India needs 3 more aircraft carriers: Navy chief

[dabrownguy]

I think since India already hold larger and more advanced weapons than Pakistan their next competition(friendly rivilary) is China. I think India wants to be able to look eye to eye with China in military power because they can't keep on comparing their militray with Pakistan.

 

[gf0012-aust]

the cost of looking china in the "eye" may be a little expensive, when you invest in a carrier you also need to invest in a carrier protection group, if you use existing assets then you will lose some existing tasking functionality - unless the battle group is staying in the "same location" as the original escort vessels..

add in the cost of an air wing for each battle group and it starts to get a little expensive

 

[dabrownguy]

India can put the money in. ppp is increasing 500 mill a year i think? or is it 50 mill?

 

[gf0012-aust]

India can put the money in. ppp is increasing 500 mill a year i think? or is it 50 mill?

and then multiply the capex costs by 3 - as india wants to have 3 carrier groups

actually it will be 2 carrier battle groups, the third carrier is the rotater so no support assets needed

 

[suleman]

I think since India already hold larger and more advanced weapons than Pakistan their next competition(friendly rivilary) is China. I think India wants to be able to look eye to eye with China in military power because they can't keep on comparing their militray with Pakistan.

Thats the reason why indian forces stood at borders for 10 months and never dared to attack a soo called weak country Pakistan.If Pakistan was weak then India would have attacked without wasteing a single minute.Secondly war or confrontation is never a good thing.Forget these fights and think for the prosporous future of south asia.
One have to talk even after war.So why not talk before the war and live peacefully.Dont take Pakistan's wish for peace as weakness.

 

[Oqaab]

BTW, The aircraft carrier India is getting from russia will be second hand right ???

 

[ullu]

The aircraft carrier India is getting from russia will be second hand right ???

Very second hand... old stuff bro.

in da news today:

India, Russia Clear Decks for Sale of Admiral Gorshkov
NEW DELHI --- After weeks of hard negotiations, India has cleared the acquisition of the 45,000 ton aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov from Russia.

 

[gf0012-aust]

The aircraft carrier India is getting from russia will be second hand right ???

Very second hand... old stuff bro.

in da news today:

India, Russia Clear Decks for Sale of Admiral Gorshkov
NEW DELHI --- After weeks of hard negotiations, India has cleared the acquisition of the 45,000 ton aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov from Russia.

2 billion is cheap for a carrier of this size, spares, 28x Mig-29K fighters and 6x Kamov 31 anti submarine helicopters.

Its the warfare suite that was the sticking point before, India wanted Israeli EW, C4i systems rather than Russian. The Russians assumed that they would get to put their own systems in. I wonder how this has been resolved?
The less capable your EW/C4i capability, the bigger your platform becomes as a target of opportunity.

 

[Su_37]

Well , Aircraft carrier is not a sitting duck as suck , becasue it will have distroyers , frigates , subs along with , aircrafts .

about Second hand , it is 1985 build, 2 billion aircrft carrier , well at least India can affort 2 Biilion , to but such an distructive armada while no other counry in Asia think of having such a big distructive force becasue they can't afford it and maintain it.

No Asian county have the capacity to even by 4th hand 1 billion ship

 

[ullu]

China does and it can. Maybe other asian countries don't need it? Maybe they don't have ambitions to invade/rule over their neighbors? :roll

 

[gf0012-aust]

Well , Aircraft carrier is not a sitting duck as suck , becasue it will have distroyers , frigates , subs along with , aircrafts .

That exactly my point though, it costs a substantial amount of money to create a carrier battle group, and those assets, if not being built have to come from existing taskings - if thats the case then you do lose some of your capability until their original taskings are picked up by other units,

the carrier battle group has a different role, so there will be minimal overlap - hence there is a cost blow out.

 

[Su_37]

China does and it can. Maybe other asian countries don't need it? Maybe they don't have ambitions to invade/rule over their neighbors? :roll

I don;t think China has any Aircraft Carrier......If China has someone please tell me its Name.

Having a Aircradt Carrier doin;t means it want to invade neighbour. USa dind;t invade Maxico , columbia etc

 

[Red aRRow]

Having a Aircradt Carrier doin;t means it want to invade neighbour. USa dind;t invade Maxico , columbia etc

The U.S invaded Vietnam, Panama, Iraq and Afghanistan instead.

