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Reading through an article by the responsible project leader from 2019 (project "obsolence remediation for long distance sensor and capability enhancement F124 in air defence"):
The second stage of the project is about basically writing a BMD module ("MBFA") for the F124 CMS, for which at the time of the article they were still at the early definition stage. Integrating elements of AEGIS BMD (in particular the threat analysis database) seems to have been evaluated in a study with the US Missile Defence Agency back then. MBFA for F124 is also mostly seen as a necessary risk minimization stage for F127, which - at least at the time of the article - is projected as a BMD sensor-and-shooter.
- There are some hints that range and distance resolution of SMART-L may have been unsatisfactory for the intention of reaching "track quality in accordance with STANAG 5516".
- In addition there was apparently a desire for a software-defined radar due to the ease of introducing optimizations.
- Also, Gallium-nitride AESA radars are seen as state-of-the-art with advantages through e.g. flexibility of waveforms.
The second stage of the project is about basically writing a BMD module ("MBFA") for the F124 CMS, for which at the time of the article they were still at the early definition stage. Integrating elements of AEGIS BMD (in particular the threat analysis database) seems to have been evaluated in a study with the US Missile Defence Agency back then. MBFA for F124 is also mostly seen as a necessary risk minimization stage for F127, which - at least at the time of the article - is projected as a BMD sensor-and-shooter.
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Re Gallium nitride AESA radar: Thales says "D-band AESA and GaN technology " in their brief brochure - https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/database/document/2021-04/SMART-L MM-N-V03.pdf,
So I presume that the other factors are likely to have been the deciding ones.
Your last paragraph is very interesting.
So I presume that the other factors are likely to have been the deciding ones.
Your last paragraph is very interesting.
Should be this item from the June procurement package (the original wording wasn't that clear):
The contract includes procuring the relevant end-user digital radio units for shipboard damage control teams, as well as a central coordination solution for live monitoring and integration into the ship's IT systems. Deployment by mid-2022.
TETRA is also used by German civilian emergency response authorities, thus providing possible cross-organisational coordination.
Contract for that went to Motorola, and entails equipping 16 selected ships with TETRA cell networks (plus one land-side installation at Parow and one at the Navy Arsenal). Worth about 69.9 million Euro.
The contract includes procuring the relevant end-user digital radio units for shipboard damage control teams, as well as a central coordination solution for live monitoring and integration into the ship's IT systems. Deployment by mid-2022.
TETRA is also used by German civilian emergency response authorities, thus providing possible cross-organisational coordination.
Sandhi Yudha
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Type 212CD. Looking to the name is should be an improved variant of the Type 212A, but here we can see that its actually a complete new design.
www.navalnews.com
Radical New Stealth Submarine, Type-212CD, Will Be Much Larger - Naval News
Submarines rely on stealth to maintain the element of surprise and escape threats. For decades this has focused on reducing the noise emitted by the submarine. A resurgence of using active sonar to locate submarines now means that new stealth measures may be required. German submarine builder...
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China has formally cancelled the provisionally planned port visit of FGS Bayern in Shanghai after contemplating the German request.
The ship has by now left Karachi. Next stop of the ship is Diego Garcia, a visit that is somewhat politically contested publicly due to the base's status. Since the think-tank SWP (which basically defines politics in Germany) has weighed in on the opposition side quite heavily (to the point of the visit putting the purpose of the entire trip in question) the Ministry of Defense has had to issue a declaration that the stop will be merely for refueling with no further infrastructure use or any diplomatic contact and does not constitute any sort of political statement with regard to the status of the island.
The ship has by now left Karachi. Next stop of the ship is Diego Garcia, a visit that is somewhat politically contested publicly due to the base's status. Since the think-tank SWP (which basically defines politics in Germany) has weighed in on the opposition side quite heavily (to the point of the visit putting the purpose of the entire trip in question) the Ministry of Defense has had to issue a declaration that the stop will be merely for refueling with no further infrastructure use or any diplomatic contact and does not constitute any sort of political statement with regard to the status of the island.
Apparently the Navy is still mulling keeping the (last F122 class) frigate Lübeck in service as a training ship "until training ships are procured". This goes as far as an exchange between the Chief Admiral of the Navy and the Commander of the 1st Corvette Squadron on Twitter about having to look for a different name for the (tenth K130 class) corvette Lübeck planned to go into service in 2025.
Lübeck just returned from a four-month deployment in the Aegaean Sea last week.
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Should make Darwin a more significant visit or would that offend France?
They're already making a longer stop in Perth for joint exercises.
The RAN is looking forward to seeing them..
I imagine there will be a bit of an effort to embrace them.
I imagine there will be a bit of an effort to embrace them.
SBS radio Sydney conducted an over the phone interview - In German. Audio quality varies as via satellite phone.
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Fregatte Bayern: Botschafter in Blau
Die Fahrt der Fregatte „Bayern“ in den Indo-Pazifik setzt ein Zeichen für freie Handelswege und dass Deutschland seine Wertepartner in dieser Region unterstützt. Am 28. September wird das Schiff unter dem Kommando von Fregattenkapitän Tilo Kalski in Fremantle erwartet. In einem Gespräch über…
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Sandhi Yudha
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Its official now.
The first one is already planned for delivery in 2024.
