EU vs Russia who would win in this scenario.?

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d1ms

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about tanks: There are at least 9700 T-72 which been modernized (not all)

reference: The Military Balance 2007 / C. Langton. — London: Routlege / The International Institute for Strategic Studies, 2007. — P. 196. — ISBN 1-85743-437-4.

it is more than any other countly in the world (do not beleive wiki)

also, Russia has 1500 T-80, ~400 T-90 and so on.

Then U.S. started to build Abrams M1, it has less armor than old T-62/64. New M1A2 was introduced in 1992, originally US wanted 3000 of them, then reduced it to 1809 because of Soviet Union collapce. Then reduced this number to 122, but finally build only 62(!!) machines. Therefore, most of US tanks is outdated M1 and M1A1 variants.
They are 20 years old, how many rusted out nobody really counted.
Of course, some M1A1 would be modernized up to M1A2, but same amount (in fact, almost twice more) Russian tanks is also will be modernized. For eample, in 2006 Russia modernized 180 tanks.

By the way, Abrams is too heavy and will just stuck in Russian soil, not mention will fail to cross most EU rivers - bridges is not strong enough...
Abrams has very good front armor, but lacks it from read and from the sides (remember Iraq). It is also much bigger tank (bigger target) and usually do not fire while moving (normal practice for Russian tanks).
Let's add gun launched Russian rockets, which can fly up to 8 km; Abrams doesn't have such capability, therefore, it might never came to firing range at all.

I did not even started wtih tanks+artilery taktic (remember, Russia has way more artillery) when Abrams will suffer additional fire. There are ways to neutralize it's superiority with heat seeking devices and so on.

It is way more complicated guys, then just read wiki, compare 2 numbers and beleive you now Gods :)

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d1ms

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But they do. Systems like this
SAMP/T - Thales Group
this is no match to S-400, at glance. SAMP/T can shut down TBM of 600 km range. S-400 can shut down miscile, travelling up to 2500 m/second (!!) which would assume thousand km range.

S-400 - is big complex with several radars, firing machines and so on. It can shut down everything, from little unmanned aicraftt to balistic miscile European range.

it has Operational range - 400 kilometres . Guys, there are nothing like that.

You showed me picture of Pantsyr like SAM complex. S-400 is big brother of Patriot-PAC3 which EU just can not design.


is being rolled out faster than S-400 and when it gets time to replace Patriot with MEADS, this will also be rolled out faster.

Iskander? See GMLRS type
in Russia systems like that been developed in 1980s and called "Tochka". Iskander has 10 times more range + quazibalistic + low flying + random traectory which no other miscile in the world can match. Not mention it do not rely on satelites to be highly acurate, and can penetrate almost any air defence.

You surely know a little about Russia which you "almost conquered" :):):)
 

d1ms

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EU naval AAW systems, like US counterparts, are tested against Mach 2.8+ targets - thanks to Russia providing the necessary missiles for that no less.
tested? really? Because Russians give you flying targets? :)
Because you incapable to build 3M smart misciles yourself?

Now you can really relax.

P.S. did you see the video of another Russian miscile, the one which fly high, seek the ship, fly to it, aim, and then ... dive into water and became a "torpedo"? it is no youtube somewhere

P.P.S. to amuse you more, google "shkval", it is another high speed underwater miscile, which been exported for many years but even US failed to reproduce its design
 

Grand Danois

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this is no match to S-400, at glance. SAMP/T can shut down TBM of 600 km range. S-400 can shut down miscile, travelling up to 2500 m/second (!!) which would assume thousand km range.

S-400 - is big complex with several radars, firing machines and so on. It can shut down everything, from little unmanned aicraftt to balistic miscile European range.

it has Operational range - 400 kilometres . Guys, there are nothing like that.
Operational range? LOL!

You showed me picture of Pantsyr like SAM complex.
No that is a system that is equally effective inside its footprint. EU/US doesn't see the need for ultra-LR SAMs - they're very weak at the far end of the envelope. Better get a shorter ranged, more lethal one. It's always an issue of targeting and S-400 doesn't detect anything airborne at 400 km.


S-400 is big brother of Patriot-PAC3 which EU just can not design.
Uhm... MEADS is a Euro-US design.

How many S-400 has been deployed?

in Russia systems like that been developed in 1980s and called "Tochka". Iskander has 10 times more range + quazibalistic + low flying + random traectory which no other miscile in the world can match. Not mention it do not rely on satelites to be highly acurate, and can penetrate almost any air defence.

You surely know a little about Russia which you "almost conquered" :):):)
Quasi-ballistic trajectory doesn't give any advantage against a point-defended target. Only against crossing shots.
 
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