 

[gf0012-aust]

China does and it can. Maybe other asian countries don't need it? Maybe they don't have ambitions to invade/rule over their neighbors? :roll

I don;t think China has any Aircraft Carrier......If China has someone please tell me its Name.

Having a Aircradt Carrier doin;t means it want to invade neighbour. USa dind;t invade Maxico , columbia etc

China bought the old HMAS Melbourne from Australia about 15 years ago for "scrap". Apparently it is still intact and has been under examination by naval architects etc for all that time. As a vessel it obviously is not a functioning unit.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Russia and India likely to ink aircraft carrier deal during Ivanov trip

19/01/2004 at 10:26:39

Date line: NEW DELHI
India and Russia are likely to clinch a 1.8-billion dollar contract for the sale and refurbishment of a Soviet-era aircraft carrier during a visit here by Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, officials said Monday.

Ivanov, due in New Delhi late Monday, is scheduled to meet his Indian counterpart Tuesday and then head a Russian delegation in the negotiations over the sale of the 44,570-tonne Admiral Gorshkov carrier to the Indian navy, which currently has only one such ship, defence ministry officials told AFP.

Ivanov, who returns home Wednesday, will also hold talks on the supply of military spare parts which India desperately needs for its ageing fleet of MiG warplanes and T-75 main battle tanks, they said.

"The contract entails a 700-million-dollar package for the overhaul of the 273-metre (900-foot) Gorshkov and one billion dollars to supply 28 MiG-29K maritime jets and six Kamov-28 and Kamov 31 anti-submarine helicopters," a high-placed official said.

"In fact, the deal will encompass 20 sub-contracts including the planes and armaments for the aircraft carrier which is currently rusting at the Russian port of Severodvinsk for more than 10 years now," the official said.

"The deal is likely to be signed during Ivanov's visit," he added.

The contract, if clinched, would be the largest single defence deal between India and its trusted military supplier Russia since the collapse of the Soviet union in 1991.

The Gorshkov negotiations dragged for three years but were firmed up last year when Moscow accepted New Delhi's pre-conditions and agreed to lease two of its long-range Tupulov-22 nuclear-capable bombers and a nuclear-powered submarine to India.

The two sides are yet to agree on the missiles to be deployed on the aircraft carrier. Russia insists its 'Kashthan' missiles are best suited for Gorshkov but India is wavering between the Israeli 'Barak' and the French 'Aster' defence systems, sources said.

Russia accounts for more than 70 percent of the military hardware used by India, although New Delhi has increasingly been looking to Europe, Israel and the United States for defence equipment.

© 2004 AFP

This is a never ending saga - double link from another source - so sorry no web link. I assume that it will be on AFP's.

 

[elkaboingo]

Having a Aircradt Carrier doin;t means it want to invade neighbour. USa dind;t invade Maxico , columbia etc

The U.S invaded Vietnam, Panama, Iraq and Afghanistan instead.

not to mention all the coup'd'etats all over south america :roll

 

[shamsi]

The aircraft carrier India is getting from russia will be second hand right ???

Very second hand... old stuff bro.

in da news today:

India, Russia Clear Decks for Sale of Admiral Gorshkov
NEW DELHI --- After weeks of hard negotiations, India has cleared the acquisition of the 45,000 ton aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov from Russia.

2 billion is cheap for a carrier of this size, spares, 28x Mig-29K fighters and 6x Kamov 31 anti submarine helicopters.

Its the warfare suite that was the sticking point before, India wanted Israeli EW, C4i systems rather than Russian. The Russians assumed that they would get to put their own systems in. I wonder how this has been resolved?
The less capable your EW/C4i capability, the bigger your platform becomes as a target of opportunity.

Precisely, but this is more of a symbolic purchase. Military spending madness if you ask me. Think of a little kid in a candy store, but what I know of Russians, they will make their money in spares, and support. The European systems India wants to install on this Kiev class ship would most likely be in India, post refit, as currently they are a conflict of Interest.

 

[gf0012-aust]

shamsi, yes, I think a few more visits from Thales and the Israelis will be happening once its docked

 

[The Watcher]

Russia is milking the Indian cow real well.

I would assume Israeli c4i system is much better than Russian as its would be based on or closely related to that of USA?

 

[shamsi]

Russia is milking the Indian cow real well.

I would assume Israeli c4i system is much better than Russian as its would be based on or closely related to that of USA?

As USA as apple pie.