thunder299
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Thanks man suleman thats great work
.yar please tell me recent price of the f-15 and new f-16 fighting falcons
.yar please tell me recent price of the f-15 and new f-16 fighting falcons
Aircraft Prices
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Little contribution from first page
Not sure if its been done yet (probably has) but here is the first page I saw, can see someone has put effort into getting all of this info so thought i sohuld help with the formatting.
There is the list
Not sure if its been done yet (probably has) but here is the first page I saw, can see someone has put effort into getting all of this info so thought i sohuld help with the formatting.
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Name ----------- -- Fiscal Year (Year USD) -------- Price (millions)
A-10 Thunderbolt II -------- FY82 --------------- ----- $12.1
A-4 FY77 $ 2.8
A-6E Intruder FY88 $55.5
AH-1 HueyCobra FY95 $11.275
AH-64A Apache FY94 $16.76
AH-64D Longbow appr. $15.2
B-1B Lancer average $178
B-2 Spirit FY93 $872.25
B-52 Stratofortress 1961 $5.4
BAe Hawk 1996 $9-15
Boeing 767 AWACS 1997 est. $400-500
C-141B Starlifter Modification program cost over $400 for a total of 270 aircraft
C-17 Globemaster FY98 $241.0
C-5B Galaxy FY87 $92.25
Dassault Mirage 2000 1997 appr. $35
Dassault Mirage 50 appr. $7.75
Dassault Rafale B 1996 $64.4
Dassault Rafale C 1996 $60.6
Dassault Rafale M 1996 $65
Dassault Super Etendard 1980 appr. $10.5
E-2C Hawkeye FY96 $55.27
E-3A Sentry FY83 $111.9
EA-6B Prowler FY89 $47.7
EF-111A Raven $21
Eurocopter Super Puma/Cougar 1996 military models $7.0-15.0
Eurocopter Tiger 1996 est. $13.5-14.0
Eurofighter 1997 est. $54.5
F/A-18 C/D Hornet FY96 $44.27
F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet 1996 $48.5
F-111 1973 $14.6
F-117A Nighthawk Program unit $111
Total program costs $6.56 billions
Unit flyaway $42.6 according to the Air Force
F-14D Tomcat FY91 $71.9
F-15 Eagle FY91 $42.875
F-16 Fighting Falcon FY96 $25.67
1996 Unit flyaway est. $71.2
for the planned buy of 438 aircraft .FY96 Total program costs est. $71 billions
F-5E/F Tiger FY83 $11.1
Harrier II Plus 1997 (new build) $29.75-34.5
Harrier/AV-8A 1988 $6.7
Hercules AC-130U FY90 $53.0
Hercules C-130H FY93 $35.9
Hercules C-130J Fy94 $44
Hercules HC-130H FY90 $42.6
Hercules KC-130T FY93 $35.0
Hercules MC-130H FY90 $84.6
HH-60H/HH-60J Jayhawk FY94 $15.1
CH-46 Sea Knight 1987 $6.0
CH-47 Chinook new production $15.9-20.2
CH-53E Super Stallion FY94 $28.25
JSF USAF version $28
JSF USMC version $32
JSF USN version $35-38
KC-135 Stratotanker appr. $20.5
L-39 Albatros 2000 $1-4
L-159 ALCA 2000 est. $12
MH-53E Sea Dragon FY94 $28.25
MiG-23/MiG-27 Flogger 1996 est. $15
MiG-29 Fulcrum 1997 $15.5 (fully-equipped in lots between 25-100)
MiG-29 Fulcrum 1997 $24-31 (fully-equipped in lots of 10-25)
MiG-31 Foxhound 1997 est. $57-60
P-3 Orion FY87 $50.4
Panavia Tornado ECR 1997 $38
Panavia Tornado IDS/ADV 1997 $32-33
RAH-66 Comanche FY95 est. $13.0 (with research a. development est. at $34.4)
Saab JAS-39 Gripen $20-25.75
Sea Harrier 1988 $14
1991 $18
SEPECAT Jaguar 1997 $15.5-16.5
SH-60B Seahawk FY94 $30.81
SH-60F Ocean Hawk FY93 $22.86
Su-24 Fencer 1997 est. $24-25
Su-25 Frogfoot 1997 est. $15.0-15.5
Su-27 Flanker 1997 est. $30
Su-32FN 1997 appr. $36
UH-60L Black Hawk FY97 $8.26
V-22 Osprey est. $32.5
Yak-141 1997 $45-47
Yak-38 1996 est. $18.5
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Fit for role - cheap and cheerful
Looks like people are starting to realise that cost = capability does not have to be a critical factor across all scenarios.
The USA is looking at a plan to swiftly induct up to 100 durable and comparatively low-cost USAF fighters capable of alternating missions on a daily basis, so one day they might be tasked with strike roles, the next, training. The planned entry-into-service date for whatever aircraft the US military selects is 2012 while, over the coming three years, the USAF is set to purchase a large number of piloted reconnaissance aircraft and 60 transport aircraft. The combined costs of the reconnaissance aircraft, the transport aircraft and the new light fighters is expected to come to about $700 million - approximately equal to just five Boeing F-22 Raptors of the type now steadily entering air force service.
