Breach of challenger 2 armour.....
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Yes - they were designed for taking huge amounts of real estate (offensive) and letting the infantry hold it, but just like Waylander has stated, times are changing and we have realized that it is a most realistic scenario at the present time to use main battle tanks in urbanized environments.
The problem is also that you are just not able to protect a tank against modern AT-mines without making it a 100t monster.
But you are able to protect it against older mines and against IEDs and because of that anti-mine/IED kits are available for modern tanks.
During every maneuver I really hated mines. They are such a pain in the ass.
But you are able to protect it against older mines and against IEDs and because of that anti-mine/IED kits are available for modern tanks.
During every maneuver I really hated mines. They are such a pain in the ass.
They found out that lonely tank columns without proper preparations and totally bullshit intelligence reports are dead meat in a city.
The next time they went into Grozny they used their tanks with good effect. Working closely together with the infantry. They also used some kind of tank-carussell. They let one, two or even three tanks roll behind the infantry emptying their autoloaders as fast as possible throwing 125mm HEs at every possible enemy position. That worked very well but your ROEs have to be very, very low to use this.
The next time they went into Grozny they used their tanks with good effect. Working closely together with the infantry. They also used some kind of tank-carussell. They let one, two or even three tanks roll behind the infantry emptying their autoloaders as fast as possible throwing 125mm HEs at every possible enemy position. That worked very well but your ROEs have to be very, very low to use this.
The Russians did not use BMP-Ts in any skirmishes located inside of Grozny, this vehicle was born after these conflicts.
It was actually born afterwards, and it is my opinion only, but I think it is well designed for the role as a urbanized fighter.
With the amount of older equipment that they still have in inventory still makes them a major force to be reckoned with.
I was kinda surprised not to see India go with the Kilver upgrade for their BMPs. Is Russia going to this modification or is it for export only.
Another variant of modernisation has been chose for RuArmy:
Interesting arrangement of RA protection, did they have to re weld/reinforce the seams to support the added weight, how much of a weight difference are they seeing with this upgrade.
The grenade launcher addition looks neat, I assume that they are sticking to the AT-5 Spandrel.
Sounds like a good plan/modification for the older BMP1.
Not more 2 tons. The point is it does not lead to buyoancy loosing.
Personally It would be best for Russia to modernize all their BTR-80's with Kliver turrets and their BTR-70's as well. Ive seen a few examples of this modernization and it certainly brings it up to modern standards not to mention the great firepower provided by the "Klivers" with their Kornets, 30mm , AGS etc..
Now the adopted conception for BRTs in Russia is infantry-centered. THus, the Kornets is just overkill (and overprice) in such arrangement while possibility to meet western or Chinese tanks is diminished. The good anti-infantry option like grenade-launcher is more important IMHO. For extremal urgency we have specialised option against modern tanks like Chrizantema and Sprut.