140 M1A1 SA tanks for Iraq At Last

[Marc 1]

There is a prevailing mood that the insurgency in Iraq is petering out.

Any opinions?

Yep, the threat I'm talking about (Iran) is external to Iraq's borders. It is thought that Iran was pulling a lot of the strings in the Iraqi insurgency - my guess is they are letting things quiet down and become 'safe' so that the US will withdraw their forces (makes Obama look good and they need to redeploy them to Afghanistan). Then Iran can roll across the border in a conventional assault or to try to stop sunni's being slaughtered in some kind of Iranian engineered conflict (that would give them an excuse).

 

[Chino]

...my guess is they are letting things quiet down and become 'safe' so that the US will withdraw their forces .... Then Iran can roll across the border in a conventional assault

My thoughts, too.

Though I doubt Iran will officially invade Iraq and give the infidels a chance to go and create hell in Iran.

 

[Almaleki]

OK.

Please point out the part of my sentence in which I have offended Islam. If you can't, please stop acting like a drama queen.

I was talking about Iraq - your country - SPECIFICALLY. And NOT the whole Islamic world. Get it?

My describing Iraq as an "Islamic state" is incorrect, so I take that back with apologies.

The other part of my statement describes Iraq as "unstable". Is that also incorrect?

Unless you have a very different interpretation of the word "unstable" (or a very elastic tolerance) I would say that Iraq is still a very unstable country. No?

If I were to rephrase my sentence, it would read:

"Isn't it dangerous to sell weapons to an unstable country with lots of armed Islamic Jihadist insurgents running around...? Or am I just paranoid?"

EDIT: I just realised I was replying to a member already banned.

you see in the Arabic world or the Islamic world there is only one Islamic state which is from France to China ,, and as is see the Map iraq is within you said Islamic State what is the Diff, between Iraq and Iran or Saudi Arabia we are the same ,, i wont go again or take other Ban to grow up ,, the religious people now are massacred and they tell them go grow up !!

and Yeah it is " incorrect " ,, Iraq is not alike China Has Newly democratic Starting the Army cant come and Kill you or Arrest you without telling you why !!! and even if it is not stable then thats mean that we need Us Equipment ,, cuz you liberated us in the first Place ,, and dont think that we buy just from US ,, the Defence Minister of Iraq saw the Tiger Helos and the Sea Panther and Some Anti Air and Anti Armor Missiles Launchers and The French Tank Leclerc ,, we could buy from anywhere so dont be paranoid ....

 

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[Almaleki]

They won't survive if the US leaves them defenceless with Iran across the border.

USAF will stay until 2015 i though but in Ground our forces is good if we exercised the incoming buy of M-1A1 that will be 420 Tank and with the 172 Tank T-72 and the other being refrub thats good ?

 

[Almaleki]

My thoughts, too.

Though I doubt Iran will officially invade Iraq and give the infidels a chance to go and create hell in Iran.

look we have advantages on Iran our Operational Ability will be in 2013 Corp Level like Turkey And US ....

if the M-1 comes we will have advantage on Zuilfaqar-1 and -2 but -3 is the same as Abrams so we need Numbers ,,

 

[Marc 1]

USAF will stay until 2015 i though but in Ground our forces is good if we exercised the incoming buy of M-1A1 that will be 420 Tank and with the 172 Tank T-72 and the other being refrub thats good ?

That was my point - I don't have a problem with Iraq being equipped with M1's - its good for their own defence.

 

[Feanor]

look we have advantages on Iran our Operational Ability will be in 2013 Corp Level like Turkey And US ....

if the M-1 comes we will have advantage on Zuilfaqar-1 and -2 but -3 is the same as Abrams so we need Numbers ,,

Where does your info on the Zulfiqar come from?