Makes total sense to me, with wars in Afghanistan likely to drag on and no credible air-threat, switching to a Tucano type CAS system would bring huge advantages, including, but not limited to:
1. Cost (cheaper than fast-air and attack helicopters)
2. Maintenance (quick turn around time, impacts cost and size of support crew)
3. Training (less man-hours required, lower failure rate - cost reductions)
4. Short take off and landing capable (Tucano)
5. Speed (can keep up and escort Chinooks, now done by Apache, forcing the former to slow down)
6. Strike Power (70mm, cannon, laser guided 500lb bombs)
7. Range (drop tank capable)
8. Sytems (glass-cockpit, same defensive fit as Apache against MAN-PADS)
The UK, Canada and Aussies should do the same. Remove the planned fast air (Typhoon, Harrier or F16) and replace with large quantities of cheaper alternatives flown by Army personnel linked to TAC enabled ground units.
It will be like having Mustangs, Typhoons and Tempests on call again. Perfect for an asymetrical environment. The last time prop-cas was used was during the Vietnam war by both French and US supporting units.
Looks like people are starting to realise that cost = capability does not have to be a critical factor across all scenarios.
The USA is looking at a plan to swiftly induct up to 100 durable and comparatively low-cost USAF fighters capable of alternating missions on a daily basis, so one day they might be tasked with strike roles, the next, training. The planned entry-into-service date for whatever aircraft the US military selects is 2012 while, over the coming three years, the USAF is set to purchase a large number of piloted reconnaissance aircraft and 60 transport aircraft. The combined costs of the reconnaissance aircraft, the transport aircraft and the new light fighters is expected to come to about $700 million - approximately equal to just five Boeing F-22 Raptors of the type now steadily entering air force service.
Makes total sense to me, with wars in Afghanistan likely to drag on and no credible air-threat, switching to a Tucano type CAS system would bring huge advantages, including, but not limited to:
1. Cost (cheaper than fast-air and attack helicopters)
2. Maintenance (quick turn around time, impacts cost and size of support crew)
3. Training (less man-hours required, lower failure rate - cost reductions)
4. Short take off and landing capable (Tucano)
5. Speed (can keep up and escort Chinooks, now done by Apache, forcing the former to slow down)
6. Strike Power (70mm, cannon, laser guided 500lb bombs)
7. Range (drop tank capable)
8. Sytems (glass-cockpit, same defensive fit as Apache against MAN-PADS)
The UK, Canada and Aussies should do the same. Remove the planned fast air (Typhoon, Harrier or F16) and replace with large quantities of cheaper alternatives flown by Army personnel linked to TAC enabled ground units.
It will be like having Mustangs, Typhoons and Tempests on call again. Perfect for an asymetrical environment. The last time prop-cas was used was during the Vietnam war by both French and US supporting units.
icecoolben
New Member
life cycle costs
These are normally in line with prices quoted in wiki. But actual deals cost a lot more why?
For e.g C-17 airlifters cost $ 250 million a piece, But for Indian Air Force it cost $ 580 million a piece. I know it covers spares supply and all. But spares costing more than aircraft price at the initial stage itself. can someone elaborate how they calculate contract prices?
These are normally in line with prices quoted in wiki. But actual deals cost a lot more why?
For e.g C-17 airlifters cost $ 250 million a piece, But for Indian Air Force it cost $ 580 million a piece. I know it covers spares supply and all. But spares costing more than aircraft price at the initial stage itself. can someone elaborate how they calculate contract prices?
Price of JAS 39 Gripen for Thailand.
It will be great if some body can post Price for Gripen , Thailand deal.
If you can get JAS 39 Gripen NG price also please.
Good Day ,
It will be great if some body can post Price for Gripen , Thailand deal.
If you can get JAS 39 Gripen NG price also please.
Cheap surveillance aircraft?
Does the U.S. or any other nation have a need for a light propellor driven surveillance aircraft, similar to the RG-8/SA2-37B, only lighter and cheaper? Just a thought. I've been flying some ex-USAFA TG-7As and thought this would make a dandy light surveillance aircraft with the right modifications. It would be simple, inexpensive, maintainable and capable for border surveillance and surveillance in relatively low-threat environments. Or has this mission gone over completely to UAVs?
Does the U.S. or any other nation have a need for a light propellor driven surveillance aircraft, similar to the RG-8/SA2-37B, only lighter and cheaper? Just a thought. I've been flying some ex-USAFA TG-7As and thought this would make a dandy light surveillance aircraft with the right modifications. It would be simple, inexpensive, maintainable and capable for border surveillance and surveillance in relatively low-threat environments. Or has this mission gone over completely to UAVs?
exported_kiwi
New Member
I think the Argies in 1980's had a decent turboprop airplane in the Pucara! As for the rest, F-35, no thanks! F-16, latest block, far more capable, more legs and more diversified and cheaper!
Twinblade
Member
Initial contracts for IAF can be very misleading as they cover significant ToT as well. That jacks up the prices a lot.
