Chinese Steel Beasts, Type 59 - Type 99

[BaiWF]

Kindly, please tell us what is the source of the information posted. SinoDefence?

Frankly speaking, I combined some literal information which available on the Net, not just the source of SinoDefence.com...To make my posts more believable and reasonable, I have checked them several times...Most of those pictures and information I posted here are from tuku.military.china.com and some Chinese Military Forums, no classified information...

Thank you for your kindness, Mod.

 

[Snayke]

Well most of, if not all of the Type 96 MBT description is from SinoDefence, word for word, just some parts were deleted and merged. :\ Can't be bothered looking at the others.

 

[chinawhite]

BaiWF,

You should give credit to your source of information. I for one think the writing is word for word from Sinodefence

 

[webmaster]

Thanks.

Its a combination of globalsecurity and sinodefence.com work. Select any number of sentences in the text and search it on google...

I don't mean to discourage baiWF from posting but please provide source of your information even if you added your input as well.

 

[Snayke]

Thanks.

Its a combination of globalsecurity and sinodefence.com work. Select any number of sentences in the text and search it on google...

That's what I did with the first sentence in the Type 96 post.

 

[BaiWF]

Thanks.

Its a combination of globalsecurity and sinodefence.com work. Select any number of sentences in the text and search it on google...

I don't mean to discourage baiWF from posting but please provide source of your information even if you added your input as well.

Name's BaiWF, please, the first letter should be a capital letter...

Most of them are, but not always, if you check them "word by word". Mostly, I did not write those words, but edit them, caused by my limited English skills and armored information. I'm so sorry for that. BTW, the Type 96's specification is from SinoDefence.com exactly but not all of them, I added something important which the website missed; and half of the other information from Globalsecurity.com, the rest of the others are from the extensive net sources, most of the information were not just been deleted or rework simply, I was using all the knowledge I have, and doing my best to make the introduction of Chinese Type-series Tanks more informationable and detailed. And most of pictures are from tuku.military.china.com (as I had said before). The source links:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/ground.htm
http://tuku.military.china.com/user/displayPic?cID=military&tid=186&SerialTypeId=1→14→186&page=1
http://sinodefence.com/army/tank/type96.asp
Etc...

I'm so sorry for my mistakes.

The purpose I post these information here is very simple, to tell some guys here which are lack of the information about China, especially the development, inventory and detailed information of Chinese Armored Force.

I have been here for months, but just made one post in Febuary of this year. Recently, I read some information Indian Arjun tank which some guys here even said it's better or equal with Chinese Type 98/99 tank, that's a very laughable and unfair thing, Chinese Type 98/99 tank is much better than it, IMHO.

I'm gald to have you guys' replies, thank you very much.

 

[webmaster]

We are not comparing or contrasting equipment and I could care less if Arjun is better or Type 98/99. I don't care. I only asked that source of information be posted. Thank you for clarifying where you got the information.


Enjoy

 

[BaiWF]

Thank you very much, all of you, I will be careful next time and surely enjoy this community...

 

[chinawhite]

I read some information Indian Arjun tank which some guys here even said it's better or equal with Chinese Type 98/99 tank, that's a very laughable and unfair thing, Chinese Type 98/99 tank is much better thank it, IMHO.

BaiWF,

You shouldn't even give things like that a second thought. Once people like that get a idea in their head no one will change their mind. Trust someone that would have been been a billionaire if i got a dollar everytime i had a deep "intellectual" "debate" about china and inida, excuse the pun. Webmaster would be even more wealthly if he got a dollar everything he had to stop these "intellectual" "debates

I have got over things like that and mostly just have selective discussions and write my opinions for others to read instead of argue. If you come into the forum to argue then foruming is not your thing, If you want to come to a forum to listen and learn off others than your enjoy foruming.


But anyway BaiWF, nice collection of information and pictures

 

[BaiWF]

BaiWF,

I got it, thank you very much, ChinaWhite. I'm here not to argue with somebody, but also for learning, I'm new here and don't want to get myself into truble.

