Venezuela Update

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KipPotapych

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Follow up to what I was saying yesterday:

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Reuters article citing the FT article cited in the tweet attached above:


The question here is: is that how the US gets troops on the ground and throws taxpayers’ (the tariff) money at the oil or is this where the orange dreams end?
(Quoting myself for continuity)

Another follow up on the orange dreams of oil, the last one probably as it is becoming rather clear now and basically confirms what I originally posted on the subject. First, I would encourage you to listen to the XOM chief responding to Trump. In short, Exxon had been in Venezuela since the 1940s and their assets there were seized twice; today Venezuela is uninvestable; but you have done great, Mr President and we appreciate your work.


Chevron’s chief was more optimistic (or more cautious around Trump?) and said that they can increase the output and (something like) are committed to investment in Venezuela. Easier for Chevron since they are already there. Of course, this happened then (no video, since it would have to be cropped to show this), lol:

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Basically, none of the big boys are going to throw any big money into VZ for the reasons I discussed previously. Trump asked for $100B and this is really the minimum and still ludicrous to expect anyone agreeing to it.


Smaller guys expressed some interest though (easier to be forgotten by the big man).

Regarding the $100B figure and perspective. I saw a reasonable estimate of over (it’s really at least) $10B required for security alone over the next decade.

Another thing I talked about the other day:

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All this is just way too obvious to those familiar with the industry. His “plan” is a dud. But, what I described previously as redirection of VZ oil exports is a thing. The reports indicate, however, that China is looking into securing more of our (Canada) oil exports (also heavy sour for the most part, less so than VZ), while they are already buying about 40% of Canadian oil leaving from the BC terminal. It appears we are heading towards being added to the “axis”, replacing the now friendly Venezuela, and getting primed for annexation (looking at you BigZ). We need to build the damn pipes going east and west asap and without government participation as was the case with the TMX expansion. I doubt that is going to happen though, with or without government participation, because we are… well, we are we.

Side note, Trump said he would meet Machado next week and would be honoured to accept the Noble Peace from her that she previously said she would share with him.


This is off topic (and I am not looking for a discussion derailing the thread), but I have never seen anything like this in my life. I would bet a good share of medical professionals has neither. This is really something and we get the privilege of watching it from the from row seats. France is postponing the G7 meeting they are hosting because Trump is having an MMA event in the freaking White House that day, for his birthday (very cute). This is really amazing stuff, in spite of being completely nuts.
 

rsemmes

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Maybe Trump could convince Chine to invest in Venezuela.
“Open for business”: The president defended his administration’s operation in Venezuela, saying adversaries like China and Russia would have taken over oil production if the US didn’t do it first. That being said, Trump said he would sell China and Russia “all the oil they need.”

Yes, I am confused and not only for "China is owed at least $10 billion from Venezuela, according to various estimates, a debt that former Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro had paid down by shipping oil to China."
EDIT Trump has a China problem in Venezuela: What to do with Beijing's debt and oil stakes

This is off topic (and I am not looking for a discussion derailing the thread)
Yes, oil operations are not military operations, just the reason for those military operations.

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US selling Venezuelan oil to Russia? (Is that Arthur C. Clark?)
Also, it seems that Big_Zucchini "does not understand" Trump. (Or US and China are in the same "axis")
 
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Ananda

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Like I said previously, this is shown more and more as Hostile Corporate Take Over strategy. It is not folow Geopolitics logic and even US Domestics Politics are not influence much. Unlike previous US presidents moves, if we want to get Sense on what he's doing, then look to his business practices more. At least that's what increasing number of Financial Market analysts more and more sense it.
 
I think it is obvious that this isnt about Trump. Trump is a psychological ill person and just acts as figurehead. The whole purpose of this move was to steal the resources of Venezuela and to enslave its people. Evrybody knows that Maduro was a bad leader, but the situation now is worse. Trump openly says venezuelan oil shall only go to USA and at same time Venezuela shall only buy american products. Thats "United Fruit Company" style of politics. It should not be allowed to suceed. The good thing is, that south americans react extremly allergic to this kind of things. American oil corporations know this and are scared to go into Venezuela...for good reason. Its in the absolute interest of the people of Venezeula to oppose this and there is no industry more fragile than the oil industry. It cant operate under constant sabotage and that is exactly what will happen.
 

Arji

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Like I said previously, this is shown more and more as Hostile Corporate Take Over strategy. It is not folow Geopolitics logic and even US Domestics Politics are not influence much. Unlike previous US presidents moves, if we want to get Sense on what he's doing, then look to his business practices more. At least that's what increasing number of Financial Market analysts more and more sense it.
The thing is, he's not much of a business man either considering his track record.

Looking at his policy, I got a sense that he's not someone that believes in a "win-win" arrangement. If your counterpart walk away from the negotiation thinking they got a good deal, then that means they're ripping you off, and you should've ask for more. From how he ceased USAID, getting out of every UN body under the sun, antagonizing NATO partner, all he sees is money spent by the US with no benefit, nevermind that the massive global influence the US brought about by it. It's all very zero-sum to him (or at least to his inner circle). The thing is, even his business disagree with his philosophy, and I feel like the only reason he could get away with it for now is due to the sheer resources/influence the US accumulate before his time.
 
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The thing is, he's not much of a business man either considering his track record.

