Dassault Rafale

PAF GIRL

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well pakistan is considering mirages, eurofighter and rafales for its current needs since USA is not going to give us anything for defense against india. There was a news story that PAF is considering Eurofighter, an excellent choice but very expensive! :(
 

gf0012-aust

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IIRC The Rafale is more expensive than the Typhoon. I'll see if I can dig up the projected costs.

Most french equipment that I have dealt with has been significantly more expensive than the closest european equivalent.
 

The Watcher

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Even if Rafale is few million dollar cheaper than Eurofighter, its still not as good. It was rated lowest in some tests done according to Financial times Defence reporter.
 

Tazzers

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Even if Rafale is few million dollar cheaper than Eurofighter, its still not as good. It was rated lowest in some tests done according to Financial times Defence reporter.
I'm not sure. I tend to rate them pretty evenly and please don't listen to the FT, their 'defence correspondents' usually wear a number of 'hats' and defence is not their forte in my experience. :)
 

The Watcher

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Tazzers said:
Even if Rafale is few million dollar cheaper than Eurofighter, its still not as good. It was rated lowest in some tests done according to Financial times Defence reporter.
I'm not sure. I tend to rate them pretty evenly and please don't listen to the FT, their 'defence correspondents' usually wear a number of 'hats' and defence is not their forte in my experience. :)
You are right. :lol We may have to ask them which tests did rafale participated in and how can we get the actual results. ;)
 

Londo Molari

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Rafale would be a great choice for Pakistan because its the only aircraft that meets their "high-tech" requirements and is available to them at the same time. Of course it IS very expensive, and if the PAF spends ALL its money on JUST this aircraft (which it can't, it has other expenses) then it will only get a couple of squadrons. So thats a problem.

Surprisingly, PAF has NEVER EVER mentioned the Rafale... not even REMOTELY considered it publicly. They talked a lot about Mirage-2000.5 (which does not meet their requirements) and later even mentioned the Gripen (which is politically blocked), but never ever mentioned the Rafale which passes both criteria.
 

Tazzers

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Surprisingly, PAF has NEVER EVER mentioned the Rafale... not even REMOTELY considered it publicly. They talked a lot about Mirage-2000.5 (which does not meet their requirements) and later even mentioned the Gripen (which is politically blocked), but never ever mentioned the Rafale which passes both criteria.
Does the Typhoon not pass PAF criterea and if not then why not? :?: I am not criticising your point of view but you say it is the only aircraft that meets the PAF high tech requirements. I assume you don't think the Typhoon does then, I was just wondering why you thought this. :)
 

ullu

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tazzer, typhoon is one hell of the figghter. Any pakistani pilot would love to get his hands on it but the jet is too expensive for country like pakistan. Maybe we will be able to afford it in 10 or so years.

:pak :(

We should sue Benazir and nawaz sharif and confiscate the wealth that the stole from pakistan and buy PAF some good fighters!!! :D
 

Londo Molari

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Does the Typhoon not pass PAF criterea and if not then why not? I am not criticising your point of view but you say it is the only aircraft that meets the PAF high tech requirements. I assume you don't think the Typhoon does then, I was just wondering why you thought this.
I said: "Rafale is the only aircraft that meets their "high-tech" requirements and is available to them at the same time". That means its the only one thats high-tech AND is available for sale to Pakistan.

Yes the Eurofighter meets their requirements, but it is BLOCKED from Pakistan, therefore it is not available... simply not an option...

It passes one category, but not the other.
 
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Aussie Digger

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I know this means nothing but the Rafale is just about the prettiest fighter getting around at the moment. :)
 

gf0012-aust

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Aussie Digger said:
I know this means nothing but the Rafale is just about the prettiest fighter getting around at the moment. :)
no, give me a gripen and let me have a couple of million to hotrod it.

;) Sweet looking little ride.
 
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Aussie Digger

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Yep the French know how to design good lookin pieces, whether it's the most capable platform around is debatable, but oh those sweeping lines...
 

Oqaab

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Londo,

I dont think the Eurofighter is blocked for PAF. PAF is showing interest in this aircraft and they must have thought that this aircraft could be blocked but, they are still interested.
 

Tazzers

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tazzer, typhoon is one hell of the figghter. Any pakistani pilot would love to get his hands on it but the jet is too expensive for country like pakistan. Maybe we will be able to afford it in 10 or so years.
So what makes you think the Rafale is cheaper, by all accounts it is more expensive. :?: :)
 

Londo Molari

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No, Rafale is not more expensive. They are both around the same... both are super expensive, and very few quantities are being ordered even by the home nations.

And the Eurofighter IS blocked for the PAF. Ask anyone if PAF can get the Eurofighter and they will laf in your face :(
 

gf0012-aust

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Londo Molari said:
No, Rafale is not more expensive. They are both around the same... both are super expensive, and very few quantities are being ordered even by the home nations.

And the Eurofighter IS blocked for the PAF. Ask anyone if PAF can get the Eurofighter and they will laf in your face :(
The Rafale should normally be more expensive (it doesn't have the advantage of a long order book, so there is less opportunity for it to amortise costs and be sold at a reduced price)

However (and there is always a "however"!), the French government is rumoured to be desperate for a sale - as no one outside of France has bought it yet. To try and sweeten a sale to Singapore they have offered ToT and co-operative missile research projects.

Singapore has to choose between the F15e, F16 block 160 and the Rafale.
 

Londo Molari

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With every sale the Rafale loses, MORE people get discouraged to buy it, in fear of lack of support and interoperability... idiots... I cant believe the ROKAF bought F-15Ks over Rafales... at $80 mill a piece!
 
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