-NIIR radar, the new-generation Zhuk-ME optronic radar, other sighting and radio-electronic warfare systems and the built-in digital terrain contour matching (TERCOM) map along fiber channels.
The wide-angle sighting and navigation system, developed by the Ramenskoye PKB avionics design bureau, features a revamped BCVM486-3M computer with a 486DX processor and a 90 MHz tact frequency, as well as indicators and consoles. The system, which is the main aircraft element, also integrates other systems in line with their software packages compiled by the main MiG-29KUB contractor and main-system suppliers. The Ramenskoye PKB is responsible for integrating the plane's radio-electronic system.
The IKSH-1K (Russian acronym for Wide-Format Collimator Ship Indicator) heads-up display has never been installed on Russian planes before. Previous export-oriented aircraft versions, namely, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the Su-30MKM Flanker, were fitted with Israeli and French E1OP and Thales systems. However, the brighter Russian HUDs display teletext data and allow the pilot to take aim through these systems round the clock, even against targets obscured by the glaring sun.
The warplane's RD-33MK engine, which was designed at the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Plant, a major national aircraft engine manufacturer, is made at the Chernyshov Machine-Building Plant in Moscow.
The first MiG-29KUB, shown to the Indian delegation, featured experimental RD-33MK engines that were delivered in December 2005. But the Klimov Plant has made considerable headway since then and increased the engine's total service life to 4,000 hours. Each engine is subject to overhaul after operating for 1,000 hours and develops 9,000 kilogram-force thrust in the afterburner mode.
Alexander Vatagin, general director of the Klimov Plant, told journalists that production engines would differ in terms of maximum thrust, smoke levels and radar visibility from those installed on the prototype plane. He said the engine would have brand-new hot section components, a new accessory box and a FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) system for greater dependability and failsafe operation.
Vatagin said the customer would receive aircraft with engines completely matching the request for proposal (RFP) and specific recommendations, and comments made during bench and flight tests.
The MiG-29-KUB will be fitted with standard missiles and probably the Russian-Indian BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile.
In all, the Indian Navy is to get 12 single-seat MiG-29K fighters and four two-seat MiG-29KUB planes and will also have the right to buy another 30 MiG-29-K/ MiG-29KUB warplanes. However, the latter would only be produced after 2010, if New Delhi confirms its order.
The Admiral Gorshkov/Vikramaditya contract is behind schedule due to numerous reasons. It took a lot of time and effort to choose the required weapons, to eliminate ship defects and to finance specific operations. Energy resources, materials, components and spare parts have become more expensive since the contract was signed in 2004, the cost of labor in Russia has also grown.
Moscow would like New Delhi to provide additional funding because the loss-making Sevmashpredpriyatiye is having trouble fulfilling the contract. However, the Indian Navy is dissatisfied with that because it was agreed that budgetary allocations should not be exceeded. Although the Indian stand is clear, the cash-strapped Sevmashpredpriyatiye needs more money. They say that the aircraft carrier will only enter service with the Indian Navy in late 2010, instead of the initially planned late 2008.
However, sources in Severodvinsk said Indian admirals have reacted with understanding to all these problems, which hopefully will not affect bilateral relations.
In the meantime, the future Vikramaditya crew has been living in Severodvinsk on a rotation basis for over a year and learning to operate, service and repair the aircraft carrier and its sophisticated systems. In all, eight groups of Indian military personnel are expected to complete their four-month tours of duty at Sevmashpredpriyatiye. Indian sailors have come to Severodvinsk together with their families, who enjoy playing snowballs, making snowmen and organizing concerts that attract up to 5,000 spectators each. These concerts feature Indian songs and dances, comedy sketches and martial arts bouts; popular Russian melodies are also performed.
The people of Severodvinsk have come to love those friendly, kind-hearted and smiling Indian officers, their wives and children and are proud to have a "little New Delhi" and a "little Mumbai" in their city.
Although it is deplorable that the Indian Navy will not receive its new aircraft carrier as scheduled, the time spent by Indian officers and their families in northern Russia will help them get to know and love this cold but infinitely beautiful region and the Russian people - as open-hearted and sincere as the Indians.
