Brazilian Naval Strength

Sandhi Yudha

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News of the Brazilian Navy C-1A upgrade program has finally been released, Elbit systems' US subsidiary have been awarded a $106 million subcontract (with Marsh Aviation as prime contractor) to upgrade 4 airframes.

In Brazilian Navy service, the upgraded C-1A's will be COD/AAR aircraft designated as KC-2.

The aircraft will be serving on their aircraft carrier, NAe São Paulo.
Are these eight C-1s already delivered?
It was announced that that the Brazilian Navy will buy and modernize eight C-1 airframes to serve in the Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) and aerial refueling roles for use on its aircraft carrier São Paulo, but is that even possible on an LHD?
 

Todjaeger

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Are these eight C-1s already delivered?
It was announced that that the Brazilian Navy will buy and modernize eight C-1 airframes to serve in the Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) and aerial refueling roles for use on its aircraft carrier São Paulo, but is that even possible on an LHD?
No, and if I had to guess the order was cancelled. Currently the only fixed-wing aircraft operated by the Brazilian Navy are A-4 Skyhawks, everything else is helicopters. Naval aviation inventory is here.
 

Redlands18

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Are these eight C-1s already delivered?
It was announced that that the Brazilian Navy will buy and modernize eight C-1 airframes to serve in the Carrier Onboard Delivery (COD) and aerial refueling roles for use on its aircraft carrier São Paulo, but is that even possible on an LHD?
Any use the Brazilian Navy had for COD fixed wing Aircraft disappeared with the retirement of the Sao Paulo in 2017, the Atlantico(ex HMS Ocean) can only operate Helicopters in Brazilian Navy service. @Todjaeger above has provided a list of current Aircraft operated by the Brazilian Navy as per there own Website.
 

Atlantic Realm

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Very impressed with Brazil’s recent outlay.

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Ananda

The Bunker Group

Brazilian Navy set the design for their first SSN. Base on the cut out, it will be based from their Prosub program with French (scorpene based). However with 100m length, considerably larger.

I suspect that Brazilian nuclear propulsion still not compact enough compared to nuclear propulsion from more established nuclear power countries. Still it's going to be big achievement for Brazil.
 

ngatimozart

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Brazilian Navy set the design for their first SSN. Base on the cut out, it will be based from their Prosub program with French (scorpene based). However with 100m length, considerably larger.

I suspect that Brazilian nuclear propulsion still not compact enough compared to nuclear propulsion from more established nuclear power countries. Still it's going to be big achievement for Brazil.
Yes a big achievement for Brazil. I think that the reactor department compactness will depend upon how much help that the French provide the Brazilians in the engineering side.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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The Brazilian Navy is in the process of receiving its seventh and final modernised Skyhawk fighter jet.
Embraer upgraded in total 7 Skyhawks under a $106 million contract. After the crash of one AF-1B in July 2016, the Brazilian Navy now has 4 single seat AF-1B and 2 twin seat AF-1C in its fleet.

 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Xavier in Brazil on the ceremony for commission of first Scorpene based Brazilian build Submarine Richuelo. While in the video he also talk the second submarine Humaita that now on sea trial certification process.

He also then taking to NG CEO on potential two new customers for Scorpene based submarine in SEA (Indonesia and Philippines), also talk with the Brazil submarine yard CEO and shown working progress on the third submarine in the yard.

This model of licensing and production assistance is the similar process that NG offer to Indonesian MinDef for PAL participation. Something that NG claim can transfer the tech and industrial process from first boat to build locally. Not like other OEM offer.
 

Ananda

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First Tamandare Frigate begin keel laying by Thyssen and Brazilian Partners JV. The project already run since 2017, shown how domestication projects will take much longer time then just import the assets.

Something that I still see on some in otherother forums 'complaining' on length time and costs of domestication projects. It is simply if you want to attract foreign vendors working with your MIC for any domestication effort (license or JV), will create more costs and times then just simply imports.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group


Brazil launch the first Tamandare Frigates. As only March last year they begin to keel laying the Frigate, means the progress is also quite smooth and on schedule. Incidentally at the ceremony of this Frigate launch, Brazil President Luna also inform the ATR 72 crash (put it on General Aviation thread).
 

Ananda

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John Fedup

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Still LOI thus not effective contract yet. However ussualy LOI already shown strong intentions, thus the process of negotiations seems close to final. Both Albion class LPD are being in discussions to process.
Maybe Brazil is just buttering up the UK for a deal on one of the QE carriers, the cash would be welcomed for covering expenses on Tempest and Dreadnought development. ;)
 

Systems Adict

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Maybe Brazil is just buttering up the UK for a deal on one of the QE carriers, the cash would be welcomed for covering expenses on Tempest and Dreadnought development. ;)
Now, now ...!

#1 - The UK will not be selling the carriers , well not at least for the next 25 years !.

Let's put things into perspective. In the early 2010's Brazil was in talks to purchase LOTS of things from the UK & others (with regards military equipment / hardware) purchasing things like OPV's & submarines. As one of the richest South American countries, her coffers were full & the cash was burning a hole in their pockets. Various issues around corruption & political turmoil, caused a change in government, which in turn slowed things down, along with COVID.

Following the recent re-election of the previous president, there has been a slow up turn in activities. Like many 2nd tier military nations, the prospect of having your own indigenous manufacturing facilities to produce items locally, is an appealing option & it wouldn't surprise me if other defence elements come out from behind closed doors in the remainder of 2025 / 2026.

In the meantime, replacing an ageing fleet of naval equipment from the 2nd hand market place, also make some financial sense (due to maintenance / operability & upkeep costs). Purchasing ALBION & BULWARK, is a complimentary buy to match a previous purchase, in the form of HMS OCEAN. Commonality of systems & equipment across their fleet & with 'close neighbours' (such a Chile), will help provide more stability within the continent.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
With Albion and Bulwark gone, RN can't afford to let go one of their carriers. I suspect they let go Albion and Bulwark to enable them operate PoW. One of the carriers will act as commando carrier for Amphibious operations to compensate the lost of Albion Class LPD.

The next deal talk from what I gather is whose going to take both Wave Class tankers. Brazil and Chile also being speculate to take both of them, although I heard UK offering them to Southeast Asia market too.
 
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