Another new fighter jet for Korea
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Would China rather then aid NK, just shut the border, double the guard and block the expected influx of refugees from fleeing the war. That is Chinas main fear about a war, the people coming across their border, they know hes not THAT crazy that he would launch Nukes, bios and chem maybe, but not a nuke, too much of a shit fight to handle.
Is the upgrades to SK Air Force really just to hold out against china more then NK?
You could see the NK being swatted out of the skies, but Chinas upgrades perhaps are creating more fear for the souths leadership then the North ever could imagine.
Is the upgrades to SK Air Force really just to hold out against china more then NK?
You could see the NK being swatted out of the skies, but Chinas upgrades perhaps are creating more fear for the souths leadership then the North ever could imagine.
The $2.5 billion deal is for 20 aircraft suggesting that this includes a sizeable weapons package.
It has been mentioned on other forums that this deal (if it goes ahead) with be routed through US foreign military sales channels, which requires Congressional approval, rather than as a Direct Commercial Sale (as was the deal for the F-15SG).
So why does RoK want to chose the hard path?
It might be a way to get other systems tagged on to the deal as future options, more aircraft or other equipment, such linkage may make it easier to get the whole package through Congress (e.g. Global Hawk).
It might just be that sensing a possible sea change RoK/US think that Congressional approval will offer better protection against political changes than a straight commercial deal.
Or perhaps there are potentially sensitive weapons included in the package, that require Congressional approval where are the F-15K (to F-15SG standard) could be progressed on a commercial basis.
I think that I would like a look at the detailed list of weapons included in the package before making up my mind, why RoK appears to be taking the hard path.
Chris
It has been mentioned on other forums that this deal (if it goes ahead) with be routed through US foreign military sales channels, which requires Congressional approval, rather than as a Direct Commercial Sale (as was the deal for the F-15SG).
So why does RoK want to chose the hard path?
It might be a way to get other systems tagged on to the deal as future options, more aircraft or other equipment, such linkage may make it easier to get the whole package through Congress (e.g. Global Hawk).
It might just be that sensing a possible sea change RoK/US think that Congressional approval will offer better protection against political changes than a straight commercial deal.
Or perhaps there are potentially sensitive weapons included in the package, that require Congressional approval where are the F-15K (to F-15SG standard) could be progressed on a commercial basis.
I think that I would like a look at the detailed list of weapons included in the package before making up my mind, why RoK appears to be taking the hard path.
Chris
goldenpanda
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Second optimal.
Best is a regime just like ours.
Which we will arm.
Against hopelessly hostile USA.
When Kim kicks the bucket this is possible.
In a highly wishful thinking sense.
Why does Russia helps us?
""The policy of the Americans' regarding the European Union and the post-Soviet region fills some of us with amazement and disappointment. One must say to the Americans quite clearly,
“There are not only the interests of the United States at stake, but the legitimate interests of the European Union, where half a billion human beings live, and who must be permitted to democratically decide their own fate in their own way."
- Mikhail Gorbachev
http://www.gorby.ru/en/rubrs.asp?art_id=25355&rubr_id=305&page=2
Grand Danois
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Russia isn't helping China.
Take notice on what directions all the PRC and Russian nukes are pointing.
They consider each other their biggest threat.
Ypu've forgotten something very, very important: a regime just like yours would be fiercely nationalistic, extremely prickly, remember all old grievances & demand restoration of ancient borders. This would make it unremittingly hostile to China (and Japan). It would therefore seek friends elsewhere, arm itself to the teeth with the latest & best weapons, encourage the Korean minority in Manchuria to identify themselves with Korea, & claim that a substantial chunk of Manchuria is Korean territory, digging up ancient maps of Koguryo to justify its claim.
You really, really don't want a neighbour like that.
I agree very much with the strategic assesment of swerve.
The posture of China is only liable to enforce the utmost reservation among its neighbours.
Dispite the Chinese point of view of their rights and the benefits of being a chinese colony, everybody but China would peruse the Chinese behavior towards:
Tibet
Hong Kong
Taiwan
and arrive at their own conclusion.
The posture of China is only liable to enforce the utmost reservation among its neighbours.
Dispite the Chinese point of view of their rights and the benefits of being a chinese colony, everybody but China would peruse the Chinese behavior towards:
Tibet
Hong Kong
Taiwan
and arrive at their own conclusion.
goldenpanda
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You might not have known this. But we gave up outer mongolia (2 million sq kilometers), and a sizable chunk of Manchuria to Soviets. We're nationalistic but not suicidal. Koreans are same.Ypu've forgotten something very, very important: a regime just like yours would be fiercely nationalistic, extremely prickly, remember all old grievances & demand restoration of ancient borders. This would make it unremittingly hostile to China (and Japan). It would therefore seek friends elsewhere, arm itself to the teeth with the latest & best weapons, encourage the Korean minority in Manchuria to identify themselves with Korea, & claim that a substantial chunk of Manchuria is Korean territory, digging up ancient maps of Koguryo to justify its claim.
You really, really don't want a neighbour like that.
goldenpanda
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actually the non anglo-saxon world couldn't care less. Most people in the world are not constantly creating illusions to justify some suppressed longing for crusades.
"The biggest reason that the two Koreas have failed to make satisfactory progress in improving their relationship is the tense relations between North Korea and the U.S."
- South Korean President Kim Dae-jung
http://www.gorby.ru/en/rubrs.asp?rubr_id=305&art_id=25176
goldenpanda
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"Please don't put even more obstacles in our way. Do you really think you are smarter than we are?"
"Americans have a severe disease -- worse than AIDS. It's called the winner's complex"
"[dick cheney and donald rumsfeld] are just hawks protecting the interests of the military -- shallow people"
-Mikhail Gorbachev
http://www.gorby.ru/en/rubrs.asp?rubr_id=305&art_id=25215
goldenpanda
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goldenpanda
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so what are these, us troops on foreign soil, or just natural anglophiles?You should take into account that many people posting here are not americans.
Grand Danois
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As far as I can tell, you are currently responding to true blue Danes, Germans and British.
Why do you seem to think that everyone who suggests anything contrary to your point of view is some sort of American puppet or alternatively that they are anglophiles. At least one of the people arguing with you comes from a country that has twice been at war with both England and the USA in the last century. Like Ths I just can't fathom out what it is you are trying to achieve.
Cheers
goldenpanda
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Not about point of view. It's about the mentality. Anglophile is just how I'd put it. Of course you may disagree with me. Is it ok if I disagree with you?
Of course it is. I have no arguments with that, and you wouldn't be the first to do so!
Cheers
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