Viktor Litovkin, deputy editor in chief, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, a weekly supplement to Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070608/66897461.html
MOSCOW. (Viktor Litovkin for RIA Novosti) - In February 2007, Indian pilots and sailors were quite impressed to see the single-seat MiG-29K Fulcrum deck fighter and the two-seat MiG-29KUB deck trainer/combat plane at an airfield in Zhukovsky near Moscow.
"We have known about the top-class MiG warplanes for a long time, but the MiG-29KUB that was developed by Russia and India is even better," said Commander Jasvinder Chauhan, India's Air Force Attache in Moscow.
This statement is no exaggeration because Indian experts had teamed up with designers and engineers of Russia's MiG Aircraft Corporation to develop the MiG-29KUB. They listed all the required specifications, which were embodied in the warplane.
In some cases, Indian specifications may have seemed exorbitant because they exceeded the best achievements of the global aircraft industry. However, MiG complied with the requests of its clients. The Indian side helped to integrate foreign electronics into the plane's avionics, to develop simulators and to choose the required weaponry.
Nikolai Buntin, chief designer of the MiG-29KUB project for India, said the Russian Air Force and Navy lack such good planes. The MiG-29-KUB's radio-electronic system features the French-made Thales TopSight helmet-borne sighting device and the Sagem Sigma-95 laser-gyroscope inertial navigation system. Thales TopSight is, in fact, a shock-resistant helmet that will protect the pilot if a bird shatters the cockpit canopy. Its sighting device is activated by a movement of the head. The fighter's unique open-architecture and modular-system avionics will not become obsolete in the next ten to 15 years. Only separate components of the MiG-29KUB's radio-electronic system will have to be replaced if the need arises.
This radio-electronic system is an upgraded version of the one installed on the MiG-29SMT fighter, also serving with the Indian Air Force. It retains the MIL-1553B-type bus, to which the plane's electronics are attached, and four-channel multiplex settings. Nikolai Buntin said the MiG-29K has a more sophisticated multiplex bus than other Russian planes being sold elsewhere. He said the MiG-29KUB's vital systems feature fiber optic communications channels.
Fiber channels and fiber optic lines expedite data-exchange speeds 100 times over and enable the pilot to outmaneuver and outgun the enemy. No MiG warplane has ever had any high-speed data-exchange channels before. All three multi-purpose MFI10-6 data screens in the MiG-29KUB's front and rear cockpits, the IKSH-1K heads-up display (HUD) and the Thales TopSight sighting device/target-acquisition system receive video information from the Fazotron-NIIR radar, the new-generation Zhuk-ME optronic radar, other sighting and radio-electronic warfare systems and the built-in digital terrain contour matching (TERCOM) map along fiber channels.
The wide-angle sighting and navigation system, developed by the Ramenskoye PKB avionics design bureau, features a revamped BCVM486-3M computer with a 486DX processor and a 90 MHz tact frequency, as well as indicators and consoles. The system, which is the main aircraft element, also integrates other systems in line with their software packages compiled by the main MiG-29KUB contractor and main-system suppliers. The Ramenskoye PKB is responsible for integrating the plane's radio-electronic system.
The IKSH-1K (Russian acronym for Wide-Format Collimator Ship Indicator) heads-up display has never been installed on Russian planes before. Previous export-oriented aircraft versions, namely, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the Su-30MKM Flanker, were fitted with Israeli and French E1OP and Thales systems. However, the brighter Russian HUDs display teletext data and allow the pilot to take aim through these systems round the clock, even against targets obscured by the glaring sun.
The warplane's RD-33MK engine, which was designed at the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Plant, a major national aircraft engine manufacturer, is made at the Chernyshov Machine-Building Plant in Moscow.
The first MiG-29KUB, shown to the Indian delegation, featured experimental RD-33MK engines that were delivered in December 2005. But the Klimov Plant has made considerable headway since then and increased the engine's total service life to 4,000 hours. Each engine is subject to overhaul after operating for 1,000 hours and develops 9,000 kilogram-force thrust in the afterburner mode.
Alexander Vatagin, general director of the Klimov Plant, told journalists that production engines would differ in terms of maximum thrust, smoke levels and radar visibility from those installed on the prototype plane. He said the engine would have brand-new hot section components, a new accessory box and a FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) system for greater dependability and failsafe operation.
