Dassault Rafale

[Majin-Vegeta]

umm..i dont think that the Eurofighter is Blocked for Pakistan or middle east..heard a while back that they were opening sales for middle east and south asia..im not sure if its true..but maybe it is

I think the Eurofighter is good..but theres no point in buyin an expensive fighter when you cant use all of its abilities

 

[Londo Molari]

Its blocked.

 

[webmaster]

Londo, it would be best to post an article or something confirming this.

Blocked
Not blocked
Blocked
Not blocked

It kinda gets very "not" interesting.

 

[Oqaab]

I dont think it is blocked. Uk wants more and more sales of this costly aircraft. Austria is the only country whose interested in Eurofighter.

 

[elkaboingo]

would we actually go for this aircraft? PAF hasnt operated many twin engined fighters in the past. only f6 and a5

 

[umair]

HEAR HEAR! hear all coming from insider sources THE TYPHOON IS NOT POLITICALLY BLOCKED FOR THE PAF.
Germany and UK as well as Italy have no qualms about giving PAF the Typhoon.The only wild card is Spain.
This should put to rest all that blocked not blocked banter.
P.S going at the current unit price $70 mill/unit PAF can get about 36 fighters presently for $2.5 billion(the cost is inclusive of weapons and spares for some time period(I guess 4-5 years))
Add an option for 30 more and we can easilly induct it during the next 3-5 years.The $15billion for new fighters and other PAF thingys is spread over 5 years.That means we can afford to pay for these "ships" as they come without burdening the national exchequer too much.
Satisfied!

 

[binish_hassan]

hey when PAF cant Buy Mirage2000 for 65 Million how can it buy Eurofighter?

 

[Londo Molari]

There is no article that says its blocked or not.

ONCE, Jang (which has a reputation for messing up military names) posted that the PAF was considering the Eurofighter.

But think realistically... just use your mind... look around... and ask yourself...do you see the PAF with the Eurofighter? If you do, can I have some of the stuff ur smoking too?

 

[Oqaab]

But think realistically... just use your mind... look around... and ask yourself...do you see the PAF with the Eurofighter? If you do, can I have some of the stuff ur smoking too?

Well, thats a different case. We are discussing that is the Eurofighter blocked for PAF or not. Pakistan Institute for Air Defence Studies webpage also hinted that PAF is interested in Eurofighter. And I dont think PAF officials are stupid that they didnt thought before they considered eurofighter.

 

[Londo Molari]

im sure they "cosnsidered" it... that doesnt mean its not blocked to them.

 

[Firehorse]

Rather than starting a new tread, I found this one. OK: I recently heard that Lybia may get Rafales, after all.

France expects Libyan interest in fighter aircraft during visit
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/business/jdi/jdi071109_1_n.shtml
By J A C Lewis
09 November 2007

French military suppliers believe Libyan President Moammar Ghadaffi could sign a number of arms contracts when he visits France in early December 2007.

Industry sources said Ghadaffi could ink letters of intent to acquire Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft and Eurocopter Tiger combat helicopters within the framework of a defence pact signed by France and Libya in July.

However, Dassault Aviation poured cold water on media reports that Libya would sign up for 13 of its new-generation fighters during Ghadaffi's visit. "Any sale of Rafale to Libya, if indeed it materialises, would be far down the road," Dassault spokesman Yves Robins told Jane's. "We are not in talks with Tripoli at present."

Some analysts believe it unlikely Ghadaffi will commit himself to buying Rafale or Tiger during his visit, if only because a rival offer by Russia to sell fighter aircraft and other hardware worth a total of USD2.2 billion to Libya is on the table. Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to visit Tripoli in late December to promote the deal.

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© 2007 Jane's Information Group

 

[contedicavour]

Russia has a huge advantage since Libyan pilots are used to flying MIG23 and MIG25 and SU22. Moving to MIG29 or SU27 would be thus easier, cost less, and ensure easy supply of spare parts and weapons in case Gheddafi started misbehaving again and were to fall victim to embargoes...
It is true that Libya had Mirage IIIs and a few F1s modernized at the end of the 80s or early 90s, but they haven't been flying for quite a while so I doubt today's pilots are still familiar with Mirages. Also, I doubt France would sell the latest MICA IR and EM fire and forget technology while Russia wouldn't hesitate.

cheers

 

[swerve]

Russia has a huge advantage since Libyan pilots are used to flying MIG23 and MIG25 and SU22. Moving to MIG29 or SU27 would be thus easier, ...

cheers

I'm not so sure about that. The jump from a 1970s Mig-23 or Su-22 to a new glass cockpit MiG or Sukhoi might be as great as to a Rafale.

 

[Twix101]

*******

 

[swerve]

Yes, there is a great probability to Russia to win contract, mainly due to politics like you said. But, about the MICA's dont forget that Morocco received MICA and AASM. I think the blocking point will be with SCALP-EG, because of restrictions on technologies transfert for cruise missiles...

France has sold Black Shaheen, a version of Scalp EG with range limited to within MTCR guidelines (like Brahmos), to the UAE.

 

[kato]

France has sold Black Shaheen, a version of Scalp EG with range limited to within MTCR guidelines (like Brahmos), to the UAE.

There's afaik a couple more restrictions to Black Shaheen, performance-wise.
SCALP EG is already transferable under MTCR guidelines btw, as its (declassified, surmised) range doesn't exceed the 300 km threshold. Would probably be rather ambiguous to rule it either way though.

 

[swerve]

There's afaik a couple more restrictions to Black Shaheen, performance-wise.
SCALP EG is already transferable under MTCR guidelines btw, as its (declassified, surmised) range doesn't exceed the 300 km threshold. Would probably be rather ambiguous to rule it either way though.

AFAIK the public range is "more than" 250km, & that's range to target on a normal flight profile, not flight distance. I would expect flight distance to 250 km from launch to be over 300 km. Wouldn't that exceed the MTCR guidelines?

 

[kato]

AFAIK the public range is "more than" 250km, & that's range to target on a normal flight profile, not flight distance. I would expect flight distance to 250 km from launch to be over 300 km. Wouldn't that exceed the MTCR guidelines?

Of course, but it's an ambiguous case somewhat. Each side could point at this or that number.

I'm pretty sure that the 300 km for Brahmos - in order to not exceed MTCR - is operational range too, not flight distance.

Full flight distance with 250 km range would probably be around 350 to 370 km btw, going by similar numbers for KEPD350 (">350km" stated vs >500km actual flight).

 

[OPIT]

I would expect flight distance to 250 km from launch to be over 300 km.

I can assure you that flight distance (as you name it) of the SCALP-EG on a representative flight path is well beyond 300 km (real data still classified). The Black Shaheen derivative is downgraded to meet the MTCR requirements.

 

[Izzy1]

The Black Shaheen derivative is downgraded to meet the MTCR requirements.

Yes, of course it is.

That's why we're selling the "650km +" Storm Shadow to the Saudis. The UAE has the same range capability.

And you can rest assured on that as well.

MTCR...