Looking at his policy, I got a sense that he's not someone that believes in a "win-win" arrangement. If your counterpart walk away from the negotiation thinking they got a good deal, then that means they're ripping you off, and you should've ask for more. From how he ceased USAID, getting out of every UN body under the sun, antagonizing NATO partner, all he sees is money spent by the US with no benefit, nevermind that the massive global influence the US brought about by it. It's all very zero-sum to him (or at least to his inner circle). The thing is, even his business disagree with his philosophy, and I feel like the only reason he could get away with it for now is due to the sheer resources/influence the US accumulate before his time.
I agree but i think it reached the red line where that incluence starts to run out.
 

Ananda

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The thing is, he's not much of a business man either considering his track record.

Looking at his policy, I got a sense that he's not someone that believes in a "win-win" arrangement. If your counterpart walk away from the negotiation thinking they got a good deal, then that means they're ripping you off, and you should've ask for more.

New York Times Analysis (2016):
An analysis of 61 of Trump's projects from the 2000s to 2012 found:
  • 21 projects "Measured up" (successes).
  • 16 projects "Had problems".
  • 24 projects "Didn't work out" (failures).
  • This suggests a success rate of around 34%, which some financial analysts consider a "pretty good record" for an active entrepreneur.
Well regardless how his business track record is, his business style is image building, bravado, and high risk strategy. He like to bluff as his business strategy shown he is highly risk takers.

That's why some market financial analysts looking at his policy base on his business strategy behaviours. More then Geopolitics and US internal politics. Trump is image building for both that support him and against him. He doesn't care what others that against him, as he does not want to waste time for those on 'other side' of his business venture. Thus in his mind his MAGA politics is his business venture.

. Trump is a psychological ill person and just acts as figurehead
Figure head ?? Are you have prove or are you bringing conspiracy theory to this.
 



Well regardless how his business track record is, his business style is image building, bravado, and high risk strategy. He like to bluff as his business strategy shown he is highly risk takers.

That's why some market financial analysts looking at his policy base on his business strategy behaviours. More then Geopolitics and US internal politics. Trump is image building for both that support him and against him. He doesn't care what others that against him, as he does not want to waste time for those on 'other side' of his business venture. Thus in his mind his MAGA politics is his business venture.



Figure head ?? Are you have prove or are you bringing conspiracy theory to this.
Evry president is just a figurehead. Do you think presidents make the preparations of decissions ect?

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Ananda

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Evry president is just a figurehead. Do you think presidents make the preparations of decissions ect?
Figurehead is means he/she are not decision maker. Decision being push to them, without they can say yes or no. Just like constitutional Monarch in most of Euro. What you put is technical preparation, not decision making execution. Seems you have not much experience in company or government bureaucracy process.

Big difference with term of Figurehead. Trump has full executive power, not just constitutional ceremonial like Euro Monarch. Those monarch are figurehead. Google oxford dictionary on what is the meaning of "Figurehead" leader.
 
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Figurehead is means he/she are not decision maker. Decision being push to them, without they can say yes or no. Just like constitutional Monarch in most of Euro. What you put is technical preparation, not decision making execution. Seems you have not much experience in company or government bureaucracy process.

Big difference with term of Figurehead. Trump has full executive power, not just constitutional ceremonial like Euro Monarch. Those monarch are figurehead. Google oxford dictionary on what is the meaning of "Figurehead" leader.
Of course he is not the decission maker. Decissions are made by the staff and he gets it to be signed.

My mother is assistant to the leader of a state office. She had 3 so far "under her". She descides what he gets to decide, she decides how his decission is formed. And its that way with evrywhere. Trump cant speak a clear sentence and has no clue whats going on. He gets the stuff told and does as told. Seems you have not much experience in compay and government process.
 

Ananda

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course he is not the decission maker. Decissions are made by the staff and he gets it to be signed.
Do you have prove on that ?? If you don't have prove on that, then it is same as spreading lies close to trolling.

First I ask you prove that he is figurehead, you deflect to talking on technical bureaucracy process as prove he is Figurehead. Something that not in line on what is Figurehead leader according to Oxford dictionary.

Now you claim he is not decision maker. Do you have prove on that? Cause if not it is either your fantasy or you are only want to troll the discussion.
 
And....Trumps claim to colonize Venezuela appears to fail spectacular. Looks like vigilantes go from street to street and hunt for americans. Its so serious that the US foreign ministry issues a evacuation notice. Looks like catching the bus driver doesnt give control over the country. Somehow Trumps plan to rule over the americas doesnt appear to work.


 

Redshift

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Like I said previously, this is shown more and more as Hostile Corporate Take Over strategy. It is not folow Geopolitics logic and even US Domestics Politics are not influence much. Unlike previous US presidents moves, if we want to get Sense on what he's doing, then look to his business practices more. At least that's what increasing number of Financial Market analysts more and more sense it.
Just wait until Trump announced the formation of the New East India Team company as that is the strategy he seems to be following for an American Empire which will be the biggest and best empire ever.
 

Redshift

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Just wait until Trump announced the formation of the New East India Team company as that is the strategy he seems to be following for an American Empire which will be the biggest and best empire ever.
Apologies for the weird typos, I blame autocorrect "announces" and "East India Tea company"
 

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Apologies for the weird typos, I blame autocorrect "announces" and "East India Tea company"
West Indian company. And I really wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of version of that come to life in light of his association with certain companies. Instead of a direct US government role, something that combines ExxonMobil with Blackwater.
 

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West Indian company. And I really wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of version of that come to life in light of his association with certain companies. Instead of a direct US government role, something that combines ExxonMobil with Blackwater.
I was joking a day or two ago that Erik Prince was about to emerge as Governor General of Venezuela and Commodore of the Southern Caribbean Trading Company
 
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