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Will there be any action by Russian marines? Are there any amhib landing ships heading toward Georgia? How about MVD troops helping the regular Russian army?
As for me, I sensed something big was going to happen after learning that the railway troops were sent to Abhazia!
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That was a long time ago and they've since been pulled out after repairing the railroad that they were sent in to repair. It's got nothing to do with the conflict at had.

And a quick update.

Ossetia reports a Georgian tank attack on the outskirts of Ts'hivali was fought off with 12 Georgian tanks destroyed and a Georgian bomber shot down. My question is why were the any Georgian aircraft still flying? :confused: Shelling of Ts'hivali stopped at 23:50 after the failed attack.





Civilian casualties are now estimated to exceed 2000.

1:21 Local time the oil pipeline running through Georgia has stopped working, but apparently it's not because of the conflict :rolleyes:
2:08 am local time commander of the 58th Army General-Lieutenant Khrulev was wounded during an artillery barrage that also hit and injured a Russian news crew.
4:09 second Russian mobile hospital opened in Northern Ossetia to help refugees and those injured in the fighting (civilians).
 
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I've got a question. Are those BMD's on the photo? And if so since when does Abkhazia have any? Or are Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia also helping the operation in the Kodori Gorge?

The front one looks like it could be a BRDM, but the rest of the column....



EDIT: Rian.ru just posted an article with reports of atrocities filtering out of the conflict zone with the refugees.

Полный геноцид

Беженцы рассказали российскому премьеру о зверствах грузинских военнослужащих. В одном из сел в Знаурском районе грузины заживо сожгли в одном из домов нескольких девушек, говорят беженцы.

"Они согнали их как скот, закрыли в доме и подожгли. Мы видели, как танк в другом месте проехал по старой женщине, убегавшей вместе с двумя детьми. Видели, как зарезали полуторагодовалого ребенка", - рассказали беженцы Путину.

"Полный геноцид", - так это охарактеризовал российский премьер.

"Уже совсем с ума сошли. Это ни в какие рамки цивилизованного поведения не укладывается", - сказал Путин.

Одна из молодых женщин, у которой убили мужа и остался маленький ребенок, рассказала Путину, что в Южной Осетии у нее остался свекор и она не знает о его дальнейшей судьбе. Вместе с тем она подчеркнула, что "осетинский народ не сдастся и будет бороться до последнего".

"Нет сомнений: мы обязательно вернем и поможем потом восстановить город", - заверил беженцев Путин и добавил: "Самое главное, чтобы прекратилась стрельба".
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http://www.rian.ru/politics/20080810/150235861.html
 
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Feanor said:
I've got a question. Are those BMD's on the photo? And if so since when does Abkhazia have any? Or are Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia also helping the operation in the Kodori Gorge?

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There are 2 possibilities:

1. Russians gave them military equipment for operation.
2. Russians directly help them.

Though, I'll on bet on these 2 point together. Abkhazians got military equipment from Russia yesterday / today and russians directly helping them.
 
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Did Russia Finalize the military deal with Abkhazia? I read something about on RIAN but it wasn't a conformation. If so, could that be the source.
 
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Since Georgia totally inadequate here, international response is pretty mild what in fact favors russians, We can expect few more days of direct fighting.

This most likely will result in russian assault from Ossetia towards Georgian Gori and from Abkhazia towards Kodori at very least.

I still cant believe Saakashvilli was THAT stupid ;(
 
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If that report about Georgians' burning girls in a house is true, they were probably raped first! This is disgusting! Anyone, please confirm or deny this, as no source is given:
A senior Georgian security official said that Russian ships were moving toward Georgia’s Black Sea Cost in order to land ground troops, and that 12 Russian jets were bombing the Kadori Gorge in Abhazia, another breakaway region that hugs the Black Sea. 800-1000 elite naval inf will make amphibious landing on Ponti followed on by a mech airborne reg.
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=4112&page=6
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Why??

What I don't understand is why Russia has let it come to this!

The russian must know, that the outcome is a Nato membership of Georgia.
The Danish Foreign secretary said as much today. He emphasised it was in accordance with Condi.
 
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Ths said:
The russian must know, that the outcome is a Nato membership of Georgia.
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A certain number of NATO members would never go for that, especially with this situation. There's a deep split in Europe on that issue, and Germany and France haven't said anything in favour of Georgia yet. Remember that Germany and Russia are "strategic partners" to some extent. In fact, there have been statements which support the Russian side calling for a ceasefire between Georgia and South Ossetia. The same call has come from the OSCE under Finnish presidency.