Vatagin said the customer would receive aircraft with engines completely matching the request for proposal (RFP) and specific recommendations, and comments made during bench and flight tests.
The MiG-29-KUB will be fitted with standard missiles and probably the Russian-Indian BrahMos anti-ship cruise missile.
In all, the Indian Navy is to get 12 single-seat MiG-29K fighters and four two-seat MiG-29KUB planes and will also have the right to buy another 30 MiG-29-K/ MiG-29KUB warplanes. However, the latter would only be produced after 2010, if New Delhi confirms its order.
The Admiral Gorshkov/Vikramaditya contract is behind schedule due to numerous reasons. It took a lot of time and effort to choose the required weapons, to eliminate ship defects and to finance specific operations. Energy resources, materials, components and spare parts have become more expensive since the contract was signed in 2004, the cost of labor in Russia has also grown.
Moscow would like New Delhi to provide additional funding because the loss-making Sevmashpredpriyatiye is having trouble fulfilling the contract. However, the Indian Navy is dissatisfied with that because it was agreed that budgetary allocations should not be exceeded. Although the Indian stand is clear, the cash-strapped Sevmashpredpriyatiye needs more money. They say that the aircraft carrier will only enter service with the Indian Navy in late 2010, instead of the initially planned late 2008.
However, sources in Severodvinsk said Indian admirals have reacted with understanding to all these problems, which hopefully will not affect bilateral relations.
In the meantime, the future Vikramaditya crew has been living in Severodvinsk on a rotation basis for over a year and learning to operate, service and repair the aircraft carrier and its sophisticated systems. In all, eight groups of Indian military personnel are expected to complete their four-month tours of duty at Sevmashpredpriyatiye. Indian sailors have come to Severodvinsk together with their families, who enjoy playing snowballs, making snowmen and organizing concerts that attract up to 5,000 spectators each. These concerts feature Indian songs and dances, comedy sketches and martial arts bouts; popular Russian melodies are also performed.
The people of Severodvinsk have come to love those friendly, kind-hearted and smiling Indian officers, their wives and children and are proud to have a "little New Delhi" and a "little Mumbai" in their city.
Although it is deplorable that the Indian Navy will not receive its new aircraft carrier as scheduled, the time spent by Indian officers and their families in northern Russia will help them get to know and love this cold but infinitely beautiful region and the Russian people - as open-hearted and sincere as the Indians.
Viktor Litovkin, deputy editor in chief, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, a weekly supplement to Nezavisimaya Gazeta.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
contedicavour
New Member
Jane's is reporting that DCN is abandoning plans to propose Marlin SSKs to Pakistan and is proposing Scorpene instead. The same Scorpene that they sold to India ... IMO this clears the way for HDW and their U214...
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hey guys,great news,according to the indian naval chief the aircraft carrier admiral gorshkov is to be inducted in the later part of this year,indian navy is also preparing a procurement policy for acquisition of upto 40 warships of various kinds from foreign vendors,due to capacity stagnation in the indian shipyards(they are reported to be currently manufacturing 33 warships for the navy and around 27 for the coast guard).
here check out this link and article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/..._year-end_Naval_Chief/articleshow/2111269.cms
DEHRADUN: Russian aircraft carrier 'Admiral Gorshkov' will be inducted into the Indian Navy later this year, naval chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said on Saturday.
"We are inducting Gorshkov by the later part of the next year," the Chief of Naval Staff told reporters after reviewing the passing out parade at the Indian Military Academy (IMA).
'Gorshkov' has a sea endurance of 30 days and a capacity to carry more than 2,000 sailors. India has bought the Russian carrier in 2004 after years of negotiations.
On enhancing maritime surveillance, Mehta said the Navy is finalising a proposal for the purchase of suitable equipments from abroad.
"Modernisation plans of the navy are on the right track. We have moved far ahead in our modernisation plans," he said.
He said the Navy is will be adding 40 more new ships in the near future.
"For this purpose, orders have already been placed for building 33 new ships in Indian yards while six ships are being purchased from abroad," he said. The Navy presently has 136 warships.
"The order-book of all the Indian yards is full," he said adding the budget allocation for the purchase of new ships has already been allocated.
