Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion

[contedicavour]

Interesting. Amur/Lada currently doesn't have AIP and the Russians haven't yet built anything with AIP. Hence the Rubin-Fincantieri partnership on S-1000. Though honestly if I were Indian I'd go for the one design that's built and (more or less) proven, ie U214. I'd just wait a couple of years to make sure the issues with the Greek U214 are solved.

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

russians have an air independent propulsion system known as the krystall ,and are also offering it with their type 636 kilo class of submarines.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,great news here,india coast guard is planning rapid and comprehensive expansion to step out of the indian navy's shadows.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1931258,0008.htm

The Coast Guard may be the youngest of the armed forces but it is inching closer towards establishing a formidable identity of its own.

And its efforts to step out of the "Navy's shadow" were backed by Defence Minister AK Antony, who said on Sunday that the Coast Guard would be provided more ships, aircraft, surveillance equipment and unmanned aerial vehicles to make it a reckonable force in the Indian Ocean Region. He said the extension of the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) after the delineation of the continental shelf would place additional responsibilities on the Coast Guard.

"It is mandated with the task of protecting 2.01 million square kms of India's EEZ. But in the new scenario, its responsibilities will extend beyond 3 million square kms," Antony said after reviewing a Coast Guard fleet to mark its 30th anniversary.

As part of a campaign to enhance its "deepwater capabilities", the Coast Guard has formulated its 15-year perspective plan for the acquisition of 15 new ships and 23 aircraft during 2007-2022. Antony assured that its requirements would be met.

The air assets sought by the Coast Guard, which operates Dorniers and Chetaks, include multi-mission maritime aircraft, twin-engine helicopters and UAVs for sharpening its surveillance capabilities.

Coast Guard Director General Vice Admiral Rusi Contractor said the force's responsibilities had increased manifold since its creation 30 years ago in terms of protecting India's maritime interests, marine wealth and ocean resources.

To effectively meet the challenges of its varied roles, the Coast Guard will be expanding its fleet in the near future with the induction of five fast patrol boats, two advanced offshore patrol vessels, three pollution control vessels, three inshore patrol vessels and 11 interceptor boats. It has commissioned new stations at Pondicherry, Beypore and Kakinada to bridge the surveillance gap along the Coromandel and Malabar coasts. These stations assume significance
in the light of oil and gas finds off Chennai and in the Krishna Godavari basin.

Antony emphasised that the Coast Guard needed bigger ships, more infrastructure and additional manpower keeping in view its diversified role. The force has also been appointed the focal agency in the country to combat piracy and armed robbery under the Regional Agreement on Combating Piracy and Armed Robbery against Ships in Asia — a pact signed by 16 countries.

Antony said the force, under a home ministry initiative, was also assisting several states to set up maritime police stations and train police personnel under the coastal guarantee scheme. The objective of the move is to ensure that small dinghies and craft cannot be used to land contraband to the Indian shores.

 

[contedicavour]

russians have an air independent propulsion system known as the krystall ,and are also offering it with their type 636 kilo class of submarines.

AFAIK the Krystall is still a proposal, with no operational submarines carrying it. I wonder how much this factor could influence the selection process by the Indian navy. IIRC India was very upset by battery problems in the Kilos it received from Russia (although at the end the issue was fixed).

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

here check out this link ,it contains an interesting history of the krystal air independent propulsion system.

here check out this link :

http://milparade.udm.ru/29/022.htm

 

[contedicavour]

here check out this link ,it contains an interesting history of the krystal air independent propulsion system.

here check out this link :

http://milparade.udm.ru/29/022.htm

Thks interesting reading.
Though you noticed the article is from 1998 and since then the near total absence of details on the evolution of Russian AIPs makes me doubtful their shipbuilding industry can be competitive vs U212 and Scorpene/Marlin when the need for a performing AIP is clearly stated.
The Russians have SSNs and SSGNs for offensive missions and can rely on good old coastal SSKs without AIP for purely defensive missions close to bases.
Anyway, let's keep our eyes open

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,great news here,indian navy has validated its new war doctrine during the reently conducted tropex.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.indiaenews.com/india/20070226/41056.htm

