Well see how this buildup turns out. They need to dump some of that money into better training programs mabe russia could be payed to train the venezuelan army and airforce. I think brazil and argentina might have a better trained and better equiped fighting force. Ive also heard that the columbian army is an american trained and equipped force i wonder if the venezuelan army is capable of defending its homeland from them? They have always been rivals and chavez moved some amx tanks to the border not to long ago.
BMP-3s for Venezuela
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BMP 3 doesn`t have a 12.7mm crew served weapon, they are designed to carry 3 7.62mm machine guns, 2 in the bow and one that serves as a coax in the turret.
I gather Chile is regarded as the most professional military force in South America.
Brazil & Columbia probably come next, although with different strengths.
Argentina these days is trailing pretty badly - I gather their military is pretty neglected since the fall of the generals.
Venezuela may be moving up into the top 3, though.
The purchases that they've made make for a well balanced, powerful regional force.
Belarus has apparently been hired to setup & train them for their air-defence network, & the pilots for the Sukhoi's are being trained in Russia.
They seem to smart enough to bring in trainers for additional help when necessary.
Brazil & Columbia probably come next, although with different strengths.
Argentina these days is trailing pretty badly - I gather their military is pretty neglected since the fall of the generals.
Venezuela may be moving up into the top 3, though.
The purchases that they've made make for a well balanced, powerful regional force.
Belarus has apparently been hired to setup & train them for their air-defence network, & the pilots for the Sukhoi's are being trained in Russia.
They seem to smart enough to bring in trainers for additional help when necessary.
Sorry for typo error..
To measure the true power of nation in Latin America, we cannot just looking toward their current military asset & equipment and their exp & training. The terrain & surrounding area should be consider also.
Brazil and Argentine Armed Forces can be accepted as strongest army but lacked of modern asset & equipment (especially land & air forces) and has a wide area to cover especially when come to Amazon area.
Chile otherwise has a advantage when come to asset & equipment but most of main asset seem not suitable in their soil especially their above 50 tonnes MBT.
Venezuela has all aspect advantage but lacked of experience & training.
Human Bass
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Im sure that Argetina has no problem at defending its Amazon area. 
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From whom? Who's going to attack Argentina?Im sure that Argetina has no problem at defending its Amazon area.
wimpymouse
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They've desided on the subs already. Chavez wanted them all to be of the new AIP type but was convinced to buy 7 conventional, and only the last one of them to be AIP. I belive this is due to urgent needs, while the AIP isn't ready for production yet, as well as they will need some time to learn to handle them.
Three types of choppers is on the Venezuelan wish list, and I belive two types have/are being delivered; Mi-17, Mi-35, and when possible the Mi-28 (I hope I'm correct on the types).
Can Ukranian T-72's might have been of interest (it rings a bell somewhere)
500 tanks sounds waaay too high for their needs, and an unnessesary cost to boot, as their main threat is the US and will come from the sea (take this for what it is, I have little knowledge). Although, Chavez is constantly looking to expand his countrys industry, so that could happen.
Considering the possibility that Colombia will be involved to some extent if the US strikes/invades, what else do they field but 300.000 soldiers?
Venezuela has $40bn in currency reserves for those rainy days.
What are your sources?
One of Chavez's main objectives is to expand their industry on multiple fields. This is not only to divert their economy from oil, but also for the sake expanding the know-how of Venezuelans (much like Turkey does militarily, but on a civil side of industry).
In the past years they have, and continously are, expanding their know-how in agriculture; farming animals and growing crops they haven't before, while gaining that know-how from Argentina and Brazil. They've/are building a tractor factory with Irianan help (as well as building cars/car parts for the domestic and L.A. I think).
They have also in the same line of thinking started to nationalize industial factories that are strategic for the countrys growth (and that have been exporting loads instead of supplying the internal market); Sidor, the steel plant; three big cement companies.
So, I'm sure that Chavez is looking at that cost for the factory out of that perspective. Same goes if they're to build T-90's them selves.
That's against your constituton borracho.
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Do you have a source that the submarine deal has been signed?
Mi-17, Mi-35 and Mi-26 are already being delivered.
