F-35B/C - Naval Air Discussions (USN & USMC)

colay1

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It's interesting to note that Tripoli will be 1 of the 2 America-class ships without a well deck. It's very much an F-35/V-22 focused ship, not the ship I'd be expecting to be used primarily to "transport Marines". It sounds a whole lot more like a way of operating F-35Bs in the area.
America and Tripoli are optimized for aviation-centric amphib warfare. They will feature a complement of approximately 1,800 Marines who just have a different way of getting to the fight.
 

SpazSinbad

Active Member
Day CarQuals for F-35C Instructors of VFA-101 in June 2016, Nov NIGHT

Day CarQuals for F-35C Instructors of VFA-101 in June 2016 & Night November.
Carrier Quals, CODs & Clippers
Rick Burgess Air International Magazine June 2016

"The US Navy’s F-35C Lightning II fleet replacement squadron (FRS) is scheduled for its first carrier qualifications in the new jet this June.

Strike Fighter Squadron 101 (VFA-101) ‘Grim Reapers’ based at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, is planning to send a carrier qualification (CQ) detachment to an aircraft carrier to conduct the first day qualifications for its instructor pilots. The squadron’s commanding officer, Captain James Christie, will be making his first F-35C carrier landings and catapult launches. Christie said the detachment is likely to include four F-35Cs, ten pilots and some maintenance personnel. He expects to send out another CQ detachment in November for both day and night carrier qualifications...."
 

colay1

Member
It's said that in times of crisis, the first question often asked is "where are our carriers?" Given the impressive capabilities of the F-35B that may soon change to "where are the Gators?" :D


From the linked article above:

With the United States Marine Corps purchasing the bulk of the Department of the Navy’s (DON) planned fleet of 680 Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, the service will likely form the dominant component of naval tactical aviation in the coming decades. The implication is that by the 2030s, it will be the Marine Corps’ aviation assets that will be projecting power deep into heavily defended airspace from the sea instead of the Navy’s full-sized flattops. Meanwhile, the Navy’s vaunted carrier air wings will still be dominated by fourth-generation Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet with a small number of F-35Cs supplementing them—leaving the $13 billion warships with limited ability to fight against high-end threats.
 

r3mu511

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in the vid at the 0:10 mark, why does the fuselage skin appear as "hot" as the engine exhaust? I understand air resistance would heat up the skin surface as it flies but would it appear as "hot" to the flir camera as the exhaust? the flir camera is able to discriminate the cooler temp of the cockpit canopy, but the camera makes it appear as if the fuselage skin is as "hot" as the exhaust... same thing happens in this flir vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2oS6EbdDUE) at around the 0:12 mark...
 

gf0012-aust

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in the vid at the 0:10 mark, why does the fuselage skin appear as "hot" as the engine exhaust? I understand air resistance would heat up the skin surface as it flies but would it appear as "hot" to the flir camera as the exhaust? the flir camera is able to discriminate the cooler temp of the cockpit canopy, but the camera makes it appear as if the fuselage skin is as "hot" as the exhaust... same thing happens in this flir vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2oS6EbdDUE) at around the 0:12 mark...
the vid at 0:12 is not FLIR imaging

I've worked on FLIR and with that company (FLIR) for a project re aircraft and separately for ground forces. That slice of imagery is not FLIR generated
 

r3mu511

New Member
^Ah ok, how about in theaviationist.com vid, at around the 0:10 mark? is that not thermal imaging either? if not thermal, what sort of imaging method is that? is that just some sort of "negative" image (ie. similar to a pic negative back when picture film rolls were still used)?
 

gf0012-aust

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^Ah ok, how about in theaviationist.com vid, at around the 0:10 mark? is that not thermal imaging either? if not thermal, what sort of imaging method is that? is that just some sort of "negative" image (ie. similar to a pic negative back when picture film rolls were still used)?
same deal, its not FLIR imaging. its box magic not FLIR
 

gf0012-aust

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got it, thanks... got confused and thought it was thermal as well b/c an "IR" icon was being flashed in the lower left of the vid image...
I had a crack at educating some of the idiots who had commented on the youtube footage but FLIR have ended up pulling the vid under copywrite anyway

there are no shortages of "defence experts" on youtube.....