These 5 new P-8As will replace all the P-3Cs the following years. These eight P-3C were originally in use with the Marineluchtvaartdienst from the Netherlands, but sold around 2005 to Germany.
boeing.mediaroom.com
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The first one is already planned for delivery in 2024.
These 5 new P-8As will replace all the P-3Cs the following years. These eight P-3C were originally in use with the Marineluchtvaartdienst from the Netherlands, but sold around 2005 to Germany.
Boeing Awarded Contract for Five P-8A Aircraft for Germany
ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 27, 2021 —The U.S. Navy today awarded Boeing [NYSE: BA] a production contract for five P-8A Poseidon aircraft for Germany. First deliveries are slated to begin in 2024 when...
Boeing Awarded Contract for Five P-8A Aircraft for Germany - Naval News
The U.S. Navy today awarded Boeing a production contract for five P-8A Poseidon aircraft for Germany.
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Keel has been laid for the first of three new multipurpose ships for the German Coastguard:
www.gdws.wsv.bund.de
The three ships will replace three current ships as part of the emergency response group of the Coastguard, stationed offshore in the North Sea and Baltic Sea to respond to maritime disasters. A fourth current ship only built in 2004 will be retained in the same role. Under the current concept the overall group of four ships is supported by four chartered civilian ocean tugs in coastguard livery.
Their main role is to provide general aid in such disasters (with response time of two hours anywhere in the German EEZ), towing ships of any size at sea, firefighting (incl. under full NBC conditions), salvaging, icebreaking and combatting chemical spills. When not busy with that they also engage in buoy tending. Compared to the old ships they also bring a helicopter deck and accomodation for a platoon of police special forces.
Compared to coastguard ships worldwide they will be rather large at 99.8m length and somewhere around 7000 tons full load displacement, a size class typically only reached by dedicated arctic icebreakers.
The ships are being built at Western Baltija in Lithuania with final outfitting at Fassmer in Germany. Total investment is 600 million Euro.
GDWS - Homepage - Kiellegung des ersten neuen Mehrzweckschiffes in Litauen
www.gdws.wsv.bund.de
The three ships will replace three current ships as part of the emergency response group of the Coastguard, stationed offshore in the North Sea and Baltic Sea to respond to maritime disasters. A fourth current ship only built in 2004 will be retained in the same role. Under the current concept the overall group of four ships is supported by four chartered civilian ocean tugs in coastguard livery.
Their main role is to provide general aid in such disasters (with response time of two hours anywhere in the German EEZ), towing ships of any size at sea, firefighting (incl. under full NBC conditions), salvaging, icebreaking and combatting chemical spills. When not busy with that they also engage in buoy tending. Compared to the old ships they also bring a helicopter deck and accomodation for a platoon of police special forces.
Compared to coastguard ships worldwide they will be rather large at 99.8m length and somewhere around 7000 tons full load displacement, a size class typically only reached by dedicated arctic icebreakers.
The ships are being built at Western Baltija in Lithuania with final outfitting at Fassmer in Germany. Total investment is 600 million Euro.
Fassmer has updated the portfolio on their website since.
While the "SVS" German Navy vessels are not on it, the "CPV50" vessel offered there now under "coastal and beyond" is basically the same multirole concept on their standardized CPV hull stretched to the same length as SVS. Due to the very narrow and shallow-draft CPV hull CPV50 is a fairly light ship for its size btw.
"OPV50" under "Blue Water" is the same ship as CPV50 btw, just reconfigured with a flight deck over the aft multirole area.
Some coverage here.
Interesting news about officer exchange with Ger/Au
www.aspistrategist.org.au
I wonder if the Germans will be back to observe talisman. Particularly as they look to build up some sort of amphibious ready action group, and as the new coalition works out its views on the world.
Interesting news about officer exchange with Ger/Au
Naval deployment shows Germany’s commitment to the Indo-Pacific | The Strategist
In a week when Australia’s relationship with France was left hanging by a thread due to the cancellation of the Attack-class submarine project, Germany quietly doubled the number of upcoming port visits to Australia by ...
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I wonder if the Germans will be back to observe talisman. Particularly as they look to build up some sort of amphibious ready action group, and as the new coalition works out its views on the world.
The Air Force gets its turn next. Deployment of several Eurofighters and tanker aircraft to Australia planned for 2022 (for several weeks). Unless of course the recent fracas has overturned these plans, and yes, that will depend on which priorities the new coalition sets. My suspicion going by campaign programmes is that the whole Indopacific military thing will be tuned down in priority.
Don't know exactly why, but Bayern did another refueling stop in Palau last week (800 nm from Guam and about 1600 nm from Darwin). Palau presumably wasn't on the deployment map for good reason, both as a former German colony and because the country does not acknowledge PR China.
At Guam the ship will receive replacements for her Sea Lynx helicopters (and it seems the interceptor boat) in order to optimally spread flight hour usage across the helo fleet. The replacements are being flown in on a single An-124 flight. They will also switch out some crew in Guam.
At Guam the ship will receive replacements for her Sea Lynx helicopters (and it seems the interceptor boat) in order to optimally spread flight hour usage across the helo fleet. The replacements are being flown in on a single An-124 flight. They will also switch out some crew in Guam.