What is wrong with the BTR 90, this is pretty much a BTR 80 upgrade.
Breach of challenger 2 armour.....
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Well its just that the turret for the BTR-90 is an interim solution. I wouldnt call the BTR-90 a BTR-80 upgrade as it has a new hull shape at the front and various other changes. Sure it built upon the BTR-80 but its still considered a new design. Im pretty sure the Kliver turrret will be seriously considered for installation on the BTR-90 after all it was trialled on the BTR-60 and it would be great. The BTR-90 will also have many variants such as 120mm self-propelled mortar and others so this is great news.
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IED's and the likes
I have been involved in several trans border operations in Angola, thus booby traps and the likes are not new to me. You are totally correct. Eventually the IED's would be designed to penetrate whatever. Perhaps as far as the detonation is concerned one should consider an electronic countermeasure which either "blankets" the detonation OR detonates the device prematurely via an electronic bombardment of the first vehicle or detonating it by the last vehicle in the convoy after having been jammed by the first. I'm speculating, but still think it's feasible. It certain worked in Northern Ireland, why not here?
I have been involved in several trans border operations in Angola, thus booby traps and the likes are not new to me. You are totally correct. Eventually the IED's would be designed to penetrate whatever. Perhaps as far as the detonation is concerned one should consider an electronic countermeasure which either "blankets" the detonation OR detonates the device prematurely via an electronic bombardment of the first vehicle or detonating it by the last vehicle in the convoy after having been jammed by the first. I'm speculating, but still think it's feasible. It certain worked in Northern Ireland, why not here?
Sorry If appear to be a little bit thick, but I can't get my head round what your getting at with this comment.
Can you put this into simpler terms, & further expand on the point about this being used in Northen Ireland, as it's not something that's ever been reported in any press release or website, as far as I know.
Systems Adict
Whenever the IRA tested the signal to detonate a remotely controlled IED, stations inter-dispersed in Northern Ireland intercepted such a signal, amplified it and transmitted it to the source, with the advantage that either the IED exploded prematurely or that the bombers became so demoralised that there was scant motivation to transport such a device anywhere in fear that it may detonate prematurely. In Irak my approach would be the same since the detonation in cell phone driven. I'm an electronics dunce myself, but surely a solution lies somewhere.... in theory...
Yes - Russia and the Ukrainians are offering different weapons platforms for the BTR series vehicles, is it true that the BTR 90 has lost it`s swim capability.
Systems,
Army bomb squad teams frequently sweep buildings for devices and carrying out jamming. The types of UK applications are Political Conferences etc.
They use antenna on vehicles to sweep a building to locate and transmitters that have been hidden and also to send out jamming signals across frequencies known by intelligence to be used by threat groups. As I understand it the technology isnt all that complicated. However that works on a static building, not as effective over a large area such as a higway that runs for many miles.
When mobile phones are used the situation becomes more complicated, in the age when everyone has them it would be fine if you knew what phone to actually look out for. Cell site analysis works when you have some control over the network operators, it is possible to get a fix with some degree of accuracy on a particular phone and it is possible to surveil that phone as it "pings" to the nearest phone mast.
However in Iraq that would be difficult unless the coalition had some form of control over the telecom supplier. It could be a potential tactic to trace the bomber after the event. In theory when a roodside bomb went off, the mobile network nearby could be interrogated to find out what phones were active at that time in the vicinity, once you narrow down a particular handset of course, you would then have to hope that the chap wasnt "pay as you go" and not registered to that phone, and that you could actually get a subscriber check done in Basra!!
Army bomb squad teams frequently sweep buildings for devices and carrying out jamming. The types of UK applications are Political Conferences etc.
They use antenna on vehicles to sweep a building to locate and transmitters that have been hidden and also to send out jamming signals across frequencies known by intelligence to be used by threat groups. As I understand it the technology isnt all that complicated. However that works on a static building, not as effective over a large area such as a higway that runs for many miles.
When mobile phones are used the situation becomes more complicated, in the age when everyone has them it would be fine if you knew what phone to actually look out for. Cell site analysis works when you have some control over the network operators, it is possible to get a fix with some degree of accuracy on a particular phone and it is possible to surveil that phone as it "pings" to the nearest phone mast.
