Black Eagle MBT

extern

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Will those T-72 be upgraded to a T-72BM standard? I read about T-72BM having improved 2A46M-5 gun, V-92S2 1,000ks diesel engine, Relikt ERA, SLAT armour, heat reduction kit and mutch improved FCS. Also mutch posibly more modern materials will be used to construct main armour posibly increasing it. Do you think such modernised T-72 is up to M1 or M1A1?
From 1991 untill 2006 the modernization of T-72's was provided up to the T-72M1 level(look its spec). It has 1st gen IR device, K-5 ERA and its armor and IR suited in raw M1 Abrams level (see oficially info of NII Stali about it).

Starting from 2006 the new variant of modernisation was born with new gen IR TV imaging device, Relict ERA, new engine, auxulary energy supply, termal sensor muzzle reference system, more precise gun, longer autoloader, stronger munition, IR/Radar signature reduce measures etc etc under the name T-72BM. This model became the answer to M1A2 Abrams.
On the pictures:
1) T-72M1 specs
2)-4) T-72M1
5)-6) T-72BM
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
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How new battle tanks US are affording in 2006? :p: Look, if you have a fleet of 25 000 tanks & between them some 15 000 well upgradable T-80's T-72's and T-90's, u are in total stupidness if u start mass production of brand-new tank without thinking about what you have allready. And if you are thinking about a new caliber (not mention 135 or 140mm) for ur new gen tank, so why you dont better think about new caliber for all ur fleet? Otherwise, you will remain with only few handreds contemporal tanks and 10 000 rubbish pots with much logistic headache. I'm used to think, the modernisation (if availiable) is the most effective way to rise the military potential. Yeah, Russia keep run for some 50 new tanks a year, but some 150 additional are upgraded. I think, this relation will be kept when instead the T-90's they would roll out T-95.

Now, how an interchangable MG can help? It's obvious: you are first starting to put such gun on your new brands and upgrades with 125 mm. When the quantity grows, the quick transfer to higher caliber munition become worthwile.

For example, Russia has huge fleet of T-80. Most of them have obsolet complexion (Like M1 against M1A2) but with good potenial for upgrade: exellent chassis, an efective GT or turbocharged diesel engine. Omsktransmash design unit (the Black Eagle developer) is now offering its upgrades programs for T-80: it includes an external autoloader (puting on the old turret), new ERA, new FCS and many many other gadgets. It will not be Black Eagle, but will use a part of its technologies. The new MG with variable caliber may become a part of such upgrade in the future.
No one here will challenge the fact that Russia will upgrade her current tank fleet, I have been saying this fact, my doubts are when they will come with their next generation tank, there is no way that they are going to slap a 140mm inside a up graded T-80, again what is the point? for less ammo, you keep stating that it is a 140mm gun do you know that for sure? And why does Germany, U.S, France or Britian need to come out with new tanks for, they are fully capable of handling anything on the modern battlefield. When the U.S does come out with their new version you are talking 5 to 7 years. There is no reason for Russia to put a 120mm or a 140mm?? inside a T-80 not unless they plan on exporting them. Show me the facts on the 140mm.:)
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
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Will those T-72 be upgraded to a T-72BM standard? I read about T-72BM having improved 2A46M-5 gun, V-92S2 1,000ks diesel engine, Relikt ERA, SLAT armour, heat reduction kit and mutch improved FCS. Also mutch posibly more modern materials will be used to construct main armour posibly increasing it. Do you think such modernised T-72 is up to M1 or M1A1?
A T-72BM is finally up to par with a M1, except for armor protection.
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
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From 1991 untill 2006 the modernization of T-72's was provided up to the T-72M1 level(look its spec). It has 1st gen IR device, K-5 ERA and its armor and IR suited in raw M1 Abrams level (see oficially info of NII Stali about it).

Starting from 2006 the new variant of modernisation was born with new gen IR TV imaging device, Relict ERA, new engine, auxulary energy supply, termal sensor muzzle reference system, more precise gun, longer autoloader, stronger munition, IR/Radar signature reduce measures etc etc under the name T-72BM. This model became the answer to M1A2 Abrams.
On the pictures:
1) T-72M1 specs
2)-4) T-72M1
5)-6) T-72BM
Now they have solved the issue in regards to room for the auto loader?
:)
 

extern

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There is no reason for Russia to put a 120mm or a 140mm?? inside a T-80 not unless they plan on exporting them. Show me the facts on the 140mm.:)
I think, It's you who say about 140mm on russian tanks. I said about 135mm that according to 1-2 papers MIGHT be on Black Eagle.
Now they have solved the issue in regards to room for the auto loader?
:)
True, this isue is fixed on T-72BM, that only starting to be in production. They put the rounds obliquely, by diagonal projection of AL.
 

eckherl

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I think, It's you who say about 140mm on russian tanks. I said about 135mm that according to 1-2 papers MIGHT be on Black Eagle.
True, this isue is fixed on T-72BM, that only starting to be in production. They put the rounds obliquely, by diagonal projection of AL.
Did you not show me a picture of a breech mechanism showing three barrels that can be used? 120/125/140/. I have been telling you that it will be a 135mm, it was between this caliber or the 152mm for their next generation battle tank and it was the 135mm that won out.

On the issue of the Ukrainian T-84 night sight, it is a French ALIS Thermal, a pretty good sighting system.
 

extern

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Did you not show me a picture of a breech mechanism showing three barrels that can be used? 120/125/140/. ...

On the issue of the Ukrainian T-84 night sight, it is a French ALIS Thermal, a pretty good sighting system.
- I wright the explanation, it was ukrainian Bagira MG (under development) - it's really 'for export only'.

About T-84 sight, they claim on their site it is Byelorussian-French Buran-Catherine. It is the same sight, that is installed on T-90S.
 

eckherl

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- I wright the explanation, it was ukrainian Bagira MG (under development) - it's really 'for export only'.

About T-84 sight, they claim on their site it is Byelorussian-French Buran-Catherine. It is the same sight, that is installed on T-90S.
I was told by someone official that it is a Alis thermal, that is being offered.
 

eckherl

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May be I donno... Anyway there is advertising movie of the Kharkov's tank enterprise. It might have an answer to our doubtfulness :confused: : http://www.pwgs.org/video/kmdb.avi
Nice video - just like the video states, they do have a very close working relationship with us. It would be pretty neat to visit their facilities, even better if I could visit the Nizhni-Tagil plant in Russia.:D
 

extern

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Nice video - just like the video states, they do have a very close working relationship with us. :D
Of course... Just like with Saddam Hussein ('Kolchuga' anti-stealth radar) and Iran (mil-transport aircrafts, tank modernisation, gas turbines etc). Why not? :D It is the last Iranian T-72 modernisation with recognisable Kharkovian input:
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
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Of course... Just like with Saddam Hussein ('Kolchuga' anti-stealth radar) and Iran (mil-transport aircrafts, tank modernisation, gas turbines etc). Why not? :D It is the last Iranian T-72 modernisation with recognisable Kharkovian input:
They have been very aggressive in the world market.
 
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