Besides this, India would also be buying six submarines.
here check out this link and article:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/..._year-end_Naval_Chief/articleshow/2111269.cms
DEHRADUN: Russian aircraft carrier 'Admiral Gorshkov' will be inducted into the Indian Navy later this year, naval chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said on Saturday.
"We are inducting Gorshkov by the later part of the next year," the Chief of Naval Staff told reporters after reviewing the passing out parade at the Indian Military Academy (IMA).
'Gorshkov' has a sea endurance of 30 days and a capacity to carry more than 2,000 sailors. India has bought the Russian carrier in 2004 after years of negotiations.
On enhancing maritime surveillance, Mehta said the Navy is finalising a proposal for the purchase of suitable equipments from abroad.
"Modernisation plans of the navy are on the right track. We have moved far ahead in our modernisation plans," he said.
He said the Navy is will be adding 40 more new ships in the near future.
"For this purpose, orders have already been placed for building 33 new ships in Indian yards while six ships are being purchased from abroad," he said. The Navy presently has 136 warships.
"The order-book of all the Indian yards is full," he said adding the budget allocation for the purchase of new ships has already been allocated.
Besides this, India would also be buying six submarines.
indian navy scorpenes are likely to be considerable different to the baseline scorpenes currently being acquired ,indian navy plans to indigenous upgrade its scorpenes after the construction of the first 2,i wouldnt be surprised if the upgrades turn out to be inline with the spanish s80 class of submarines.Jane's is reporting that DCN is abandoning plans to propose Marlin SSKs to Pakistan and is proposing Scorpene instead. The same Scorpene that they sold to India ... IMO this clears the way for HDW and their U214...
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MBDA makes Aster, it doesn't make the radars, & would happily sell the missile with any radar it can get it integrated with. Aster is already integrated with S1850M, Sampson, Arabel, Empar, Herakles . . . IIRC Empar is made by Selex (Italy/UK), Arabel & Herakles by Thales, S1850M by Thales Nederland & BAe Insyte, Sampson by Insyte. Looks to me as if everyone & his dog in European radar makers already has a finger in the Aster pie. So what's the problem? We're not talking about competitors radars, we're talking about radars made by one of the existing radar suppliers, i.e. Thales - which is, right now, simultaneously selling radars packaged with US missiles. Packaging the same radars with Aster is going to hurt who? Depends on whether it replaces SM-2/ESSM sales or Empar sales, doesn't it?Besides, commercially I doubt the Franco-Italian consortium would like to offer Asters with a competitor's radar. AFAIK the highest margins are made from the radars and associated electronics, not from the missiles themselves.
What weakens the consortium behind Aster is that the French are pushing for Herakles while we are pushing for EMPAR.
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Aster 15 isn't long range.It is highly unlikely that IN is looking for Aster15 or 30 or anyother long range missiles.
In my opinion the IN is approaching the threshold of becoming a true Blue Water presence and not just a local, or even regional, player.indian navy scorpenes are likely to be considerable different to the baseline scorpenes currently being acquired ,indian navy plans to indigenous upgrade its scorpenes after the construction of the first 2,i wouldnt be surprised if the upgrades turn out to be inline with the spanish s80 class of submarines.
The real key to this opinion doesn't lie in the amount of ships the IN has, the type of ships, or even the type of systems. My real reason for expressing this analysis is "the sustained expenditure of capitol and national resources in building a Industrial/military complex capable of self sustaining a multi-layered strike navy." Of particular importance are their indigenous SSN, SSBN, and carrier programs. Think about it? America, France, England, Russia, China. All are not only on the UN security council, but they all have, or shortly will have, SSNs, SSBNs, Carriers, and the military/industrial complex to build them.
While they have had problems with their nuclear submarine programs the important thing is they have kept at it, despite the issues, and once those SSNs, or SSBNs, armed with nukes, become a reality then the IN will have become the most important arm of the Indian armed forces and will have become a tool of National policy with worldwide range.
SSNs, SSBNs, carriers = Blue water navy. The IN is real close.
I spend a lot of time in Google Earth keeping an eye on things and the Indian navy bases, and assets, Ive seen from space a pretty impressive. And I aint just talking ships and bases either, but boatyards, defense industries, and supporting infrustructure. This is a country that is taking the evolution of their navy very seriously.
The IN is a force to be reckoned with.
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