Discussion of invading u.s.a n strategies
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there are SOPs on this.Bfn42 said:
Std policy in the past was
- team assigned to protect tank from scavengers (GW1 and GW2 procedures)
- secure the tank whilst stripping it
- if unable to be secured, then all sophisticated technology must be removed
- tank is to then be destroyed if it cannot be recovered.
- destruction is to include thermites and assisted propellants
- destruction by any other heavy gun platforms
- air strike (usually maverick equiped air)
- if tank was recoverable then it was to be a framed and towed away
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/US-Field-Manuals/abrams-oif.pdf
10th page right? They carry out the procedures like that?
10th page right? They carry out the procedures like that?
Michael RVR
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shadow_crescent I'd be curious to know what your objectives for an invasion of the mainland US would be.
While I don't believe that invading forces would be ultimately successful in occupying the US, they may be able to achieve some limited goals such as destroying infrastructure, affecting freedom of movement, etc.
I think you may need to narrow the scope of this a little bit
While I don't believe that invading forces would be ultimately successful in occupying the US, they may be able to achieve some limited goals such as destroying infrastructure, affecting freedom of movement, etc.
I think you may need to narrow the scope of this a little bit
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basically, but its also a bit more complex than that.Bfn42 said:
RubiconNZ
The Wanderer
Invasion USA
I believe a rather realistic account is given in Eric L Harrys Invasion, sure its fiction but look at some of the Military fiction that came true Dale Browns storming heaven and Tom Clancys Executive Orders, its nearly as if Al Qaida copied there plan out of it, anyway I digress, establishment of a Blue water navy by China, securing of the persian gulf and Spratly oil supplies through treaty or force, achevable, the Book refers to Pakistan allying with China to defeat India, not implausable, once with these and a blue water superiority, give China 15 years of continued access to tech, and a entrance strategy of the Gulf of Mexico, and followed by West Coast invasion once Haiwai has been subdued. Comments? Totally unrealistic? I dont think so but I would love to hear what others think.
I believe a rather realistic account is given in Eric L Harrys Invasion, sure its fiction but look at some of the Military fiction that came true Dale Browns storming heaven and Tom Clancys Executive Orders, its nearly as if Al Qaida copied there plan out of it, anyway I digress, establishment of a Blue water navy by China, securing of the persian gulf and Spratly oil supplies through treaty or force, achevable, the Book refers to Pakistan allying with China to defeat India, not implausable, once with these and a blue water superiority, give China 15 years of continued access to tech, and a entrance strategy of the Gulf of Mexico, and followed by West Coast invasion once Haiwai has been subdued. Comments? Totally unrealistic? I dont think so but I would love to hear what others think.
abramsteve
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The main problem I see with an invasion of the US would logistical. Think of the massive numbers of troopships, supply ships, amphibs,and then the things needed to support them like the fleet tenders/oilers, the shipyards, drydocks to build and support them etc...
Not to mention the fact that to steam a fleet to the US isnt goin to be a stealthy exercise, which means the need for Naval supremecy.Airlifting would require Air supremecy wich would mean either extreme range fighters or a large number of at least Nimitz size carriers.....
As far as I can see actually invading and capturing the US would be academic like, but having the ability to is just too extreme. Not even another country with the same size armed forces as the US could do such a thing.
Not to mention the fact that to steam a fleet to the US isnt goin to be a stealthy exercise, which means the need for Naval supremecy.Airlifting would require Air supremecy wich would mean either extreme range fighters or a large number of at least Nimitz size carriers.....
As far as I can see actually invading and capturing the US would be academic like, but having the ability to is just too extreme. Not even another country with the same size armed forces as the US could do such a thing.
If a physical invasion of the US is the main game - then you can basically only achieve that by coming through canada or mexico.
somewhere, somehow you need to establish logistics hubs - and unless the entire coastal battlespace is denied, and all force elements neutralised, then you are swimming upstream.
an amphib or airborne invasion will not have sufficient mass to overwhelm and then sustain and hold ground.
somewhere, somehow you need to establish logistics hubs - and unless the entire coastal battlespace is denied, and all force elements neutralised, then you are swimming upstream.
an amphib or airborne invasion will not have sufficient mass to overwhelm and then sustain and hold ground.
abramsteve
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I cant get over the awesome size of a naval force that would be needed even to support such a thing. Imgine having to move supplys and reinforcements from say China!!!! Think of the size of the convoys!!!! Think of the number of escorts needed, especially the ASW ones!!!!! Even if they had captured Guam and Midway and Hawaii.... the massive numbers impress me just to think about them!
Did any of you guys see Red Dawn?