It's primarily the USA, the UK and a number of "New Europe" states that support Georgia, including in the Security Council, where they've blocked a similar call for a mutual ceasefire.

Effectively, this war has extremely likely destroyed any chances for Georgia to join NATO in the foreseeable future.
 
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"They have employed strategic bombers — the most potent air weaponry that is in the Russian arsenal .... They actually launched ballistic missile attacks on Georgian territory," the official said. He also said Russia has sent more than 1,000 paratroopers and armor into the region.
Russian bombing has also taken place in Abkhazia, a separate breakaway region of Georgia, far from South Ossetia, the official said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080810/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_georgia
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Well, if I recall correctly, the TU-22Ms aren't strategic, as defined by US-FSU/Russia arms treaties. So, unless TU-95/142/160s get involved, they are tactical bombers we are talking about! The BMs use is new in this, but it already happened before in Checnya. So far, their CMs hadn't showed up- I guess they may soon, to attack high value stationary targets!
 
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I can confirm with almost 100% certaint that the Black Sea fleet is moving into position for a Naval Blockade. There seem to have been airstrikes in Kodori but sources dispute on whether it was Russia or Abkhazia. Probaby both. Lenta.ru, a prorussian source claims it was the VVS. Abkhazian officials said it was Abkhazian airstrikes and missiles.

I have heard nothing about equipment transfers from Russia to Georgia. 120 tons of food and around 10 billion rubles in aid are being sent to S. Ossetia by Russia. Also U.N. observers have withdrawn from the Kodori Gorge. All bets are off, Abkhazia is going for broke and getting all they can out of this.

Also apparently part of a 1999 agreement, in case of a cease-fire violation Russia's obligation is to defend the side that's victimized. So there seems to be solid legal footing for this operation.

Also first Mi-28N's have been delivered to the Russian military. This conflicts with earlier reports (many months ago) that the first two had been transfered. However the wording used was "the first batch" so perhaps it's the first delivery of a batch of them. Will they see action during this conflict? (the delivery took place some time ago, several days) In the Chechen war the first few Ka-50's were immediately used.
 
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TBILISI (Reuters) - Loud explosions rocked Georgia's capital early on Sunday, and a senior official said Russia had bombed Tbilisi's international airport.

"Russian jet fighters have dropped three bombs on Tbilisi's airport," Shota Utiashvili, the head of the Georgian Interior Ministry's information department, told Reuters.

Reuters correspondents working in Tbilisi heard the three loud bangs shortly after 0530 (0130 GMT).

(Reporting by Margarita Antidze; Writing by Dmitry Solovyov; Editing by Richard Balmforth)

can someone tell me if this is a 2S19 Msta?

for the above:
A Russian mobile artillery unit fires a 152mm shell towards a Georgian position outside the South-Ossetian settlement of Dzhava, August 9, 2008.
 
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The Black Sea fleet was deployed and apparently stopped the Georgian Navy from reaching Abkhazian ports. Whether it was by force or not we don't know. Also Saakashvili made a public offer of cease fire in the mass media, but apparently Russia has not received the offer in any form.
 
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It looks like the U.S will be flying the Georgians that are in Iraq home, this will be most interesting, especially if Russia accidently shoots a plane down.
 
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Georgian troops have allegedly withdrawn from Southern Ossetia completely however Russian peacekeepers posts dispute that information. Also dead black mercenaries have been found in T'shinvali according to Ossetian officials. And finally there was a second Russian air strike on the Kodori Gorge. Battles in Ts'hinvali apparently are finally completely over with cleaning up of the city going on as we speak, thousands are apparently trapped under the rubble in basements where they took cover from artillery fire.





The Black Sea Fleet has entered Abkhazian sea ports as a response to Georgian naval activity.
 
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Couple of questions for our Russian friends:

  1. How secure are Russia's line-of-communication? Could the Chechens and al-Queda undermine the progress of Russian forces within Georgia within the Chechen-Ingush region?
  2. How is the naval blockade effective, considering both Turkey and Azerbaijan have land-borders with Georgia?

I'm trying to picture the relative end-games for either side. Georgia, less the Russian-occupied territories, may be seen as a better potential NATO-candidate (as would Ukraine). Also it may push Armenia into a negotiation with it's neighbours (and a land-swap with the Azeris - a sensible compromise).

So whilst Russia is currently militarily-superior, could Georgia (and the West) win long-term. Anywho, let's hope civilian loses are minimised.
 
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Chechens... :)..What for? I think georgian withdrawal in depth of Georgia stops war...But my last variant is capturin of Saakashvilli(so long)...
 
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