More of them Eckherl
May be one of the factor, and very important one in that.
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May be one of the factor, and very important one in that.What! 300 T80UD`s to 1,000 T-90S`s, sound like a even match to me.More of them Eckherl
nfloorl:What! 300 T80UD`s to 1,000 T-90S`s, sound like a even match to me.
What about the Al-Khalid?
If T-80UD so superior to T-90S, why Pakistan so bothers with the accelerated inducing of Al-Khalid in its service?What! 300 T80UD`s to 1,000 T-90S`s, sound like a even match to me.
Also after the death of Niyazov in Turkmenistan the rumor's starting to go that Pakistan instead quit agreed new batch of T-80UD have bought 300 T-72'via Niyazov's sons.
ADF stands for Aust Defence Force.
I'm curious at the thrust of your remaining comment.
- Whats it got to do with Indian Army News?
- What do you mean by "world biggest craft"?
- What do you mean by "Should be trying hard on it."?
How many Al-Khalids have been built. The purchase of T-72`s is news to me, why purchase to different platform when you are coming out with the spectacular Al-KhalidIf T-80UD so superior to T-90S, why Pakistan so bothers with the accelerated inducing of Al-Khalid in its service?
Also after the death of Niyazov in Turkmenistan the rumor's starting to go that Pakistan instead quit agreed new batch of T-80UD have bought 300 T-72'via Niyazov's sons.
. Pakistan is satisfied with the T-80 performance.India orders 300 main battle tanks from Russia
Modernized T-90s? Does any one have more details?
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Modernized T-90s? Does any one have more details?
With the fielding of Al-Khalid this will give them a tank (they say superior over T-90S
). To me this is just another upgrade of the T-72 with alot of influence from China, personaly I would of kept working with Ukraine or Russia who have experience in upgrade development for this model.You should be getting a better counter measures package, which is confusing seeings how you have Israel assisting you with the overheating issue of turret components, Hopefully Russia has fixed these issues with the next batch. Also isn`t there some issues with India getting their manufacturing facility up and running.
Yep. frigging OFB is nothing but commie controlled govt' organization known for their inefficiency, low quality. Thats why Army ordered these additional T-90 directly from Russia.
How public is it with Israeli involvement with some of the weapons upgrades or assistance programs.
sorry.. that part was a wrong post. I cant delete it when i realize it was wrong written
Some projects are well known, ex Barak II, a New range of UAVs etc. There are news reports of some joint projects of 'Strategic Importance' going on. I am not aware of any public reports of Israeli involvement in T-90s.
Donno why, it is from BBC news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/news/newsid_2183000/2183295.stmHow many Al-Khalids have been built. The purchase of T-72`s is news to me, why purchase to different platform when you are coming out with the spectacular Al-Khalid
T-90S is modernised version of the initial T-90 by definition. May be some additional changes the Indians asked to do with the old spec of T-90S? It seems possible because some new Russian gadgets for T-72/T-90 are ready on the market, and I heard from the Indian press before at least about the interest to put Shtora in the kit. It is unlikely and lack logic if India is following to buy T-90S in suit falling behind what Algeria received i/o without mine protection kits, emission reducing etc. Also Pakistan already started its modernisation of T-80UD as they say 'up to T-84 standart'. It is very resonable and predictable if India will make some moves in this direction too.
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Here is a regularly updated page for the T-72 maintained by the Ukranian manufacturer http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product.php?prodID=890
It seems unlikely to me that Turkmenistan will part with such a significant part of its tank fleet. With this in mind I would say that the previously sited report from BBC can not be taken at full value. This is particularly true since there is no shortage of cheap T-72s on the market, with Hungary virtually giving them away for the new Iraqi Army. However we shall all watch with interest the post-Turkmanbashi political environment there.
It also seems to me that Pakistan bought T-80s because they were offered, and not because the Pakistani Army wanted T-80s. In other words, an opportunity purchase.
The rest of the Pakistani tank fleet is in somewhat of a logistic mess. They are simultaneously attempting:
1. Various depths of upgrade for existing fleet
2. Induction of T-80s (a fairly complex bit of kit)
3. Indigenous manufacturing in cooperation with China.
To perform any one of these programs is no mean feat for even a more experienced force. Do all three efficiently and effectively for a country not known for vast amounts of financial wealth or suitable human resources is probably foolhardy.
Besides that there is a mantra of "showing progress and independence from the West" in the Islamic world (and India until recently). Where was the money for Al-Khalid development coming from?
Here is a regularly updated page for the T-72 maintained by the Ukranian manufacturer http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product.php?prodID=890
It seems unlikely to me that Turkmenistan will part with such a significant part of its tank fleet. With this in mind I would say that the previously sited report from BBC can not be taken at full value. This is particularly true since there is no shortage of cheap T-72s on the market, with Hungary virtually giving them away for the new Iraqi Army. However we shall all watch with interest the post-Turkmanbashi political environment there.
It also seems to me that Pakistan bought T-80s because they were offered, and not because the Pakistani Army wanted T-80s. In other words, an opportunity purchase.
The rest of the Pakistani tank fleet is in somewhat of a logistic mess. They are simultaneously attempting:
1. Various depths of upgrade for existing fleet
2. Induction of T-80s (a fairly complex bit of kit)
3. Indigenous manufacturing in cooperation with China.
To perform any one of these programs is no mean feat for even a more experienced force. Do all three efficiently and effectively for a country not known for vast amounts of financial wealth or suitable human resources is probably foolhardy.
Besides that there is a mantra of "showing progress and independence from the West" in the Islamic world (and India until recently). Where was the money for Al-Khalid development coming from?
They are actually working on a cooling system for the FCS on the T-90S that are currently in service. System is a microcooling unit for the Catherine sighting system, Israeli company involved is called Kinetics.
English please... Morozov has pretty good info on what Ukraine is doing.
http://morozov.com.ua/eng/body/t72ag.php?menu=def2.php
I guess the question is "what would India do if Russia sold Pakistan tanks?"
The complexity comes from the Al-Khalid incorporating Ukrainian engines. Since Pakistan is Morozovs biggest customer they are MORE than willing to assist in any way possible. This is good for Ukraine because it means cooperation with the biggest market they want to enter... PROC. It might be a mess but the Ukrainians are happy to help in this regard.
I don't think the ability to succefully integrate these systems falls mainly on the heads of Pakistan. Ukraine is the glue that has to bind this triumvirate of tank design together.
China is also involved in upgrade packages for the remainder of Pakistans tank fleet, Extern is correct that Ukraine will upgrade to T-84 standard and there is also plans in the works for additional purchases.
FutureTank
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Sorry, I should have posted the English version link...there is a link in top right hand corner.
Never say never, but I wuld say that the Russian relatinsip with India is far t deep-rooted t threaten, and the presence of China in Pakistan is probably contributing to that.
Yes, Ukranians will 'milk' that market fr al its worth. I don't know how Russia's relationship with Ukraine will be affected if it starts to sell to PROC. What's Canada's relationship with US be like through it's military sales to Iran? Or the less radical suggestion of Mexico?