In the movie, all the latin american coutries went in from the south.
meanwhile the cubans came in from the east coast.
then the russians from the north and west.
they engaged in a limited nuclear war. most major cities were destroyed.
a effective way to harm united states are of course nukes and sabotage
imagine a e bomb going off near all the major cities. imagien the chaos of managing tens of millions of angry people
In the movie, all the latin american coutries went in from the south.
meanwhile the cubans came in from the east coast.
then the russians from the north and west.
they engaged in a limited nuclear war. most major cities were destroyed.
a effective way to harm united states are of course nukes and sabotage
imagine a e bomb going off near all the major cities. imagien the chaos of managing tens of millions of angry people
Except we will be able to tell where the bombs come from from radiation samples. What then for the country who supplied them?
Mexico couldn't even invade itself. And an amphibious invading armada would be slaughtered en route, "probably before it even left its territorial waters".
No, terrorism is the only way to hurt us. And if a terrorist group set off a nuke in one of our cities I guarantee you we would go positively ape! We would just start shooting under the assumption that wiping out all the terror supporting nations will probably take care of the problem.
We'd probably destroy Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Large parts of them at least. Weve used them before you know:jump
Mexico couldn't even invade itself. And an amphibious invading armada would be slaughtered en route, "probably before it even left its territorial waters".
No, terrorism is the only way to hurt us. And if a terrorist group set off a nuke in one of our cities I guarantee you we would go positively ape! We would just start shooting under the assumption that wiping out all the terror supporting nations will probably take care of the problem.
We'd probably destroy Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Large parts of them at least. Weve used them before you know:jump
manofpeace
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Biggest advantage that US has is it's neighbours it does not have threats on its border imagine if russia or china was US neighbour what kind of secnario it would have been. US would have forgotten about the world and worried about itself. US is lucky that it is situated away from all the troubled landsof the world.
Michael RVR
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Oh i see, so we should dig through the planet ?
I don't know why you all are thinking so conventionally, thinking that the jumping off points have to be outside the mainland US.
Surely there are enough guns available that an invading 'army' would not have to bring their own ?
I think some outside the box thinking is in order, and i'll say again that we need some objectives. What do you want to accomplish from your invasion ?
How much hardware can we assume is available? This could be really interesting if we kept it in perspective.
I don't know why you all are thinking so conventionally, thinking that the jumping off points have to be outside the mainland US.
Surely there are enough guns available that an invading 'army' would not have to bring their own ?
I think some outside the box thinking is in order, and i'll say again that we need some objectives. What do you want to accomplish from your invasion ?
How much hardware can we assume is available? This could be really interesting if we kept it in perspective.
Stryker001
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That is possiblity in the future as we smash their terror networks and training camps, they will find it harder to recruit cell members.Terrorism is a crime and criminals avoid detection to protect their criminality this trend can be seen in the Madrid cell a key player was a criminal who had been recruited.kostas-zochios said:
Perhaps the best way is to use terror powers on the criminals to prevent this occurring in the future.:grab
ThunderBolt
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my little story
Invading US is not as easy as some might think, and it’s not that hard either. The only way that I can think of is to start by sabotage, it doesn’t have to be terrorist acts, such as destruction of civilians, or destroying homes, but it can start as easily as by just destroying the electricity transfers (oh wait this might be considered a terrorist act) or here is a better one, some sort of attack on the major dams and nuclear power plants now this would not be easy but a highly trained splinter cell could do it.
Just imagine when the power is out (perhaps for ever), at least in most of the country (because US also receives power from Canada, and that would mean destroying the Canadian hydro plants) there would chaos, that means no lighting at night, no surveillance and one main thing, no more computers. Considering that in today’s life style, especially here in Canada it would be almost impossible to get things done without a computer, sure there are laptops, hand-helds and batteries but they won’t last for ever. Alright, so this way the crime rate goes way way up and now they got another major problem on there hands. And then comes the banks, raids on the banks no more money no more problems, this might not work that much since most people use debit cards, and the machines that run them work with the “electricity”. At this point the attacking country or countries (ohh this is even more scarier the thought of “countries”) would have to have an extremely organized network, using guerilla tactics and the weapons available inside the US would mean that they would still be unknown. What comes next is the destruction of roads and ways of transportation, so when something goes wrong the law would have no routes on the ground to reach the spot at least on time, the only way in would be through the air, but wait now since these attackers have a proper network I am pretty sure they can make use of some stingers. Soon the country will be in chaos and in a state of civil war, and this might mean the deployment of US National guards, making matters worse.
