Indian Army News and Discussion

[dronzer]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

ka 50/52:

Country of Origin Russia
Builder KAMOV
Role Antihelicopter and gunship
Similar Aircraft Hirundo A109, Mangusta A129, AH-64 Apache, AH-1F Cobra
Blades Main rotor: 6 (2 heads, 3 blades each) Tail rotor: None
Rotor diameter 14.5 meters
Wing span 7.34 meters
Length rotors turning: 16 meters
fuselage: 15.0 meters
Height gear extended: 4.93 meters
gear retracted: 4 meters
Cargo Compartment Dimensions Negligible
Engines 2x 2,200-shp Klimov TV3-117VK turboshaft
Weight Maximum Gross: 10,800 kg
Normal Takeoff: 9,800 kg
Empty: 7,692 kg
Standard Payload External weapons load: 2,500 kg on 4 under-wing stores points.
Speed Maximum (level): 340 km/h (est.)
Cruise: 270-310 km/h
Sideward: 100+ km/h, Rearward: 100+ km/h
Turn Rate unlimited
Max “G†Force +3 to +3.5 g
Ceiling Service: 5,500 meters
Hover (out of ground effect): 4,000 meters
Hover (in ground effect): 5,500 meters
Vertical Climb Rate 10 m/s
Fuel (liters) Internal: INA
External Fuel Tank: 500 ea. (max 4x)
Range (km) Maximum Load: INA
Normal Load: 460
With Aux Fuel: INA
Armament 1x 2A42 30-mm cannon [250 HE-Frag + 250 AP]
2 - AT-16 VIKhR ATGM (6 each)
2 - 80-mm rockets (20 each)
2 - Twin 23-mm gun pods [940 rounds]
4 - 500-kg bombs
2 - AA-11/ARCHER AAM
External fuel tanks (500 liters)

30-mm Automatic Cannon, 2A42:
Range: effective 3,000 m
Elevation: -45° to +10°
Traverse: ±15°
Ammo type and rate of fire is selectable by pilot (HE or AP, 350 or 600)

Most Probable Armament:
Fuselage-mounted 30-mm cannon on right side
80-mm rockets
AT-16 VIKhR ATGMs [ATGM racks can depress to 12°]

AVIONICS The HOKUM uses a low-light level TV or thermal sighting, a laser range-finder (10 km), FLIR, air data sensor, and digital data-link which interface with a fire control com-puter, an autopilot, a helmet sighting system and HUD for target location, acquisition, designation, and firing. Night/Weather Capabilities:
This aircraft’s avionics package ensuring a full day/night, all weather capability. If it is to be employed at night in an attack role, it must be fitted with a night targeting pod. This pod includes a FLIR, a millimeter wave radar, and an electro-optical sight takes up one of the underwing pylons. The Ka-50N, and Ka-52 are capable of performing attack missions in day/night, and all-weather conditions.
The French companies Thomson-CSF, and Sextant Avionique offer nav/attack systems, which can be fitted to export variants.

Survivability/Countermeasures Main rotors and engines electrically deiced.
Infrared signature suppressors can be mounted on engine exhausts.
Radar warning receivers, IFF, chaff and flares.
Armored cockpit and self-sealing fuel tanks.
Pilot ejection system.

Crew 1 (pilots, 2 in Ka-52)
Cost
User Countries Preproduction in Russia. An initial fielding plan is for 2 per year for 14 years.

 

[dronzer]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

havoc:

Country of Origin Russia
Builder MIL
Role Attack
Similar Aircraft Mangusta A129, AH-64 Apache, AH-1F Cobra
Rotor diameter 56 ft (17.04 m)
Length 57 ft (17.4 m)
Armament AAMs, antitank missiles, cannon, rockets
Crew Two

 

[d_berwal]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

I came to know about pak al-talah armoured personal vehicle,do we have any
apv ap-art from bmp2.

bmp2 vs al-talah ,which one will be better.

Is bmp2 an indigenous.

APC Talha

APC Talha has been designed and manufactured by APC Factory Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT). There is a flexibility in the design that the Engine compartment can accommodate power pack with 275 HP Detroit Diesel 6V53T turbocharged engine or 330 HP UTD-20, a Ukrainian engine. TALHA is an all terrain, amphibious infantry support vehicle with 12.7 mm machine gun as its main armament. Adequate crew compartment space provides excellent crew comfort. Survivability is enhanced through use of external fuel tanks. Various forms of bolt-on armour can be added to increase armour protection of the vehicle.