Utilising some of its newly inducted assets like unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), airborne early warning helicopters and cutting edge missiles, the Indian Navy has validated its new warfare doctrine during an exercise conducted off the country's west coast.
The just-concluded TROPEX (Theatre-level Readiness Operational Exercises) 2007, the navy's largest annual exercise, commenced on Jan 30 and saw the participation of all the force's major combatants, as also significant elements from the Indian Army, the Indian Air Force, and the Indian Coast
Guard.
'The thrust of this year's edition was to validate the concept of 'Maritime Manoeuvre from the Sea' that is designed to ensure that in a short, swift and intense conflict, the navy is able to directly address and favourably influence the progress and outcome of the air-land battle,' a navy spokesman said Monday.
Toward this end, the recently acquired Israeli UAVs, Kamov-31 AEW helicopters, and state-of-the-art surface-to-air missile-systems like the Barak, Shtil, and Kashmir, as also land-attack missiles, 'all of which represent major accretions in the navy's capabilities', were also deployed, he added.
Several new operational concepts that had earlier been 'war gamed' as part of a series of tabletop exercises were played out at sea and valuable lessons learnt.
'These lessons will now be fed back into the navy's analysis organisations and will, thereafter, be utilised to refine operational doctrines,' the spokesman said.
Principal among these concepts were those relating to 'jointmanship' that seeks to enhance the efficacy of operations planned and executed jointly by operational commanders of the four services.
'Significantly higher levels of coordination were achieved during TROPEX-2007', which was also witnessed by senior representatives from the defence and shipping ministries, the spokesman said.
'Overall, the exercise provided tremendous training value through the testing of human and material endurance, the execution of organisational and logistics plans, and, finally, delivering the punch in a mock battle.
'Activities such as the activation of the country's coastal defence organisation, naval control of merchant shipping, and the chartering of merchant ships to augment the logistics train at sea were also comprehensively exercised to assess the effectiveness of the navy's plans,' the spokesman said.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,great news here ,indian coast guard is to acquire deep water capabilities.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jni/jni070301_1_n.shtml

The Indian Coast Guard is to augment its deepwater capabilities with a range of new ships and aircraft by 2022, to render it a "reckonable" force in the Indian Ocean region, according to defence minister A K Antony.

The Indian Coast Guard has 27 ships, including five fast patrol vessels, two advanced offshore patrol vessels, three pollution control vessels and 11 interceptor boats, under construction in yards across the country. This is aside from the assets envisaged in the 15-year perspective plan as part of the force's overall aim of stepping out of the Indian Navy's shadow.

Beginning in 1977 with two frigates and five patrol boats leased from the Indian Navy, the Indian Coast Guard currently operates 76 ships and 45 aircraft.

 

[Turk]

India bought Talwar class Frigates do you know how this ships dangerous ?

 

[tatra]

India bought Talwar class Frigates do you know how this ships dangerous ?

IMHO not any more or less dangerous than any other (heavy) frigate. It's a good all round assets.

 

[aaaditya]

the talwar class were the first stealth vessels of the indian navy,their unique feature was their high weapon load and multi role capability for a relatively smaller displacement,indian navy has been very impressed by their performance and has now placed a follow up order worth 1.2 billion dollars for three additional and improved project 1135.6 krivack (improved talwar) class of frigates to be built by the russian yantar shipyard,these frigates would be carrying more sadvanced surface to air weaponery ,the more advanced radars and the brahmos cruise missiles instead of the klub.

 

[tphuang]

the talwar class were the first stealth vessels of the indian navy,their unique feature was their high weapon load and multi role capability for a relatively smaller displacement,indian navy has been very impressed by their performance and has now placed a follow up order worth 1.2 billion dollars for three additional and improved project 1135.6 krivack (improved talwar) class of frigates to be built by the russian yantar shipyard,these frigates would be carrying more sadvanced surface to air weaponery ,the more advanced radars and the brahmos cruise missiles instead of the klub.

have you taken a serious look at talwar? How can you possibly call that thing a stealth ship? The only thing it's more stealthy than is the Sov.

 

[aaaditya]

have you taken a serious look at talwar? How can you possibly call that thing a stealth ship? The only thing it's more stealthy than is the Sov.

i meant compared to the other indian naval ships,besides stealth is not just a design factor and also the fact is that the indian navy is realy happy by the performance and capabilities of these vessels.

 

[suryaaa]

Guys any update on our ADS which is currently under construction somewhere kochi.Will there be any other project followed by this ADS.
Which one is better scorpion or amur(which we will be buying in the second phase of project 75).If your answer is amur ,then why did we opt scorpions
in phase one?????.

 

[contedicavour]

Which one is better scorpion or amur(which we will be buying in the second phase of project 75).If your answer is amur ,then why did we opt scorpions
in phase one?????.

Well apparently the Indian Navy doesn't want to rely on only one supplier of submarine technology ...
Amur technically doesn't exist yet (unless you consider the Lada/St Petersburg as being almost identical to Amur...) so comparing it to Scorpene is a bit tough. Scorpene does have one huge advantage though : functioning AIP...

cheers

 

[kams]

Defensenews is reporting that India and Russia have agreed on a 5 year $350 million lease of two Akula II submarines. The agreement was reportedly signed during President Putins India visit. These Akula II will be armed with Club missiles (version not specified). A group of Indian sailors have been training for the last 2 years at Sosnovy Bor. First of the boats will be delivered to Vishakapattanam Naval base next year.