 

[Snayke]

I lurked for a few months before I first posted. But you do learn quite a bit on here, even if it's only bits and pieces.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

I lurked for a few months before I first posted. But you do learn quite a bit on here, even if it's only bits and pieces.

Lurkers will be killed without mercy.

 

[aprasadi]

I have been followin this thread for some time now. the question I do have is how proven really these all chinese tanks are. Till date china has never had a full scale tank battle against any big country. also since not in combat situation anywhere in world hw good can be chinese tanks against others..???
Also we have to consider the men(PLA) who are going to use this tanks in real battlefield....who also dont have any battle experience(majorly of tank). like the USA which constantly is involved in some combat situations around the world it knows whts positive and negative in tanks during battles and also its men using tanks have 1st hand experience of real scenario.

 

[cjhnick123]

I have been followin this thread for some time now. the question I do have is how proven really these all chinese tanks are. Till date china has never had a full scale tank battle against any big country. also since not in combat situation anywhere in world hw good can be chinese tanks against others..???
Also we have to consider the men(PLA) who are going to use this tanks in real battlefield....who also dont have any battle experience(majorly of tank). like the USA which constantly is involved in some combat situations around the world it knows whts positive and negative in tanks during battles and also its men using tanks have 1st hand experience of real scenario.

:duel We'd better not use these against each other.

 

[fylr71]

How well do these tanks compare to western tanks such as M1A2 Abrams, Challenger 2, Leopard 2A6, Leclerc, Ariete, and K1A1. These are the benchmarks for tank design and it is very hard to know the capabilities of these tanks as I have not seen any reference in any article about Chinese tanks to any of the above tanks

 

[Waylander]

It is not like the US are involved into a large scale tank battle every year. And good Training can solve many things. Just talk to some US tankers who fought in trials against swedish, dutch, german, etc. tank units.
The main question is how and how often they train not if they are battle proven.

 

[chinawhite]

like the USA which constantly is involved in some combat situations around the world it knows whts positive and negative in tanks during battles and also its men using tanks have 1st hand experience of real scenario.

I think battle experience for a modern tank is only a small factor but being proficient is the most important one. What battle expereince did the US army have before they sped into iraq in the first world war

 

[Rich]

It is not like the US are involved into a large scale tank battle every year. And good Training can solve many things. Just talk to some US tankers who fought in trials against swedish, dutch, german, etc. tank units.
The main question is how and how often they train not if they are battle proven.

Its difficult to imagine the Chinese performing as well with armor/combined arms as NATO level Nations. The Russians as well have a vast reservoir of tank experience and doctrine to draw on, as well as a tremendous history. In the final analysis it will come down to control of airspace and information, and not strictly tank on tank as in WW-ll. Im sure the Chinese would do better then the Iraqis but still those conflicts were an accurate picture of how future tank battles will play out.

 

[Waylander]

I don't think that the gulf war of '91 gives us an accurate picture of how tank battles are going to be in the future.
The chinese are not going to be such an easy enemy and you cannot compare them to the Iraqis. Not in technology and for sure not in numbers.
But as always the combined arms and how you are able to use them is the main factor.
I think the chinese absorbed much of the russian knowledge in it which could give them a good idea of how to train their mechanized formations.

 

[Wild Weasel]

I don't think that the gulf war of '91 gives us an accurate picture of how tank battles are going to be in the future.
The chinese are not going to be such an easy enemy and you cannot compare them to the Iraqis. Not in technology and for sure not in numbers.
But as always the combined arms and how you are able to use them is the main factor.
I think the chinese absorbed much of the russian knowledge in it which could give them a good idea of how to train their mechanized formations.

The Iraqis were also students and practitioners of Soviet/Russian combat doctrin and tactics. If I remember correctly, believe that it was widely reported that the PRC and Russia were quite dismayed, and made great changes- following what has taken place in the last two Ground War phases of major combat operations in Iraq.