However in Iraq that would be difficult unless the coalition had some form of control over the telecom supplier. It could be a potential tactic to trace the bomber after the event. In theory when a roodside bomb went off, the mobile network nearby could be interrogated to find out what phones were active at that time in the vicinity, once you narrow down a particular handset of course, you would then have to hope that the chap wasnt "pay as you go" and not registered to that phone, and that you could actually get a subscriber check done in Basra!!
Subscriber check? I doubt it, prepaid phone sims are common in many countries, and are practically anonymous. There are some devices that jam all mobile phone signals, some supposed to be deployed in movie theaters to keep rude patrons from taking calls.
I suppose that would be somewhat complicated. Given the fact that prepaid is a scourge for security personnel, which is probably why it's so popular with your resident revolutionary. In my time the British Mark 7 mine was THE instrument of destruction, courtesy of extra stock procured from Holland at the time. Although old technology and easy to detect it was devastating.
A prepaid mobile does create some difficulties but also many potential leads. You could still trace a user of a prepay phone to a particular location (if you have access to the network computers and providers), a particular mobile mast would allow you to take a "within" bearing from a mast. That might tally with known intelligence etc etc. Also it is possible for security services to clone a mobile or a pager, thereby getting access to messages, texts and voicemails left. You also get acces to all the subjects contacts, potentially allowing a terror cell to be identified.
Apparently such agencies as GCHQ can tap into a phone mast and eavesdrop on all calls made at a particular time. The mobile network itself can be temporary shut down for a timeframe allowing only emergency services t use it, as on 7/7.
However this maight be possible in the UK and other western countries, Im not sure it would work in Iraq.
Apparently such agencies as GCHQ can tap into a phone mast and eavesdrop on all calls made at a particular time. The mobile network itself can be temporary shut down for a timeframe allowing only emergency services t use it, as on 7/7.
However this maight be possible in the UK and other western countries, Im not sure it would work in Iraq.
That’s fair comment. I am sure that there would be an electronic solution in the medium term. I am of the opinion that in an environment where martial law is supposed to exist, away from a human rights culture that the flexibility of implementation would be easier. It may lend itself to abuse by governments in the future if not covertly already. The argument may also centralise itself about the greater good. Is a soldier expendable in an IED attack or can countless lives be saved in a theatre of war which is critical? I suppose one's political association / loyalty would be the determinant of that. One tough lessen I had to learn is that third world theatres of operation is very challenging and that the kiss principle mostly applies ESPECIALLY where sophisticated electronic countermeasures and equipment will eventually break down and will become a burden rather than an asset.
That engine management system controlling the well known diesel British 4x4? In Africa, IT WILL BREAK especially given the situation that maintenance is a luxury! Viva the Mark II viva.
That engine management system controlling the well known diesel British 4x4? In Africa, IT WILL BREAK especially given the situation that maintenance is a luxury! Viva the Mark II viva.
Excellent point. I remember seeing data from the first Gulf War on the maint cycles for heavy armour and the impact of dust on availability. The stats were quite ugly.
I remember vividly how the SADF troopies scurried around when a otherwise obsolete overweight, cumbersome radio was fitted with a motorised device which set the frequency. It hardly ever got to the desired frequency before going flat in spite of being fully charged before leaving base. After the little motor went "whir" giving your position away in the process, you had to fit the radio, again, with an equally ineffective cumbersome NiCad carried over miles of desert, sacrificing water in the process. (You can only carry that much).
I personally found the battery best utilised by using it as shrapnel for claymores... I wonder which defence official got the kickback for convincing the powers that be to actually purchase such a piece of scrap.... correction…. French inspired vehicle mounted radio which was actually never designed to carry on foot…. My appologies webmaster.. I'm digres from the forum sometimes. Foot-rot and rationpacks does that to you...
I personally found the battery best utilised by using it as shrapnel for claymores... I wonder which defence official got the kickback for convincing the powers that be to actually purchase such a piece of scrap.... correction…. French inspired vehicle mounted radio which was actually never designed to carry on foot…. My appologies webmaster.. I'm digres from the forum sometimes. Foot-rot and rationpacks does that to you...
In regards to the BTR-90 losing its swim capability this is not true. It retains swim capability from BTR-80 after all BTR-90 is just a widened and slightly higher BTR-80 with an interim turret and new boat shaped hull. The BTR-90 can swim in water at 9km/h. The BTR-90M also retains the same characteristics as the BTR-90 including swim but has BAKCHA ("bmp-3"/bmd-4) modular turret.