Killing innocent civilians isn’t the only way to terrorize, there are others! Now just wait for some time and let the country break apart, just like the Iraq is now breaking apart, and exactly what happened to Somalia (well sort of). Soon the country will be ready to be invaded by the “almighty” army!
The thing is that I just can’t think of a reason for a country to send there troops to the US and try to actually physically invade and risk losing troops and money, while instead they can just send in more of “these splinter cells” and just add more fuel to the fire that would have enveloped the country making the matters worse. But if something like this happens than that means that Canada might be there next victim because of the alliance which is not good.
P.S: I know that I have over exaggerated some of this stuff but I believe that everything is possible, which means that this could happen or this also means that the US will be able to take care of this and there would be no civil war and those who tried to harm the US will be taken care of. By the way if someone makes a movie with this stuff happening in it that would be something quite interesting to watch.
Invading US is not as easy as some might think, and it’s not that hard either. The only way that I can think of is to start by sabotage, it doesn’t have to be terrorist acts, such as destruction of civilians, or destroying homes, but it can start as easily as by just destroying the electricity transfers (oh wait this might be considered a terrorist act) or here is a better one, some sort of attack on the major dams and nuclear power plants now this would not be easy but a highly trained splinter cell could do it.
Just imagine when the power is out (perhaps for ever), at least in most of the country (because US also receives power from Canada, and that would mean destroying the Canadian hydro plants) there would chaos, that means no lighting at night, no surveillance and one main thing, no more computers. Considering that in today’s life style, especially here in Canada it would be almost impossible to get things done without a computer, sure there are laptops, hand-helds and batteries but they won’t last for ever. Alright, so this way the crime rate goes way way up and now they got another major problem on there hands. And then comes the banks, raids on the banks no more money no more problems, this might not work that much since most people use debit cards, and the machines that run them work with the “electricity”. At this point the attacking country or countries (ohh this is even more scarier the thought of “countries”) would have to have an extremely organized network, using guerilla tactics and the weapons available inside the US would mean that they would still be unknown. What comes next is the destruction of roads and ways of transportation, so when something goes wrong the law would have no routes on the ground to reach the spot at least on time, the only way in would be through the air, but wait now since these attackers have a proper network I am pretty sure they can make use of some stingers. Soon the country will be in chaos and in a state of civil war, and this might mean the deployment of US National guards, making matters worse.
Killing innocent civilians isn’t the only way to terrorize, there are others! Now just wait for some time and let the country break apart, just like the Iraq is now breaking apart, and exactly what happened to Somalia (well sort of). Soon the country will be ready to be invaded by the “almighty” army!
The thing is that I just can’t think of a reason for a country to send there troops to the US and try to actually physically invade and risk losing troops and money, while instead they can just send in more of “these splinter cells” and just add more fuel to the fire that would have enveloped the country making the matters worse. But if something like this happens than that means that Canada might be there next victim because of the alliance which is not good.
P.S: I know that I have over exaggerated some of this stuff but I believe that everything is possible, which means that this could happen or this also means that the US will be able to take care of this and there would be no civil war and those who tried to harm the US will be taken care of. By the way if someone makes a movie with this stuff happening in it that would be something quite interesting to watch.
The American Air Force and Navy would sink any invasion force on its voyage to American shores, and the American Air Force has the capability to bomb a rain of death upon any invasion army from either Canada or Mexico. If terrorists ever used a nuclear device upon any America cities, America would likely return the favor by eliminating the offending country once and for all, and America has the capability and the will power to do so. Ask the Germans and the Japanese how our Army Air Corps fire bombing campaign went during World War II.
Probably the best route to destroy the American economy is by enforcing an oil embargo upon America. But doing so would be countered by a successful American invasion of the world's oil fields, not to mention American navy's intervention of independent oil tankers and their convoying of such to American ports. Frankly, America is the big fat gorilla, an animal no one wants to mess with.
And if American cities were destroyed, I doubt whether America would be as gracious as it was after World War II rebuilding its enemies cities. During World War II America built up its armed forces to 20 million men at a time when only men fought, in today's world America could probably build up its armed forces to 50 million men, with another 50 million women in reserve.
Probably the best route to destroy the American economy is by enforcing an oil embargo upon America. But doing so would be countered by a successful American invasion of the world's oil fields, not to mention American navy's intervention of independent oil tankers and their convoying of such to American ports. Frankly, America is the big fat gorilla, an animal no one wants to mess with.
And if American cities were destroyed, I doubt whether America would be as gracious as it was after World War II rebuilding its enemies cities. During World War II America built up its armed forces to 20 million men at a time when only men fought, in today's world America could probably build up its armed forces to 50 million men, with another 50 million women in reserve.