SPECIFICATIONS

General
Length 218.5 inches
Width 100 inches
Height 99.25 inches
Combat Weight 12.5 Ton
Weight, curb 10.6 Ton
Personnel Capacity 13
Fuel Tank Capacity 390 lit
Amphibious Condition Yes, free board - 18 inches
Cruising Range 320 miles
Nominal Ground Pressure 7.79 psi
Number of Shoes 67 left side, 68 right side
Powerpack (Two Options)
Option 1 - Detroit Diesel 6V53T
Type Two Stroke Cycle
Fuel Diesel
Rated Power 275 HP
Power to Weight Ratio 22 HP/Ton
Transmission
Make & Model Allison TX 100-1A
Type Automatic, 3 Speed
Steering Differential or Pivot Brake
Pivot Brake Type Disc
Option 1 - UTD-20
Type Four Stroke Cycle
Fuel Diesel
Rated Power 330 HP
Power to Weight Ratio 25 HP/Ton
Transmission
Make & Model Hydro Mechanical
Type Mechanical, 6 F, 1 R
Steering Planetary
Pivot Brake Type Disc
Optional
Firing Ports Available
Periscope for Crew Available

BMP-2 IFV

Crew: 3 + 7 soldiers.

Combat Weight: 12,800 kg.

Ground Pressure: 0.64 kg/cm2.

Engine: 6-cylinder in-line water cooled diesel developing 300 bhp.

Fuel Capacity: 462 litres.

Maximum Speed: 65 km/h on land and 7 km/h on water.

Maximum Range: 550 - 600 km.

Transmission: Manual, 5 forward and 1 reverse.

Suspension: Torsion bar, hydraulic shock absorbers on 1st, 2nd and 6th road wheels.

Clutch: Multiplate dry constant engagement.

Electrical System: 22-29V.

Gradient: 60%.

Slide Slope: 30%.

Vertical Obstacle: 0.7 metres.

Trench Crossing: 2.5 metres.

Armament: 1 x 30mm 2A42 automatic cannon with 1000 rounds.
...............1 x 7.62mm PKT machine gun with 2000 rounds. (Co-Axial)
...............1 launcher rail for the AT-5 Spandrel or AT-4 Spigot ATGW.

Gun Elevation/Depression: +75º/-5º.

Smoke Launching Equipment: Six 81mm smoke grenade discharges, with diesel fuel injected into the exhaust.

Indigenous variants produced: Mortar Carrier
.........................................Field Ambulance
.........................................Akash SAM carrier
.........................................Engineer Recovery Vehicle
.........................................Armoured Amphibious Dozer
.........................................Trishul (SAM) Combat Vehicle
.........................................NAMICA (NAg MIssile CArrier)
.........................................105mm Self Propelled Gun carrier
.........................................Armoured Vehicle Tracked Light Repair
*The above vehicles are in various stages of development and not all are used in the Army.

Comments: Known as the Sarath (Chariot of Victory) in the Army. Production continues at 100 per year and 900+ are in active service. BMP stands for Bronevaya Maschina Piekhota. On 20 February 2002, the Simulator Development Division (SDD), Secunderabad launched the first indigenously-developed Aiming Training Simulator for the personnel who man the BMP-II ICV. The simulator is designed & developed to impart comprehensive training in the areas of acquisition and engagement of all kinds of targets including aerial ones to improve their responses and aiming skills. The simulator is expected to usher in an era of safe, realistic and cost effective training. SDD is a premier Category 'A' establishment of the Indian Army, for in-house development of training simulators. SDD has a number of other simulators to its credit which are already in service. The small yet significant organisation continues to grow and excel in the field of simulation and modelling towards evolution of world class training simulators for the Indian Army.

 

[aaaditya]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

india is currently developing one known as the abhay to replace the sarath(bmp2),not much info is available about ,except that it is beased on western design , expected to weigh 23.5 tons ,is powered by a 40mm bofors guns,will be equipped with missiles and will have a 550hp engine,the us company david brown which was involved in the development of the bradley,challenger is developing the transmission system for the abhay.

the abhay is expected to be tested from 2007 onwards,i have posted an image of it in the indian millitary pics thread of this forum,it is the image of a prototype ,the actual production variant may be different.

there is another variant(a wheeled version)is currently under development,the image of which has been posted on www.acig.org.

besides this india have developed two more light troop carrier vehicles known as the hunky and tuffy. hunky is to be exported to iraq.

the al-talha is not an indigenous pakistani design but is a modified version of the us m113 armoured personnel carrier.

 

[d_berwal]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

what make you think that ka 52 is a good choice ?

compared to ah64 &tiger its no where near .Any way i am sending some spec of these heli's

here is a comparison of attack helicopter in the attached word file.

