Chinese Steel Beasts, Type 59 - Type 99

[Waylander]

They weren't good students. Instead of using the mobility of their mechanized formations they used most of their tanks and IFVs as bunkers.

The sovjet doctrine is based on numerical advantage over the enemy with enough Fighters and SAMs to prevent the enemies total air dominance, so their mechanized units together with its artillery are able to break a whole into the enemy lines and fight a mobile war.

The Iraq had no chance in doing so. Its air cover was useless against the allied air power. So they had nearly no air, artillery or reconnaissance support.
Besides that they used old T-72M which you cannot compare with the chinese Type 95/99 or russian T-90/80U.

The greatest problem of the chinese if it ever should go against the US is air dominance. Against every other opponent they should be able to at least deny it or the enemy. And if that happens their ground doctrine is not bad at all.
I also believe that the chinese also train more and better than the Iraqis did. After the gulf war we learned that personal training with the tank was not really good or realistic in Iraq.

 

[.pt]

training

Surely a well driled and trained tank crew has better chances of winning over a poorly trained crew??? in general principle at least...
Now if the training is good or realistic is another matter..will depend on what type of war we are talking about. For example, in the counterinsurgency type of warfare US is now facing, perhaps someone like the israelis could tell them something, eh? At least they are at it for years now.Not so intense, but nevertheless, somewhat similar armaments, tactics, terrain?

 

[armage]

I have been followin this thread for some time now. the question I do have is how proven really these all chinese tanks are. Till date china has never had a full scale tank battle against any big country. also since not in combat situation anywhere in world hw good can be chinese tanks against others..???
Also we have to consider the men(PLA) who are going to use this tanks in real battlefield....who also dont have any battle experience(majorly of tank). like the USA which constantly is involved in some combat situations around the world it knows whts positive and negative in tanks during battles and also its men using tanks have 1st hand experience of real scenario.

They really don't care, no lone nation in the world has the power to take over China in a land war. They only have to worry about regional conflicts with India (which is pratically impossible to ferry tanks across due to the himalayas, and lets face it India never had any good land battle with their Russian tanks since the 1970's) and Russia.
In fact I can only recall America, England, France, Israel, Russia (against Chechenia) and Germany that was

involved in some combat situations

.