FC-1/JF-17 NO.04 will finish it's first test-fly in the end of April.

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AMITLCA said:
THERE YOU GO,YOU SEEM TO BE SENSIBLE.THATS THE RIGHT THINK TO SAY AT THIS MOMENT.THIS PICTURE LOOKS EXAGERATED
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relax man. even if it is exagerated, just look at the first picture. that shows u what the latest model looks like.
and by the the way plz don't write with Caps On. it's against forum rules;)
 
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are both countries getting the same airfraim or is pakistan getting something like prototype 03
 
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Big-E said:
Is it just me or does this look like a reverse-enginered F-16???
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Well it has some of the reckless design of the F-16 - making it a very good dogfighter, with added BVR and precision strike capability. It seemingly has a simplistic shape, thus resulting in easy and cheap maintenance like F-16. The shape would be a darling to expand sometime, just like the F-16A/B to F-16C/D. But is it reverse-engineered? I would not put it that far, if anything it is an F-16 influenced aircraft.
 
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meh said:
are both countries getting the same airfraim or is pakistan getting something like prototype 03
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Both countries are getting the same airframe. ie. the latest model. however, in the latar stages pakistan will use different avionics to that of which china would use. so same airframe but different onboard systems.
 
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Big-E said:
Is China going to use this as a replacement of there aging MIG-21s?
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most probably. any aging fighter aircraft in the PLAAF would get replaced by the FC-1. J-10's and Su-30's would act as front line fighters.
 
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China may only buy a few hundred. its main light weight fighter will be the J-10. China does not feel it need this plane.

And yes it is a reverse engineered version of f-16. It has a mirage 2000 style intake with a F-18 and F-16 mixed wing style.

So wats the final ticket price. i heard between 10-20 million before. so what is it?
 
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norinco89 said:
China may only buy a few hundred. its main light weight fighter will be the J-10. China does not feel it need this plane.

And yes it is a reverse engineered version of f-16. It has a mirage 2000 style intake with a F-18 and F-16 mixed wing style.

So wats the final ticket price. i heard between 10-20 million before. so what is it?
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10 million for a decent fourth generation fighter, not a bad deal. I thought it shared similiarities to an F-16. I guess this will be their big export money maker. You think it will kill sales of Irans indeginous fighter? The one that looks like an F-5.
 
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norinco89 said:
China may only buy a few hundred. its main light weight fighter will be the J-10. China does not feel it need this plane.

And yes it is a reverse engineered version of f-16. It has a mirage 2000 style intake with a F-18 and F-16 mixed wing style.

So wats the final ticket price. i heard between 10-20 million before. so what is it?
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How the hell can you the J-10 a light weight fighter:confused: . do a little more reasearch on the J-10's payload. china have said they they may buy upto 250 FC-1's for the light fighter role. the J-10 and Su-30's are in the heavy weight league if you talking about the PLAAF.

And saying that the JF-17 is a reverse engineered aircrfat. well what makes you say that with so much confidence???
 
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Big-E said:
10 million for a decent fourth generation fighter, not a bad deal. I thought it shared similiarities to an F-16. I guess this will be their big export money maker. You think it will kill sales of Irans indeginous fighter? The one that looks like an F-5.
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Speculated price for Export units is $10 to $15 million. Chinese version would be near $15million, while Pakistani might be $20million+ because of the western avionics. Offcourse prices are speculated and will very according to the configuration.

Abt Iranian fighter, I dont think Iran has put it in the export market yet and its progress and quality are unknown. JF-17 sale potential seems higher cause there are lot of countries flying Chinese F-7s. Those who are Chinese customers are listed as potential customers.

norinco89 said:
China may only buy a few hundred. its main light weight fighter will be the J-10. China does not feel it need this plane.
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China plans to induct from 200 FC-1s to 250. With PT-1 and PT-2, PLAAF was no that interested as both prototypes were way too inferior to J-10. But with PT-3, their interest grew and with PT-4 it is quite certain that PLAAF is to induct FC-1/JF-17.

norinco89 said:
And yes it is a reverse engineered version of f-16. It has a mirage 2000 style intake with a F-18 and F-16 mixed wing style.
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Thats the lamest thing I have herd of the project so far. Some features may have been adopted from F-16 because of the Pakistani involvement but by no means it is a reverese engineered F-16. Its intakes are by no angle similar to Mirage2000, but rather inspired by JSF. The F-18 like leading edges were added to have 2 more hardpoints. However, the wings in the pic are not correct.
 
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Do you guys know if there will be a two seater built of the jf-17 or will china and pakistan use some sort of trainer like the k-8 or something eles to fill the roll for traning pilots that will be flying the jf-17.
 
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meh said:
Do you guys know if there will be a two seater built of the jf-17 or will china and pakistan use some sort of trainer like the k-8 or something eles to fill the roll for traning pilots that will be flying the jf-17.
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There is a two seater version planned but no physical work has taken place on it so far I think ... may be just paper work. However, till the two-seater is ready, K-8 will be used for the JF-17 trainer.
 
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meh said:
Do you guys know if there will be a two seater built of the jf-17 or will china and pakistan use some sort of trainer like the k-8 or something eles to fill the roll for traning pilots that will be flying the jf-17.
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ha! how about this one?!
 
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norinco89

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Thats a no no. That trainer got russian engines. I guess they can always go for a worser chinese engine but still it got lots of russian parts.
 
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tphuang said:
hmm, L-15 export is not a problem. L-15 developer specifically mentionned exporting to PAF in an interview. Also, AI-222 is an Ukrainian engine. Ukraine has plenty of military cooperation with Pakistan.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/reference/Jet_Engines/Ukraine.htm
Imo, the LIFT in PAF needs to be replaced and L-15 would be a welcoming addition.
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Yeah, lot of space being cleared up for Trainers...oldies are going. PAF has also ordered 22 to 24 more K-8s. L-15 is probably the most impressive trainer from China, superior to K-8. Since PAF is in modernization phase and L-15 consists of modern chinese avionics, chances are pretty high. Pakistan seems to be becoming 1st hand importer of modern Chinese military technology, especially in the aviation department. But considering this is jf-17 thread, i think K-8 is good enough for JF-17 training. L-15 should be good enough for J-10 and up coming Chinese aircrafts. Since PAF buying j-10, L-15's purchase seems very much possible. As u said, Ukrain is no problem with Pakistan. Lot of deals with them like 600+ T-80 Tanks and Engines for Al-Khalid. Also working on SAAMs.
 
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