With a TOT and Isreali / french / avoinces we can make it an amazing beast which can creat havoc in enemy armour formations

 

[aaaditya]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

well here is a surprising news:

Post '07, 155mm gun to be Army's mainstay

January 13, 2006 23:33 IST


Army chief Gen J J Singh on Friday said the process of acquiring more than 400 155mm howitzers to boost the force's firepower was going smoothly and that the guns were likely to be inducted by next year.
"Our projection of the artillery profile of the Army is to have the 155mm/52 calibre howitzer as our primary weapon and we are proceeding on the acquisitions. The contenders are being trial-evaluated and the tests are likely to be completed by the end of this year," he said at a press conference on the eve of the Army Day.

The Army chief said the force would carry out two trials - the summer tests in the deserts and the high-altitude tests in the winters - before deciding on its choice.

He declined to answer queries on whether the newly-risen controversy over Bofors can hamper the acquisition plans, as the gun of AB Systems - the successor to the Swedish arms major - was one of the contenders.
"We will select the one which performs the best and meets all our parameters. It is then upto the government to approve. Whatever they decide, we will accept," Gen Singh said, adding, "We anticipate inductions to begin by 2007. If we get a gun that meets all our requirements."

The Indian Army's planned acquisition of howitzers from among three contenders - AB Systems, Israel's Soltam Systems and the South African Denel Ltd - had been stymied after the Defence Ministry blacklisted Denel following revelations of improper conduct by the South African firm, and the Israeli gun did not meet the necessary criteria.
This left the Swedish gun as the only contender, thus violating the Comptroller and Auditor General guidelines of not going in for single-vendor procurement.

Since then, new contenders, including Russia, Slovakia, and the United Kingdom, had reportedly entered the contest. There were also indications that the Indian Army was willing to rely on the test results, conducted elsewhere in similar conditions than go in for tests itself, in a bid to speed up the deal.



by the way can anyone give some info on any 155mm field gun that uk or slovakia may have? does slovakia have a spg,last heard even singapore and south korea had been invited.

uk had a light howitzer project but they cancelled it.

well here is the link for this article:

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/13gun.htm

 

[aaaditya]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

well guys here is an inteersting news on a new grenade developed for indian army,seems pretty usefull ,though i believe that it is absically a stun grenade.

New grenade developed

Special Correspondent



HYDERABAD: The Pune-based High Energy Materials Research Laboratory has developed a grenade capable of penetrating a nine-inch thick wall, create fire and smoke. It would help in flushing out terrorists holed up in a building. The development trials are over, A. Subhananda Rao, director, HEMRL told reporters on the sidelines of an international conference.
He said the laboratory was also developing fool-proof explosive detectors and jammers. The detectors would identify explosives 10-20 metres away without any false alarms. They were expected to be ready in one to two years.
While the jammers now being used can neutralise only certain radio frequencies and not mobile frequencies, the new ones would jam radio and mobile frequencies. The devices were expected to be ready in six months, he said.
The HEMRL, in collaboration with the Advanced Centre for High Energy Materials Laboratory at the University of Hyderabad, was developing new compounds like "insensitive RDX", Mr. Rao said.

here is the link:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/16/stories/2006011604960700.htm

 

[aaaditya]

Re: Indian Ground Forces News and Discussion

well guess the indian artillery competition has reached its final stages with only the israeli soaltam and the bae bofors archer remaining:

here is the link:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/01/india-to-make-2-bn-artillery-decision-by-2007/index.php

 

[aaaditya]

some more interesting news:

seems that the indian ordinance factories have developed a series of new weapons for the indian army.

these are:

1)vidhwanshak-a new generation anti material rifle with changeable calibers of 12.7,14.5 and 20mm barrels(to be tested by the indian army this year)intended to replace the denel guns.

2)insas 5.56mm carbine with replaceable barrels of 5.56mm and 9mm barrels(orders for 30000 weapons placed by the indian defence ministry for the paramillitary forces).

3)a new generation submachine gun jointly developed by india and israel(9mm caliber)

4)40mm multibarreled grenade launcher(reverse engineered)

5)automatic smoke shell launcher for firing smoke and illumination shells for the anti riot forces.

here are the links for these very intersting articles,i believe amit has posted their images on this forum.

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=1507

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?storyflag=y&leftnm=lmnu2&leftindx=2&lselect=1&chklogin=N&autono=210813

 

[Kiwi Echo]

about the choppers

i say tiger all the way

but wat about a NH-90 for transport

 

[aaaditya]

about the choppers

i say tiger all the way

but wat about a NH-90 for transport

i believe india is developing a helicopter called as the lch(light combat helicopter) based on the alh design and claimed to be comparable to the tiger,so there is no question of india going for the tiger.

for medium helicopters india is favouring the eh101 and the cougar,eurocopter and westland have both offered joint development of these helicopters whichever one is selected,as a matter of fact indian airforce top brass have flown in the eh101 and were very impressed by it.

