German Navy

kato

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Unlike other legs of the trip for the one from Incheon to Jakarta (via Manila) the Navy is not allowing media teams onboard.
The two ships passed through the Taiwan Straits last week. AIS was switched off during the passage. The route chosen was fairly along the centerline in international waters.

Chinese complaints about it, while hearable, were fairly sedate.

Taiwanese and Japanese media were a bit hype about it, American media ignored it and instead splurged on how the German Navy was joining their effort in the South China Sea (they aren't).

The ships are currently on a port visit in Manila Sep 16th to 19th, before continuing later today towards Jakarta.
 

kato

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
The German Navy held this year's version of its Northern Coasts exercise series last month.

700 sailors from nine NATO nations in primarily smaller ships took part at sea - usually the exercise is significantly bigger than that. In addition naval base Kiel with a few hundred men was involved. No list of participating ships was published this year. Taskforce command ship was the German Elbe-class tender Rhein, according to Latvian sources 14 other ships, a submarine and four aircraft were involved. From published pictures it looks like the largest ship was a Polish OHP frigate.

Scenario this year was a defense of the German baltic coast in its entirety with a focus on area denial through minelaying, along with naval operations in own minefield areas, mineclearing and anti-ship warfare. Exercise command staff was advised by offensive mine warfare specialists from Finland and Estonia. Training minefields were laid in the Bay of Kiel, where Germany had used its first sea mines in 1848 for similar area denial purposes against the Danish fleet.

The exercise was interfered with a bit by Russian ships through both the usual electronics and visual intelligence shadowing, but also directed GPS jamming, radio message falsifications etc. To some extent the exercise was therefore also training of operations under such conditions (e.g. traditional messaging methods) and own intelligence gathering on Russian assets. This of course included Russian Navy ships just passing by with switched-on AIS, such as a supply group headed to the Russian base in Syria.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

TKMS shown their bid model for German AAW Frigate as Sachsen class replacement. Requirement of 6 against existing 3 also not only double the #of vessels but also double the VLS. It's just me, but for 10000 ton size, it should be at least 80 VLS.
 

Redlands18

Well-Known Member

TKMS shown their bid model for German AAW Frigate as Sachsen class replacement. Requirement of 6 against existing 3 also not only double the #of vessels but also double the VLS. It's just me, but for 10000 ton size, it should be at least 80 VLS.
The Germans prefer using the RAM CIWS instead of the extra VLS or a gun-based system. Possibly aimed at being more a GP Frigate with a strong AAW fitout than a true Destroyer. Italy is building 10,000t ships as well with a similar number of VLS, don't forget all the Western 9-10,000t Destroyers with 90+ VLS are based on designs that go back to the 1980s, these are the first modern 10,000t AAW ships with a high degree of LO built in and will require a lot of power to operate upcoming systems.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Possibly aimed at being more a GP Frigate with a strong AAW fitout than a true Destroyer.
That's what I suspect more. German seems still prepared enough space for non AAW related functions.

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The space is enough to put 48 VLS instead just 32. This is also if not mistaken what Italian do. So two VLS modules of 48 and 32. Don't have to be 96 like US Burke do or what Korean and Japanese do. However if this is AAW dedicated Frigate, why only 64 with this kind of large hull?

The way I see it, the need to prepare this Frigate for other GP functions seems make the German designer put space on that. This days of threat, 64 seems only on minimum end for AAW dedicated Frigate/Destroyer. Especially for new design.
 
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