Marine Nationale (French Navy)

Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Murse said:
Its a shame that they are only building 1. 2 is 1 and 1 in none as I read here recently
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Yes, imagine you urgently need your only aircraft carrier to evacuate your citizens abroad, or for other support missions, and it just entered heavy periodic maintenance.
 
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SolarisKenzo

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France can barely afford one, two is currently out of discussion.
They might share the second with another country (Italy?) but I honestly don't see it as a realistic option.
 
Murse

Murse

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SolarisKenzo said:
France can barely afford one, two is currently out of discussion.
They might share the second with another country (Italy?) but I honestly don't see it as a realistic option.
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I didn't know they were that cash poor. So it begs the question, why do it? National pride and job creation/maintenance i suspect, but what capabilities or platforms will they miss out on to pay for it?
 
Ananda

Ananda

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The only time French have 2 carrier fleet are the time of Cold War with Foch and Clemanceu. Since CDG, they only have one CVN, and not surprising that CDG will only be replace by another one CVN.

Let's compare between RN two carrier and Marine Nationale (MN) one carrier. RN shown that they relies on allies coop to have full operational CAG. Sometimes on escorts requirement and sometimes on the Air Wing (with US Marines F-35B). While MN relies mostly on their own assets.

Perhaps they can afford two carriers, but not two fully MN assets CAG (as like condition of RN that admitted they don't have assets to cover 2 CAG simultanously). Seems MN doctrine as French, is to have independencies of CAG more important. If they can only afford 1 CAG, why bother with 2nd carrier (as back up).
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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Ananda said:
The only time French have 2 carrier fleet are the time of Cold War with Foch and Clemanceu. Since CDG, they only have one CVN, and not surprising that CDG will only be replace by another one CVN.

Let's compare between RN two carrier and Marine Nationale (MN) one carrier. RN shown that they relies on allies coop to have full operational CAG. Sometimes on escorts requirement and sometimes on the Air Wing (with US Marines F-35B). While MN relies mostly on their own assets.

Perhaps they can afford two carriers, but not two fully MN assets CAG (as like condition of RN that admitted they don't have assets to cover 2 CAG simultanously). Seems MN doctrine as French, is to have independencies of CAG more important. If they can only afford 1 CAG, why bother with 2nd carrier (as back up).
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I guess 2 carriers would be useful albeit never deployed together as two sets of escorts couldn’t be manned even if the funding was available.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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The Aéronautique Navale operates a fleet of six Falcon 10MER aircraft, which are to be gradually withdrawn from service between 2026 and 2027. The aircraft will be replaced from the first half of 2026 by the lease of three Pilatur PC-24s, and from these three PC-24s, the first one is already rolled out.

Rollout of first French Navy PC-24

It is remarkable that the Marine Nationale chose for a foreign aircraft instead of the Falcon 2000 or another Dassault model, the PC-24s are probably much cheaper than the Falcons.
 
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kato

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Sandhi Yudha said:
It is remarkable that the Marine Nationale chose for a foreign aircraft instead of the Falcon 2000 or another Dassault model, the PC-24s are probably much cheaper than the Falcons.
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See this post last page. Dassault was not competing for this tender.

The Falcon 2000 is a considerably larger aircraft in the 20-ton MTOW weight class.
 
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