that place is just full of opinionated morons....
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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I had a crack at educating some of the idiots who had commented on the youtube footage but FLIR have ended up pulling the vid under copywrite anyway

there are no shortages of "defence experts" on youtube.....

that place is just full of opinionated morons....
Almost as many experts as facebook, someone posted a story about F-35 IOC and all the usual suspect came out of the woodwork. It takes a special kind of moron to make the sort of comments all too many of them make, one was even making analogies about 10mm ring spanners being superior at loosening 10mm bolts than a shifting spanner would be therefore the F-35 is a piece of junk !!!!!!!. FMD!
 

SpazSinbad

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PHOTO: http://www.combataircraft.net/wp-co...750_10154394705227398_46555444849006484_o.jpg

“A series of photos posted by the US Navy this afternoon have depicted that the DT-III period of sea trials for the F-35C Lightning II are under way. Jets from VX-23 ‘Salty Dogs’ and VFA-101 ‘Grim Reapers’ have embarked the USS George Washington in the Atlantic for the third period of sea trials for the carrier variant (CV) of the F-35. They are thought to have embarked on Sunday August 14. Photos by US Navy/MCS2C Kris R. Lindstrom”

Back to the boat – DT-III starts for F-35C | Combat Aircraft
 

ADMk2

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StobieWan

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I spent about six months repeating the phrase "it's a bent bit of metal, they'll fix it, it's not rocket science"

And guess what...
 

gf0012-aust

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Pulled from a sister site...

Navy F-35C Landed So Precisely, It Tore Up a Runway


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Before seven of the Navy’s carrier-variant F-35 Joint Strike Fighters embarked aboard the carrier USS George Washington for a third and final round of developmental testing, they completed a required ashore training period, practicing landings at Choctaw Naval Outlying Field near Pensacola, Florida.

The landings went well — maybe a little too well.

“They were landing in the same spot on the runway every time, tearing up where the hook touches down,” Vice Adm. Mike Shoemaker, head of Naval Air Forces, told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., on Thursday. “So we quickly realized, we needed to either fix the runway or adjust, put some variants in the system. So that’s how precise this new system is.”

The new system in question is called Delta Flight Path, a built-in F-35C technology that controls glide slope and minimizes the number of variables pilots must monitor as they complete arrested carrier landings. A parallel system known as MAGIC CARPET, short for Maritime Augmented Guidance with Integrated Controls for Carrier Approach and Recovery Precision Enabling Technologies, is being developed for use with the Navy’s F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets and EA-18G Growlers. Together, these systems may allow carriers to operate with fewer tankers, leaving more room for other aircraft, Shoemaker said.

Military.com reported on the implications of this new landing technology from the carrier George Washington earlier this week, as the first operational pilot-instructors with Strike Fighter Squadron 101, out of Oceana, Virginia, began daytime carrier qualifications on the aircraft. On Thursday, Shoemaker had an update on the ongoing carrier tests.

Of about 100 F-35C arrested landings were completed on the carrier, he said, 80 percent engaged the No. 3 wire, meaning the aircraft had touched down at the ideal spot. As of Monday, there had been zero so-called bolters, when the aircraft misses an arresting wire and must circle the carrier for another attempt.

“I think that’s going to give us the ability to look at the way we work up and expand the number of sorties. I think it will change the way we operate around the ship … in terms of the number of tankers you have to have up, daytime and nighttime,” he said. “I think that will give us a lot of flexibility in the air wing in the way we use those strike fighters.”

Tankers, or in-air refueling aircraft, must be ready when aircraft make arrested landings in case they run low on fuel during landing attempts. Fewer bolters, therefore, means a reduced tanker requirement.

“Right now, we configure maybe six to eight tankers aboard the ship,” Shoemaker said. “I don’t think we need … that many. That will give us flexibility on our strike fighter numbers, increase the Growler numbers, which I know we’re going to do, and probably E-2D [Advanced Hawkeye carrier-launched radar aircraft] as well.”

The F-35C’s last developmental testing phase is set to wrap up Aug. 23. MAGIC CARPET is expected to be introduced to the fleet in 2019, officials have said.
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