 

[aaaditya]

well here is an interesting news article ,seems that tata wants to increase its involvement in indian buisness in a big way and would be investing 225-250million dollars in the indian defence industry followed by another 500million dollars by 2008,well we can expect to see some quality products fromtheir stable soon.

here is the link for this news article:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/02/tata-to-invest-227m-in-indias-defense-sector/index.php

 

[aaaditya]

well eems the us company general motors is trying to enter into the indian market with its humvee and the hummer.

though i cant understand what's so special about those moving boxes,but they would be priced at around 4 to 5 million rupees.

well here is the link:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1408904,curpg-1.cms

 

[aaaditya]

finally guys ,the brahmos has become operational with the indian army(according to the indian defence minister).

this missile had already become operational with the navy,now only the submarine and the air launched variant are awaited.

here check out this link:

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=23239

 

[zoolander]

The Bahmos is a anti ship missile what does that have to do with the army?



Lets go back to the begginning of this thread. You guys were talking about the Insas. How does do it compare to a AK47 and galil. Please state stats like the accuaracy and rate of fire, recoil, avaliable mods, and etc.

Dont put too much opinion into this please.

 

[dabrownguy]

If you take a look here.
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/brahmos.jpg
You'll see PJ-10 on a TEL. Not 1 but 3. Why does the army need it? Well for one the Prithvi are probabily higher mantenance and slower to moblize. PJ-10 comes in with accuracy, speed, and cost facter. Not only that, some Prithvi SRBM are getting old. The Army needs a replacement obviously. Until LORA starts coming in.
Also about the INSAS. Well to be honest. It looks like a vintage gun. Manfucturing quality is pretty low too. Design is...good. What I like about it is the chromium lining on the barrell. I hate the color. Although its avaliable in black. I like the transperant clip. And as for your question on mods. Well it comes with almost everything. UBGL, NV scope, scope and other sights. Avlaliable in a variety. Led to more designs.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/INSAS.jpg
INSAS with NV scope.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/ReflexSight03.jpg
INSAS with MARS sight.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/AeroIndia2003/Indoor-Insas.jpg
Black INSAS exported to Nepal and Kenya.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/indian2/w1.jpg
INSAS guns.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/ExcaliburINSAS.jpg
Carbine INSAS ordered by the para military.

 

[aaaditya]

The Bahmos is a anti ship missile what does that have to do with the army?



Lets go back to the begginning of this thread. You guys were talking about the Insas. How does do it compare to a AK47 and galil. Please state stats like the accuaracy and rate of fire, recoil, avaliable mods, and etc.

Dont put too much opinion into this please.

for detailed information including specifications of the indsas assault rifle i suggest you check out the following websites www.bharat-rakshak.com and www.world.guns.ru .

 

[aaaditya]

If you take a look here.
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/brahmos.jpg
You'll see PJ-10 on a TEL. Not 1 but 3. Why does the army need it? Well for one the Prithvi are probabily higher mantenance and slower to moblize. PJ-10 comes in with accuracy, speed, and cost facter. Not only that, some Prithvi SRBM are getting old. The Army needs a replacement obviously. Until LORA starts coming in.
Also about the INSAS. Well to be honest. It looks like a vintage gun. Manfucturing quality is pretty low too. Design is...good. What I like about it is the chromium lining on the barrell. I hate the color. Although its avaliable in black. I like the transperant clip. And as for your question on mods. Well it comes with almost everything. UBGL, NV scope, scope and other sights. Avlaliable in a variety. Led to more designs.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/INSAS.jpg
INSAS with NV scope.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/ReflexSight03.jpg
INSAS with MARS sight.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Special/AeroIndia2003/Indoor-Insas.jpg
Black INSAS exported to Nepal and Kenya.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/indian2/w1.jpg
INSAS guns.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/events/images/ExcaliburINSAS.jpg
Carbine INSAS ordered by the para military.

there are actually 3 versions of prithvi:

prithvi 1- range 40-150kms -1000 kg warhead-liquid fuelled.

prithvi 2-range 150-250kms-500kg warhead-liquid fuelled.

prithvi 3-range upto 350 kms-750kg warhead (to be increased to 1000 kgs)-solid fuelled ,the prithvi 3 known as dhanush requires very less maintainenece than the other two being a a solid fuelled missile an dcan also be used by the navy.

for detailed info on these missiles check out www.bharat-rakshak.com

 

[zoolander]

I heard rumors that the Arjun is finally going to go into production. Is thsi tank better than the T-90s? I believe it isnt.

 

[dabrownguy]

http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/08/images/2004080807640801.jpg
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040808/ind1.jpg
Five MBT's handed over to the army. Now please stop giving me a headache.