Sure they can be. If you want second-hand Soviet war stocks. The Ukranians from what I can gather can't even refurbish them. T-72s is what they initially suggested they want to buy from Russia, to which Russia responded to with an offer of either T-72 or T-90. I suspect that we will try to sell the T-90 because it would mean an actual production contract as opposed to just selling off old stock. As for numbers, they have ~300 AMX-30 right? So if they're only replacing on a one for one basis that means at least 300 T-90's.
Deals as large as the T-90 one could involve some local assembly. It might even involve licensed production locally.
wimpymouse
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Damn, aparantly I was totaly wrong somehow. This is the last article I could find and according to it they're still not ordered.
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=2831
And looking in venezuelanalysis if found this below confirming the above from that timeframe I was reading about it.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/2449
I must have been reading too much Kommersant or something back then.
Anyways it's pretty sad that they haven't realized the greater importance those subs would have in case of an occupation, over new MBT's and IFV's.Right, Mi-26, had to look those up, those are huge..
Well, that would leave Ukrania out of the question then. 300 was more than I could imagine they would have, but it does make sence considering how big the country is and with that terrain.
If 300 T-90's, then were looking at least at the same amount of BMP3's, if not double. Is there a possibility that they're looking to bake the T-90's and the BMP3's into the same deal and get the licenced production for both in the same plant, is it technicly feasible, and will the Russians allow them?
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It's starting to look like there won't be a major deal in the next little while. There were several arms-tass articles in the fall that all dealt with this and mentioned the possibility, and talked about how Venezuela expressed interest in the platforms, and how it needed them to replace older equipment. Then it got quiet and nothing new has come since then. I'm suspecting that it got put on the back burner due to oil price drops.
EDIT: The Russian government even promised additional support and potentially additional purchases to our defense industry, to make up for likely losses from the crisis. While this isn't directly related to the Venezuelan negotiations, I suspect that the overall situation just isn't very conducive to large scale acquisition projects.
EDIT: The Russian government even promised additional support and potentially additional purchases to our defense industry, to make up for likely losses from the crisis. While this isn't directly related to the Venezuelan negotiations, I suspect that the overall situation just isn't very conducive to large scale acquisition projects.
It's true. No concrete evidence yet showing Venezuela will purchase BMP-3 IFV but the posibilities still there. If we checked Venezuela Army asset, all those who has same classes and capabilities as IFV are obselete. AMX-13, V-100/150 & FV101 Scorpion are outdated or if being upgraded, will cost more to Venezuela money.
We will also start to see new and update purchases of Argentina`s ground equipment, a part of that was just announced with a major turret upgrade package for 260 TAM platforms, a German company will be involved with this.Im sure that Argetina has no problem at defending its Amazon area.
Hey buddy,
Yes, pretty much will consist of FCS with Thermals and new turret drive. It is feasible to place a 120mm into it I doubt if they go to it due to logistical concerns and cost.
Tam
Not that Argentina and Chile are at war or anything but wouldn't the TAM tanks be used more as tank destroyers against Leo II's if push came to shove? Ambush or hit and run type battle I guess.
Can a Leo II front armor stop a 105mm round say from 500 yards?
I assume with the cooper money that Chile would have more funding for training as well, Chile's crews would have a huge edge. Still 240 is a nice amount could jump start their armor and mechanized units some.
I would have thought many years ago that the TAM tanks might have pick up some export orders because of their lighter weight and at the time large main gun. Jungle roads and less weight on the bridges seems like a good fit I guess the 82 war knocked out their economy.
Not that Argentina and Chile are at war or anything but wouldn't the TAM tanks be used more as tank destroyers against Leo II's if push came to shove? Ambush or hit and run type battle I guess.
Can a Leo II front armor stop a 105mm round say from 500 yards?
I assume with the cooper money that Chile would have more funding for training as well, Chile's crews would have a huge edge. Still 240 is a nice amount could jump start their armor and mechanized units some.
I would have thought many years ago that the TAM tanks might have pick up some export orders because of their lighter weight and at the time large main gun. Jungle roads and less weight on the bridges seems like a good fit I guess the 82 war knocked out their economy.