Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates

Xthenaki

Active Member
Hi Xthenaki.

Isn't Australia to build 8 new general purpose frigates at Henderson?
Could it be of advantageous in ordering our 4 new frigates from there too?
Hi Catalina
StevoJH posted above that filling Australias need for more frigates would keep NZ out of their building program for some time. Our first two replacement frigates (Min) will need to be sourced elsewhere. We will be in the expansion phrase for a long time so our ability to phase in new builds with adequate crew will require good planning. No one wants to see new builds laid up. So joining the continuous Naval replacement program that Australia has is now a no brainer for the future if and when we could join it.
 

Armchair

Well-Known Member
Hi Xthenaki.

Isn't Australia to build 8 new general purpose frigates at Henderson?
Could it be of advantageous in ordering our 4 new frigates from there too?
Australia has to build the yard and then its own 8 frigates so that would push that order into the 2050s. Too late for ANZAC replacement.
Edit. deleted matter already covered
 

Catalina

Active Member
Australia has to build the yard and then its own 8 frigates so that would push that order into the 2050s. Too late for ANZAC replacement.
Edit. deleted matter already covered
Thank you for the information on Henderson. Yes such a delay that the construction and sequencing you refer to is unacceptable.
 

Catalina

Active Member
When Ordering Our New Ferries...

...it makes sense to order dual purpose civilian-military ferries for the upcoming Pacific War with the Communist Chinese Regime.

Under the Chinese Communist Party 2016 National Defence Transportation Act, all ferries built in China must be built to military standard and are required to support Communist Chinese Defence requirements. The CCP understands and is preparing for the next Pacific War - as evidenced by its February 2025 rehearsed naval attack of Australia.

In both World War One and World War Two our government requested ferries for military operations. Our civilian ferry Monowai for example fought off the attacking Japanese submarine I-20 off Fiji on 16th January 1942. This civilian ferry fought off an attacking submarine because she had been equipped with self defence weapons. Likewise, designing our upcoming ferries to be Fitted For But Not With self defence weapons, such as a mount for a CIWS like HMS Aotearoa is a prudent and relatively inexpensive step when done during design and construction, and prepares them for their next 35 years of sailing up into 2060, when the South Pacific will certainly be even more of a Communist Chinese lake.

Given the Communist Chinese attacks on the sovereignty of New Zealand to the North, South, West, and East of New Zealand it makes national sense to order these ferries built to military standards for dual civilian/military use.
 

spoz

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Calling three ships merely steaming around the country a “rehearsed Naval attack of Australia” Is a bit of a long bow! “‘Demonstration of capability to deploy task units at long range from support” might be a little closer to what they actually achieved.
 

Xthenaki

Active Member
When Ordering Our New Ferries...

...it makes sense to order dual purpose civilian-military ferries for the upcoming Pacific War with the Communist Chinese Regime.

Under the Chinese Communist Party 2016 National Defence Transportation Act, all ferries built in China must be built to military standard and are required to support Communist Chinese Defence requirements. The CCP understands and is preparing for the next Pacific War - as evidenced by its February 2025 rehearsed naval attack of Australia.

In both World War One and World War Two our government requested ferries for military operations. Our civilian ferry Monowai for example fought off the attacking Japanese submarine I-20 off Fiji on 16th January 1942. This civilian ferry fought off an attacking submarine because she had been equipped with self defence weapons. Likewise, designing our upcoming ferries to be Fitted For But Not With self defence weapons, such as a mount for a CIWS like HMS Aotearoa is a prudent and relatively inexpensive step when done during design and construction, and prepares them for their next 35 years of sailing up into 2060, when the South Pacific will certainly be even more of a Communist Chinese lake.

Given the Communist Chinese attacks on the sovereignty of New Zealand to the North, South, West, and East of New Zealand it makes national sense to order these ferries built to military standards for dual civilian/military use.
 

kiwi in exile

Active Member

We should invest in the shared AI sonobouy processing capability mentioned in the article with Uk, US and Oz. Imagine us sending a p8 on a coalition sub hunting venture and we are out of the loop tactical picture: "scuze me bro, can you fax us those sub co-ordinates, my phones outta credit, churr"

This would be the advantages of AUKUS pillar 2
 
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