Er, they chose 2 Western systems (Phalcon and Erieye) for their AWAC's solution.
Phalcon flies on IL-76. All structural tests were done in Russia and it has mix of avionics from various countries. It is not Erieye but there own indigenous system. u have to consider Russia didnot offer anything in this class. The only thing is MTA. but it will come later.
There is no new offering from Antonov in this class. Only thing is An-70 but it is in development stage. It is limited order for special operations. Not fleet wide upgrade of tactical airlift.
Yeah i am waiting for seeing anything substantial just like Jaquar and M2K/Sea harrier purchases of 1980s.
Well the only thing to happen after the 80s were the customized Su-30s, the news reports suggest that IAF was looking for buying 126 Mirage2ks and that started the whole MMRCA, which was dragged along till even the Mirage2k went out of production.
That's a misleading view. When you contrast Russian vs Western, you seem to imply that Russia in terms of aviation is a viable alternative to the combined France, pan-Europe (Typhoon), Sweden, and USA. It's not. That distinction, a rather artificial one at this point in time, does not provide anything of value. What it would make much more sense is to contrast American bids vs Russian bids for example. Even then I would argue that the comparison lacks validity since the two American bids are presented by rival companies, while our policy of consolidation, has left Russia with a single United Aircraft Corporation. In any event there is no doubt that India is doing everything it can to get multiple sources for it's defense industry, in order to prevent price hikes, and political limitations on the deals, as well as to be able to get a better deal.
The distinction is still valid because Eastern, ie Russian - to be truthful Soviet because they haven't developed anything new since 1991 - is built to a different technology standard than 'western'. However the stuff from the west is designed to NATO standards of quality and interoperability. While the Israelis make a killing offering E to W conversions there are significant differences across a range of levels harking back to the different Soviet and NATO operational requirements.
Russia still has a hope with India through the civil side of defence procurement. While the Indian services want western gear and are proud of their leadership role within the India of pushing the country closer to the west many of the civil servants are still very much of the old 'neutral' mindset and in favour of Russian equipment. Also since the Russians are happy to give away all the old Soviet IP in order to gain cash (as with China) they offer a range of attractive technology transfers. Of course you get what you pay for.
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Thats what i want see where which is different than what was different from 60 to 80s. when French/British systems dominated IAF. IAF bought Hawk but they also gave money to Saturn for AL-55 that will be usefull for there own IJT/AJT.
Israels had access to Western semiconductor fabs since 80s and those were not present in East Asia at those times. So naturally IAF has to go with Israeli systems. Now every advances semiconductor is bult in Taiwan/SK or China. and new fabs are going online in Russia as Western EU are bankrupt. Thats why in future systems Russian electronics are way better. Where u think follow up EW systems of Su-35 that India is so impressed.
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India has long standing contracts across all services with Russia and Russia would remain the largest source of advance military technology untill 2020.
So what's the important part in an AWACS? The radar or the airframe?
100x BAE Hawk Mk 132 lead in fighter jet trainer isn't substantial?
Clearly the airframe. How many companies in the World that can provide high power engines , large airframes modification for several tonnes antenna in the World.? Ever thought Why A-50 exist in PLAAF but they can produce hundreds of turboprop aircrafts of there own. U have to wake Radar is not big deal. It is the large military specification grade aircraft thats what matter.So what's the important part in an AWACS? The radar or the airframe?
Airframe certification was done along with new engines and extended range/MTOW. As i said when India negotiate this contract semiconductors were not built. It takes a decade usually for India to negotiate the contract.
Yes after 20 years of negotiation.
$1B is spread over how many years if it is signed. u cannot compare the licenses production of several thousands tanks, Smerch MLRS, Tuguska, Club systems. Every thing is at different level. Israel merely take the place of Western EU. It is not addition of Western of Western Equipment.
Why there is no follow up after Green Pine? As i said Israel took advantage in 90s but that door is closing very soon as every one is now good at semiconductors. Even India is making there own AWACS.
Compare this to several thousands of all kinds of AAMs. Just R-73 alone reaches 4000. I am not going into PGMs. why R-73 was fired from LCA?
Because u made an opinion based on 6000hrs ex-IAF official. I have clearly shown that those decisions are not based on some one opinion. There is large scale give and take between nations. There is no such thing as moving from one kind of equipment to another just like Australlia cannot move away from Boeing despite tremendous dissapointment with Wedgetial and 787 delay for Qantas.
nfloorl:You can't be serious? Is this a wind up? Its very funny.
Bad example using Boeing.
You mean apart from Boeing, Airbus, Saab, Embraer, Northrop Grumman, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Lockheed Martin and of course, Ilyushin?
As I said earlier. Russia built an airlifter. Good for them. What a stunning technical achievement.
And? They chose the Western trainer, despite the bulk of their "current" fleet comprising Russian designed aircraft.
The C-130J-30's are due to be delivered from 2011 onwards. Such a figure doesn't include the support costs for such an aircraft fleet. Such is typically many times as much as the original purchase price...
SPYDER isn't a follow-up?
LCA. That's the indigenous aircraft utilising General Electric F-404 engines, isn't it?
I very much doubt that. Our Minister has demonstrated an ability to do this with Boeing already, with JP-129 our Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle program, which Boeing WON, but then subsequently lost because it couldn't deliver as promised...
If you feel that the airframe is the important aspect of an AWAC or AEW/AEW&C system, then it would seem you lack a fundamental grasp of the aircraft modification industry.
no, you made some internally profound jump in logic and came to your own conclusion.