 

[Almaleki]

Iranian And Arabic Forums ,, they say its modified from M60A3-120 ( the Amerian Modify ) and some Armor Plates with Laser And Heat designators ,, Almost an M1A1 as they say ,,,
these are pictures for the Tank from Arabic Forums :

Zuilfaqar-1 :

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Zulfiqar-1_MBT.jpg

http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/Tanky/zulfiqr.jpg

this Tank is Modified from T-55 and M48

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Beautiful_Zulfiqar-1.jpg
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Zuilfaqar-2 :

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic2.jpg

modified from T-72M and M60A1

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Zuilfaqar-3

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic2.jpg

Modified as Iranians Say from M1A1 , T72 and M60

 

[Tavarisch]

Iranian And Arabic Forums ,, they say its modified from M60A3-120 ( the Amerian Modify ) and some Armor Plates with Laser And Heat designators ,, Almost an M1A1 as they say ,,,
these are pictures for the Tank from Arabic Forums :

Zuilfaqar-1 :

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Zulfiqar-1_MBT.jpg

http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/Tanky/zulfiqr.jpg

this Tank is Modified from T-55 and M48

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Beautiful_Zulfiqar-1.jpg
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Zuilfaqar-2 :

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic2.jpg

modified from T-72M and M60A1

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Zuilfaqar-3

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic2.jpg

Modified as Iranians Say from M1A1 , T72 and M60

Edit : Whoops, didn't read carefully.

 

[Feanor]

So your info comes from another forum.... not the most reputable of sources. Where would the Iranians have an M1A1 to modify? Sounds like garbage to me. I can see mods of T-72s, M-48s and M-60s. But I doubt anything particularly advanced came from those.

 

[Almaleki]

Well , I think they Meant the Same ability as An M1A1

 

[Feanor]

I'm wondering how they were able to compare? In order to compare they would need actual info on the Zulfiqar 3. Can you ask them to provide that info (and their source)?

 

[Tavarisch]

I'm wondering how they were able to compare? In order to compare they would need actual info on the Zulfiqar 3. Can you ask them to provide that info (and their source)?

Wikipedia says that it is essentially either a Patton with a 125mm gun in a box turret that's auto-loaded. I guess they can compare in a sense that both guns are capable of mashing armor.

 

[Feanor]

There are three tanks here that we're talking about. Zulfiqar 1, 2, and 3. Almaleki said that there are significant differences between them. I'm curious as to what those differences are.

 

[StevoJH]

There are three tanks here that we're talking about. Zulfiqar 1, 2, and 3. Almaleki said that there are significant differences between them. I'm curious as to what those differences are.

There are external links to images of the #1 and #3 on the wikipedia page. I've uploaded them to this post, hopefully they are of what they say they are. From the images i'm assuming 03 and 04 are the # and 05 is the #1. Wiki says two was a technology demonstrater. I know wiki isnt the best image source, but it will have to do till we find a more accurate one.

 

[Almaleki]

Well that is their Analysis not mine ,,,

 

[eckherl]

Iranian And Arabic Forums ,, they say its modified from M60A3-120 ( the Amerian Modify ) and some Armor Plates with Laser And Heat designators ,, Almost an M1A1 as they say ,,,
these are pictures for the Tank from Arabic Forums :

Zuilfaqar-1 :

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Zulfiqar-1_MBT.jpg

http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/Tanky/zulfiqr.jpg

this Tank is Modified from T-55 and M48

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4699/medium/Beautiful_Zulfiqar-1.jpg
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Zuilfaqar-2 :

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar2-pic2.jpg

modified from T-72M and M60A1

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Zuilfaqar-3

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic1.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/images/zolfaghar3-pic2.jpg

Modified as Iranians Say from M1A1 , T72 and M60

No, Zuilfaqar is not even close to being a M1A1, technology for the Z series comes from China as far as armor protection and FCS, the Z3 is not even close to being fielded at this time, what you see in the parades are just some test bed vehicles for propaganda purposes.

 

[Almaleki]

eckrel ,, i sure hope so ... cuz we want their tanks to even not move if we have war with them

 

[F-15 Eagle]

eckrel ,, i sure hope so ... cuz we want their tanks to even not move if we have war with them

I would not consider them a threat since we built the tanks then we know how to destroy them in war.