F-16s no threat to IAF: Air Marshal Bhavnani

[highsea]

We've been using JDAM's for several years. It's probably the #1 PGM. The JDAM is a (relatively) cheap tailkit that can be fitted to unguided bombs to give them GPS guidance.

I'm not sure what show you saw, the US has 3 Iowa Class Battleships, but they are in ready reserve, not active service. What you probably saw was a test of GPS guided shells, not JDAM's. This is something we are working on, but they are not in service yet.

Some stuff about BB's:

It can throw about 26,000 lbs. of HE in a single salvo. One Battleship has more firepower than the entire B-52 fleet. It can deliver the same amount of tonnage in one hour that the B-52 fleet can deliver in 7 days of 24/7 operations.

Every 30 seconds just one Iowa class battleship firing only it's primary guns can put 24,300lbs(11,046Kg) of steel on target. That's 5,832,000 lbs. of steel (2,650,909Kg) in just two hours. That's the equivelant firepower of about 10 carrier air wings, and that's not even including it's TLAMs or 5" guns.

A rocket assisted 16" shell can fire out to 50 nm., and an 11" rocket assisted sabot round can go 90nm. With GPS guidance, they don't miss.

This is what one looks like when it's pissed off.

15 Gun Broadside(9, 16 inch guns and 6, 5 inch guns).

/hijack off

 

[SABRE]

No m prety sure it was about JDAMs...U know fox writes the topic at the bottom of the screen. It said "USAF tests JDAMs on (some) Battle Ship"....
they showed a video in which an aircraft bombed a battle ship ( I wasnt saying that USNavy tested JDAM's on their battleship) By "on the battle ship" I ment that the battle ship was a guniepig in the test.
Video showed the battle ship being completely destroyed by US Fighters.

Now I dont clearly know what it was all about but its odd that some one like u missed it.

 

[highsea]

Now I dont clearly know what it was all about but its odd that some one like u missed it.

I don't watch tv. Don't even own one. :

I misunderstood you, I thought you were referring to the DARPA GPS guided shells for ships guns.

Anyway the stuff on tv, well they are just doing a story, so they might call it something new even if it's been around for a while. We've been using JDAM's since 1998. We used them in Yugoslavia and GW2.

To use them on an earlier F-16, the AC has to have a GPS/INS upgrade. I believe the Belgian planes all got this with their MLU, so they should be good to go.

 

[SABRE]

So F-16 Block 50 & 60 already have GPS/INS. So if we get Block 50 it will be able to use JDAMs & if we get Belgiun they too will be able to do so.
Anyone got any thing on PAF F-16s getting GPS/INS upgrade?

Highsea, Man give me a link of JDAMs will ya?

 

[gf0012-aust]

No m prety sure it was about JDAMs...U know fox writes the topic at the bottom of the screen. It said "USAF tests JDAMs on (some) Battle Ship"....
they showed a video in which an aircraft bombed a battle ship ( I wasnt saying that USNavy tested JDAM's on their battleship) By "on the battle ship" I ment that the battle ship was a guniepig in the test.
Video showed the battle ship being completely destroyed by US Fighters.

Now I dont clearly know what it was all about but its odd that some one like u missed it.

Sabre, I regularly see news reports where Journo's call frigates "battleships"

they have no idea. No battleships (as in BB's) are used in shock and weapons tests are they are all national treasure listings or are in naval museums.

it's editorial incompetence at work again.

 

[highsea]

The PAF F-16's would get the upgrade with the MLU (as long as they were approved). It's part of the standard package.

Joint Direct Attack Munition:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/missiles/jdam/jdam_back.htm

 

[SABRE]

Sabre, I regularly see news reports where Journo's call frigates "battleships"

they have no idea. No battleships (as in BB's) are used in shock and weapons tests are they are all national treasure listings or are in naval museums.

it's editorial incompetence at work again.

ya could be a frigate, m still confussed on that report for various reasons. 1st as u say who destroys battleships, hack I dont know y u wana destroy a frigate. Than the news says that USAF tested it on battleship for the 1st time while Highsea says they have been using since 1998.

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Hay Highsea may be we jumped off a bit. I think wat they ment was that USAF used it first time on a naval strike test or Air to Sea test. MAy be since 1998 they have only used it in air to land not sea not on naval ships.

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[highsea]

Hay Highsea may be we jumped off a bit. I think wat they ment was that USAF used it first time on a naval strike test or Air to Sea test. MAy be since 1998 they have only used it in air to land not sea not on naval ships.

That's very possible, AFAIK we have never used it to attack sea based targets. Since it is GPS guided, it's a lot harder to hit something that's moving. Usually we use LGB's for moving targets.

 

[gf0012-aust]

That's very possible, AFAIK we have never used it to attack sea based targets. Since it is GPS guided, it's a lot harder to hit something that's moving. Usually we use LGB's for moving targets.

When the RAAF F-111's "attack" US Carriers in exercises, they use Pavetacked LGB's.

IIRC though the USAF did conduct JDAM slots on some moving targets only in the last few weeks. I can't find the test details amongst my notes though.

 

[highsea]

Are they doing position updates via datalink?

I know we can take targeting data from an AESA equipped AC and transfer it to the JDAM, so theoretically updates are possible if the AC stays in communication with the GBU after release.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Are they doing position updates via datalink?

I know we can take targeting data from an AESA equipped AC and transfer it to the JDAM, so theoretically updates are possible if the AC stays in communication with the GBU after release.

