Future Energy Pathways

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
It comes with a cost. BEVs weighing more than equivalent ICE vehicles. That has the effect of making tire life lower (in combination with the torque) and a number of areas are looking to slap restrictions due to potential road damage particularly on the larger BEVs. Like the pickup trucks and SUVs.
It’s not only tire, a friend had to spend a large sum of money redoing his Tesla’s suspension, again a consequence of weight.
 

Vivendi

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It’s not only tire, a friend had to spend a large sum of money redoing his Tesla’s suspension, again a consequence of weight.
I know a lot of people having Tesla, and none of them have had issues with suspension (mainly Model 3 and Y, also some Model S and X) and I have also owned a Tesla myself for 3 years now, and not experienced any issues with suspension. Of course some people have experienced issues with suspension, like your friend, but it may not be as widespread as some may think.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
There have been stories about the difficulties of recycling Li-ion batteries. Here’s another about wind turbine blades and solar panels. Can’t remember where I saw the recent pictures of an entire wind farm that was ripped apart by strong winds. Some big numbers about waste in Canada which isn’t exactly a leading way as a wind and solar producer albeit there is significant expansion. At least four provinces are committed to nuclear SMRs.

 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
Some big numbers about waste in Canada which isn’t exactly a leading way as a wind and solar producer albeit there is significant expansion. At least four provinces are committed to nuclear SMRs.
Nuclear are gaining back momentum thankfully. Even in nation like Indonesia that's for decades only manage to build 3 research reactor and no nuclear power plant, had seems changing the approach.



US base Thorcon got better traction on Jokowi's last term, also related to MinDef interest with Thorium reactor. Seems Prabowo's shown interest to keep momentum for Nuclear on his next administration.

For decades environment green NGO idiots interest ironically colliding with fossil fuel (especially Coals) business lobby to halt any Nuclear power plant development. Now seems many realise that zero emissions can realistically achievable only with Nuclear.

Prabowo's seems want to hedge both US Thorcon and Russian Rossatom for Nuclear power plant. Will see how the development.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

The United States is committed to support Indonesia in developing its small modular reactor (SMR) technology, including by expediting ongoing feasibility studies and exploring potential collaboration to build Indonesian expertise through nuclear assessor research certification programs.

The SMR from Thorcon is the one Thorcon offering to Indonesia, and Prabowo is one of big supporter during his time as Defense Minister. Seems he got commitment from White House to support, still the way remain will Trump support him also on this. Considering this will help Thorcon on gaining market on their molten salt reactor, I suspect this is kind of deal Trump Will also support.

Put it in this thread to shown as my previous post before, how Nuclear power regain it's come back as green sustainable power solutions. Now let's see how those greenies react on this.
 

tonnyc

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NuScale of USA pitched their SMR to PLN Indonesia Power last year. So there are two American companies offering SMR to Indonesia.

Having started earlier, Thorcon is a few steps ahead. But this does not mean guaranteed success. Still, I don't really have a particular preference for any company. We need to use nuclear energy, but it doesn't have to be from any specific supplier. As long as the safety standard is met and the price is right, any will do.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
OPG in Ontario has selected the GE/Hitachi SMR. Up to 4 will be at the Darlington CANDU complex. Other provinces are also committing to SMR projects.
 

tonnyc

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Vietnam is restarting their nuclear power development program.

They suspended it back in 2016 citing cost and their economy at the time as one reason, but they're officially putting it back on the roadmap after their Ministry of Industry and Trade forecasted a power shortage in 2026-2030 period. Mind you, there's no way they can finish a nuclear power plant that fast, but I guess they figured that if they're short by 2030, it will be even worse going forward, so better start now.

From what I can tell, Russia resuming their marketing of the VVER-1200 nuclear power plant to Vietnam, which makes sense since that's pretty much what they've been offering to everyone.

According to this news article, the locals at the previously selected site supports the resumption. On a local scale the building and operation of a nuclear power plant indeed brings substantial economic development to the locale.

 
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SolarisKenzo

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Europe has more incinerators than waste to burn.
According to various studies, waste-to-energy plants (commonly known as incinerators) have been increasing in number every year in Europe and there are now almost 600 large incinerators operational in the Continent.
This was considered to be one of the most important energy-sources (both heating and electricity) in Europe, but a problem has appeared...
Incineration capacity has increased by almost 8 million tons a year since 2000, but better recycling techniques have caused a drop in the amount of trash available for incineration, which is forcing many cities to shut down completely or partially some of their incinerators.
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map of incinerators in europe
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
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Europe has more incinerators than waste to burn.
According to various studies, waste-to-energy plants (commonly known as incinerators) have been increasing in number every year in Europe and there are now almost 600 large incinerators operational in the Continent.
This was considered to be one of the most important energy-sources (both heating and electricity) in Europe, but a problem has appeared...
Incineration capacity has increased by almost 8 million tons a year since 2000, but better recycling techniques have caused a drop in the amount of trash available for incineration, which is forcing many cities to shut down completely or partially some of their incinerators.
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map of incinerators in europe
So possibly a new business opportunity for EUROPE, waste importation, who would have thought?:p
 

Sandhi Yudha

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:p
So possibly a new business opportunity for EUROPE, waste importation, who would have thought?:p
I was thinking the same. For decades trash was exported (dumped) to Third World Countries, now these countries can export it back and earn some money with it.