Link

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,great news here,ins hansa will be the base for the mig29k's once they are inducted later this year and will also base all the indian navy's ship based helicopters.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEK20070310000957

KARWAR: INS Hansa, the premier
Saturday March 10 2007 10:31 IST
KARWAR: INS Hansa, the premier air station of the Indian Navy and also the pride of Goa Naval Area, is poised to scale new heights with the induction of MiG-29K fighter aircraft into the Navy 2007, according to the sources in the Navy.

The Naval version of this aircraft will be the air arm of the new aircrfat carrier, INS Vikramaditya, which the Navy will acquire from Russia shortly.

In fact INS Vikramaditya is the rechristened name of Admiral Gorshkov, the Russian carrier. Mig-29K, which provides air defence to the fleet, flies at maximum speed of 2,400 km an hour. It has air combat radius of 850 km. It has data link through satellite.

According to sources already the first batch of Navy pilots is in Russia for training.

Sagar Pawan Aerobatic team

The sources said the Navy had unique distinction having an aerobatics team, Sagar Pawan, which could captivate the audience with its aerobatic manoeuvres such as loops, barrel rolls, upward rolls and high speed runs.

Incidentally India is the only country other than US to boast of having such a team. This team had been performing during all important national events, sources said. It would demonostrate its skill on the banks of Hugli in Kolkata on March 24.

Another interesting feature is that Indian Navy is the only Naval Force in the world to possess Kamov-31, the helicopter, which performs air surveillances. The sources said Karwar Naval Base would be a home for the naval helicopters based on the ships in future. They clarified that it was only airstrip and not the airfield that would be built near Karwar.

There were topographical constraints at Karwar to build airfield, they added.

Land for airport

The sources said that 8.77 acres of Naval land in the Goa Naval Area would be handed over to Airport Authority of India for the expansion of International Airport at Dabolim shortly.

 

[contedicavour]

Defensenews is reporting that India and Russia have agreed on a 5 year $350 million lease of two Akula II submarines. The agreement was reportedly signed during President Putins India visit. These Akula II will be armed with Club missiles (version not specified). A group of Indian sailors have been training for the last 2 years at Sosnovy Bor. First of the boats will be delivered to Vishakapattanam Naval base next year.

Link

Wow this is a huge step ahead for India's navy ! Last time a lease took place it was for a humble Golf class SSG ... I'm curious to see whether India's future SSNs will be basically evolved Akulas with Indian cruise missiles.

cheers

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,great news here ,india is developing the sittwe port in myanmar which is located about 160kms from the indian province of mizoram as its prime port to cater to the needs of the north eastern india,i believe this port will give india some strategic advantages with respect to counter chinese influence in the region.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/25419.html

Come 2009, and India will no longer have to worry about not being allowed river transit between the North-East and the rest of the country through Bangladesh. Sittwe, a port in Myanmar, being developed with India’s support, will provide sea link to the North-East through Kaladan, a river in Mizoram.

Union Minister for Development of Northeastern Region Mani Shankar Aiyar said Bangladesh’s refusal to permit transit facilities to India and its turning down repeated requests to use the Chittagong port for North-East will be history. “The focus is now on developing Kaladan and by the time the Sittwe port is ready, Kaladan will also become fully navigable,” Aiyar said.
Bangladesh has turned down several requests by India to allow river transport transit from the North-East to the sea, compelling India to explore Sittwe in Myanmar— 160 km from Mizoram—situated at the mouth of the Kaladan river. While work has already begun in Sittwe, the crucial three-day meeting of the North-Eastern Council, which ended here on Sunday, focused on speedy development of the river so that North-East gets its sea outlet as early as possible.

“The North-East cannot wait any longer. Once Sittwe is developed and Kaladan becomes fully navigable, we can forget about looking at Chittagong for a sea route,” Aiyar said.

 

[kams]

Wow this is a huge step ahead for India's navy ! Last time a lease took place it was for a humble Golf class SSG ... I'm curious to see whether India's future SSNs will be basically evolved Akulas with Indian cruise missiles.

cheers

Conte,
I have no idea about what the homegrown SSNs (ATV) will evolve from, but the same report also mentioned 2 hulls for Indigenous SSN have been ordered from Larsen and Toubro. The reactor was undergoing ground testing.

Interestingly, no Russian crew will be abroad the Akula, unlike the last time when India had leased Charlie class where reactor was manned by Russian crew.

Another interesting titbit mentioned in the report, these can not be used in joint exercises with any western navies.

There are also reports originating in Moscow that India has received delivery of 4 T-22s. No independent confirmation though.