AFAIK yes, I know that in the most recent "theoretical", the F-111's managed to "slot" the Stennis in a very active reception environment.

 

[doggychow14]

Without being to impartial it is palpable to suggest that the IAF will beat the PAF in any conflict, in my own views I feel this ? Why, because the Indian air force has an overall superiority - SU-30MKI with AA-12 Adder!!! , PAF should get its F-16, India shouldnt worry about jack!!!

AA-12 adder can be countered with AIM-120, SD-10, etc. IMHO i believe the outcome of an air conflict would decided on the battleground it is fault over. If it is faught in Pakistani airspace, i would have to give the nod to Pakistan. If it were in Indian airspace, i'd give India the nod. I am wondering if the US decides to sell f16s will pakistan go through with the deal or look at other offers? I believe that an f-16 is a serious threat to any airforce.

 

[adsH]

SAAB throughing in missiles wiith Gripen is secondry question the primary question is, is SAAB or rather say Sweden throughing Gripen to us?

who wouldn't want to sell billions dollars worth of equipment to a foreign country which would pay in cash. and then charge them for spares for the duration of the equipments lifeline. There is no doubt that SAAB wants to sell, and the Swedish government has approved the sale too for the grippen its the american govt that has to approve the Powerplant Parts and the various tech found in the jet that belong to the US including its main weaponry the AIM-120, so if PAF buys new F-16 they would get the AIM-120 and SWEDEN would no longer have to ask for permission to sell the same weapon to PAF.

 

[ajay_ijn]

AA-12 adder can be countered with AIM-120, SD-10, etc. IMHO i believe the outcome of an air conflict would decided on the battleground it is fault over. If it is faught in Pakistani airspace, i would have to give the nod to Pakistan. If it were in Indian airspace, i'd give India the nod.

True both AA-12 and AIM-120 have same capability.
But its not the only BVR missile in IAF.
The main BVR Missile for IAF would be AA-10 Alamos which has 3 versions of range 40km,70km and 130km and Matra Super530D of range 40km.

F-16 would be more effective in SEAD Missions than fighting in air with Indian fighters.
Its Jammers can Jam Ground Based RADAR.
It is the Electronics In F-16 that worries IAF not when fighting with their fighters.

 

[SABRE]

IIRC though the USAF did conduct JDAM slots on some moving targets only in the last few weeks. I can't find the test details amongst my notes though.

Last few weeks ! than its the same test I m refering to, possibly.

who wouldn't want to sell billions dollars worth of equipment to a foreign country which would pay in cash. and then charge them for spares for the duration of the equipments lifeline. There is no doubt that SAAB wants to sell, and the Swedish government has approved the sale too for the grippen its the american govt that has to approve the Powerplant Parts and the various tech found in the jet that belong to the US including its main weaponry the AIM-120, so if PAF buys new F-16 they would get the AIM-120 and SWEDEN would no longer have to ask for permission to sell the same weapon to PAF.

Its a realy odd purchase system. Anyways why buy whole F-16 for AIM-120 , why not AIM-120 alone it self. We r MNNA & I think US would feel lot easier to sell us weapon system than AirCraft. We should rather buy AIM-120 from US & Gripens from Sweden. But yes than again we need secondry frontliner as well & what could be better secondry front liner than F-16s to PAF, specialy when they r Block 50 C/D with AMRAAMs, RDAMs & JDAMs.


How do u put an F-16s Block 50+ C/D with AIM-120,AMRAAMs,RDAMs & JDAMs etc against IAF. Would it be threat than. Also adding the world class PAF viper Pilot on board.

 

[highsea]

What's an RDAM?

 

[SABRE]

What's an RDAM?

I have no idea my self. Seen it on alot of websites specialy forums where ppl r discussing F-16s. I think I saw RDAM writen around here on DT some where as well. I thought it was member of JDAM family.
Check on it if u can.

 

[ajay_ijn]

How do u put an F-16s Block 50+ C/D with AIM-120,AMRAAMs,RDAMs & JDAMs etc against IAF. Would it be threat than. Also adding the world class PAF viper Pilot on board.

AiM-120 and AMRAAM is the same Missile.
Its unlikely that US will give JDAMs to Pakistan and also the F-16 Block 50 with AIM-120.
If they get it will be not a problem for Su-30MKI armed with AA-12 adder and AA-10 Alamos.
But will be a problem for Mig-29 and Mirage-2000.
The advantage of JDAM would be its cheap and can be dropped at high altitudes to avoid SAM's.
But PAF mission is air-defence.
Even the air-surface weapons of IAF are very long range like Kh-31 has two versions of ranges 70km and 200km,the Kh-59 has two verions of range 50km and 200km and Mantra ARMAT of 120km.
Besides IAF has Isreali and French LASER targeting pods and LASER guided bombs.

 

[highsea]

What's an RDAM?

I have no idea my self. Seen it on alot of websites specialy forums where ppl r discussing F-16s. I think I saw RDAM writen around here on DT some where as well. I thought it was member of JDAM family.
Check on it if u can.

I'll give the same answer the hillbilly gave when he went to the zoo and saw the giraffe:

"There ain't no sich animal!"

 

[SABRE]

What's an RDAM?

I have no idea my self. Seen it on alot of websites specialy forums where ppl r discussing F-16s. I think I saw RDAM writen around here on DT some where as well. I thought it was member of JDAM family.
Check on it if u can.

I'll give the same answer the hillbilly gave when he went to the zoo and saw the giraffe:

"There ain't no such animal!"

good one.
This Hillbilly will take the word from zoo keeper.