This situation suddenly reminds me of a science-fiction anime, Ergo Proxy, where the citizens are stimulated to make more waste.
(Starting from 2:23)
 
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seaspear

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A bit about SMRs and CANDU in this presentation to the Australian Nuclear Association:
Nuclear power is going below the radar at the moment in the Australian election one party has spoken of bringing this in not sure of any economic model with all the renewable energy produced here
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Nuclear power is going below the radar at the moment in the Australian election one party has spoken of bringing this in not sure of any economic model with all the renewable energy produced here
Certainly Australia's solar production (wind also perhaps) is likely very cost competitive depending on where the production components come from. Chinese solar panels might be in short supply if things go pear shaped. I am not familiar with grid requirements for getting power to the consumers. Transmission distances can be an issue. In theory, SMRs can be located close to demand markets thus reducing transmission costs. In any event, economics will be the primary driver. The other parameter is electrical storage for baseload demand, something NG, nuclear, and hydro excel at.
 

seaspear

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would expect the solar battery farms in progress to meet shortfall
 

tonnyc

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would expect the solar battery farms in progress to meet shortfall
I am skeptical that battery farms will be able to contribute a largish percentage of Australia's energy storage needs. Their use is more for stabilizing gaps measured in minutes. Longer term, I believe Australia must commit to building a large amount of pumped hydro storage.
 

kato

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Verified Defense Pro
Longer term, I believe Australia must commit to building a large amount of pumped hydro storage.
There is a proposal in Germany to turn the largest open-pit lignite mine into a giant pumped hydro storage in the late 2030s btw - with a capacity of 200 GWh. The company operating the mine (which also runs a bunch of powerplants - and pumped hydro storages) was originally "open to the idea" but after they had a look at the costs turned fairly solidly against it.

What's seen as the primary solution here is basically a distributed network of at-home batteries. There's currently 14 GWh installed, mostly due to people installing PV on their houses and generally buying batteries with them. Larger battery storage is mostly being installed by industry or at other attachment points for final distribution networks.

The reason why this is more profitable in general is due to the way network fees in the power network are structured legally here (after a restructuring about 10 years ago). Pumped hydro and other central network-side storage systems effectively count as both "final recipient" and "energy production", and hence pay certain fees on both input and output. Lobbyists for pumped hydro mostly want to see that changed.
 

SolarisKenzo

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There is a proposal in Germany to turn the largest open-pit lignite mine into a giant pumped hydro storage in the late 2030s btw - with a capacity of 200 GWh. The company operating the mine (which also runs a bunch of powerplants - and pumped hydro storages) was originally "open to the idea" but after they had a look at the costs turned fairly solidly against it.

What's seen as the primary solution here is basically a distributed network of at-home batteries. There's currently 14 GWh installed, mostly due to people installing PV on their houses and generally buying batteries with them. Larger battery storage is mostly being installed by industry or at other attachment points for final distribution networks.

The reason why this is more profitable in general is due to the way network fees in the power network are structured legally here (after a restructuring about 10 years ago). Pumped hydro and other central network-side storage systems effectively count as both "final recipient" and "energy production", and hence pay certain fees on both input and output. Lobbyists for pumped hydro mostly want to see that changed.
I've heard about that project, very interesting, in general the topic of energy (and electricity production) will be essential for Europe's autonomy in the future.
I am personally convinced, after reading and studying (without implying that i'm an expert, just someone who likes to understand what's around him) that the best possible solution for the EU is to:
1) strenghten the EU continental power grid, standardizing and removing physical obstacles to energy flowing in the EU.
2) invest in renewables and storage, which allows for non-continuos but totally independent electricity generation, without overestimating renewables. They cannot replace programmable sources like oil, gas, coal or nuclear. You always need a base-load not dependant on wether the sky is sunny or the winds are blowing.
3) invest in nuclear power, both building large plants (like the newly built Olkiluoto, Flamanville,...) and SMRs/AMRs for more localized modular generation. AMRs would also allow to use nuclear waste as a fuel, which is very good.
Programs for SMRs and AMRs are already at an advanced stage: for example Newcleo will have a IVth gen precursor ready in 2026, a 30MW prototype ready in 2030 and a 300MW one in 2033.

It is essential for Europe to be as independent as possible from foreign fuel, otherwise you will always be vulnerable...
 
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