Besides spares and ToT there's a lot of support equipment that's purchased as well. For example, whether you buy a single aircraft or a whole squadron, you'd have to purchase testing equipment, simulators (maybe), training equipment, ground staff training. Sometimes if you specify additional electronics you'd also pay extra to certify the new configuration as well.
Light surveillance
Though the aircraft that you mention are quite capable, they are not of the same type that I am asking about. What I am asking is if there is any current need for an inexpensive, light, manned surveillance aircraft these days -or is this all being done by UAVs? the Pucara, F-16, etc. are QUITE capable -but NOT light piston surveillance planes!
razgrizraven
New Member
Throughout all the years of nearly losing pilots shot down, I guess this is the inexpensive way.
Twinblade
Member
The latest batch of Su-30Mki, completely made in India from "raw material stage" costs ₹3 billion (around $60million US).
Desi Sukhoi does supersonic ballet on debut | Sukhoi | Indian Air Force | The New Indian Express
The last batch ordered from Russia cost around $100 million US.
Desi Sukhoi does supersonic ballet on debut | Sukhoi | Indian Air Force | The New Indian Express
The last batch ordered from Russia cost around $100 million US.
Estimating the Real Cost of modern fighters
Had a look on my harddrive, & found this from defense-aerospace.
It's a little out of date - July 2006 - but it is the best estimate of real prices of military aircraft prices that I've seen.
Sticker Shock: Estimating the Real Cost of Modern Fighter Aircraft
by defense-aerospace.com
Highlights:
- Average unit costs exceed $100 million
- Longer production runs do not always equate to lower unit costs
- International cooperation does not necessarily lead to savings
- One fighter is worth its weight in gold, three are worth their weight in caviar
download - filecloud.io
Also found this, also from 2006 - not sure what the original source is, but it's a professional estimate:
Aircraft Prices.doc
download - filecloud.io
PS. if any of this violates any policy, please notify & I will remove.
Had a look on my harddrive, & found this from defense-aerospace.
It's a little out of date - July 2006 - but it is the best estimate of real prices of military aircraft prices that I've seen.
Sticker Shock: Estimating the Real Cost of Modern Fighter Aircraft
by defense-aerospace.com
Highlights:
- Average unit costs exceed $100 million
- Longer production runs do not always equate to lower unit costs
- International cooperation does not necessarily lead to savings
- One fighter is worth its weight in gold, three are worth their weight in caviar
download - filecloud.io
Also found this, also from 2006 - not sure what the original source is, but it's a professional estimate:
Aircraft Prices.doc
download - filecloud.io
PS. if any of this violates any policy, please notify & I will remove.
You can now see the latest with more information in details pertaining to all the above.
Airforce Technology
Shihidosama
New Member
Lifecycle Costs of F-15SG
Does anyone have an estimate on the lifecycle costs for the F-15SG? Like costs per flying hours?
Does anyone have an estimate on the lifecycle costs for the F-15SG? Like costs per flying hours?
the road runner
Active Member
There was a article DT news that stated F-15 cost close to $50,000 an hour to fly.
F-18 Super hornets were close to $22,000 an hour.
I would assume the cost of a F-15SG would be around the $40,000 an hour mark.
OPSSG any idea?
I have not seen the article and a little behind the curve on that (if you have the link, please point me to it).
I am not sure about the basis of the above comparative numbers for O&M costs of fighter types cited but if you want to take these as indicative, it is not unreasonable to use with proper links and citation, BUT there are lots of like-for-like factors that are not considered in any comparative costs snap shot of different aircraft types (which would include different methods of cost counting by different organisations, like the USAF, USN, RAAF and so on).
For example, Singaporean Mudhens have electronic warfare capabilities (built into some of the F-15SG as internal systems) and because of that they may be more expensive from a O&M point of view. So even when compared with another USAF Mudhen, there might be O&M cost differences, just from the radar and electronic warfare systems alone. Further, Singaporean Mudhens use the F110-GE-129 engines, a different engine type from that used by Singaporean Vipers (F100-PW-220). Singapore made a decision that increased O&M cost, as part of a risk management strategy (to prevent a situation where a precautionary grounding due to a particular engine, would not affect all fighters). And this 2nd point I made is not usually factored in general O&M discussions.
I am pretty sure that the actual Republic of Singapore Air Force numbers for O&M would be treated as classified and therefore no comments or attempts to guess the numbers, from me.
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the road runner
Active Member
I have been searching the "Defence Talk,News thread" but can not find it.
I recall the cost breakdown being
$52,000 for F-15 per hour.
$32,000 for JSF per hour
$22,000 for F-18 per hour.
$18,000 for F-16 per hour.
I found a link below
Defence of our Nation: The Troubled F-35 Lightning Program
With similar numbers for JSF and F-18 Super hornets
Cost per Flying Hour
5. US Naval Air Systems Command[6] has indicated a cost of US$30,700 or £18,700 per flying hour for the F-35. The cost per flying hour for Harrier and the F/A-18 equates to US$22,000 or £13,400 – a difference per hour of US$8,700 or £5,294.
I do understand its not wise to compare prices in general for Aircraft and flight hours.
Cheers.