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downunderblue

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Musashi_kenshin said:
The media can rage all they like. Vance isn't interested in people's approval. It reminds me when former King Juan Carlos of Spain told Chavez to STFU at a diplomatic meeting.

If anything, I think part of the anger is the impotence of most of Europe. Europeans don't like to be reminded that their security is largely underwritten by the US. If it was a Chinese politician or someone from Africa saying this, people would have smirked. But the Americans lecturing Europe at a time they're threatening to pull out, that makes people defensive.

Europe really needs to put up or shut up when it comes to defence. Whining about how Vance, Trump and others are being mean makes the continent look powerless.
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If former King Juan Carlos of Spain did meet JD Vance, I'm sure he would be very quiet given his country only spends 1.28% of its GDP on defence, the lowest in NATO.

Mind you, the leaders of Belgium, Canada, Italia, Netherlands and even France would be oddly preoccupied too.

Go Poland, as JD is know to pronounce.
 
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SolarisKenzo

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downunderblue said:
If former King Juan Carlos of Spain did meet JD Vance, I'm sure he would be very quiet given his country only spends 1.28% of its GDP on defence, the lowest in NATO.

Mind you, the leaders of Belgium, Canada, Italia, Netherlands and even France would be oddly preoccupied too.

Go Poland, as JD is know to pronounce.
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Poland didnt take it really well either.

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John Fedup

John Fedup

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downunderblue said:
I assume Poland push comes to shove would prefer to be bolted onto the US than lumped with the insecurity of the EU.

It'd be easier managing Trump than getting certainty out of such a diversified and self distracted group as is the EU.
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Neither option is very attractive. Managing Trump easier, hardly. Even his own team have a hard time doing that.
 
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SolarisKenzo

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I can only hope, in these dark times, that young people have understood that the future of Europe lies neither in Washington nor in Moscow, but in Europe itself.
Current leaders are simply inedaquate, old jealous men still thinking in terms of "nations" and "cultures".
European fragmentation is its biggest weakness, and both USA and Russia are united in their objective of dividing Europe.

www.politico.eu

Trump’s America is Putin’s ally now

Europe and Ukraine are learning how little the U.S. cares, as the new president aligns himself with their greatest enemy.
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Ananda

Ananda

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Professor Sachs talk with one of young Euro Parliament member in his podcast.


I know many who pro Ukraine doesn't like Professor Sachs. However I have meet him before during Asian Financial Crisis, and he's taking on realism. Sometimes hearing reality is not on everyone menu.

On this case he is telling Euro should think on Euro want and not what US want. For that Euro has to have their own defense, procure what best for Euro and NATO is outdated concept for Euro as it's make them relying too much with US.
 
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SolarisKenzo

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Ananda said:
Professor Sachs talk with one of young Euro Parliament member in his podcast.


I know many who pro Ukraine doesn't like Professor Sachs. However I have meet him before during Asian Financial Crisis, and he's taking on realism. Sometimes hearing reality is not on everyone menu.

On this case he is telling Euro should think on Euro want and not what US want. For that Euro has to have their own defense, procure what best for Euro and NATO is outdated concept for Euro as it's make them relying too much with US.
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This "Fidias" guy is just not a credible source, I know him well.
I can't comment on him without breaching the rules, but if he is your source of info on Europe, I can only imagine how much nonsense you've been hearing.
Do yourself a favour and unsubscribe from this guy's channel.

He lives by promoting crypto scams, Musk's contents, populist propaganda and so on.
Doesnt even deserve a comment, really.

Last time I saw him at the european parliament a liberal mp tried to beat him...
I can't really talk much about Jeffrey Sachs, but this guy, for god's sake...
 
Big_Zucchini

Big_Zucchini

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Sachs and Fidias are similar in many ways.
The only noticeable difference is that one is a useful idiot, and the other is a certified useful idiot.
The handlers may be different. Sachs says he's affiliated with the CPP, while Fidias seems to be under Russia. But the messages are so similar nowadays it hardly matters.
 
Ananda

Ananda

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SolarisKenzo said:
can't comment on him without breaching the rules, but if he is your source of info on Europe, I can only imagine how much nonsense you've been hearing.
Do yourself a favour and unsubscribe from this guy's channel.
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I don't now him, I only watch his podcast for Professor Sachs, and Sachs is definitely not idiot, he is realistic and off course many will not like his realistic assessment. However I believe he has valid point on Euro to take on their security and defense. Without that, this situation with Trump will repeat again in future.
 
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swerve

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Big_Zucchini said:
Sachs and Fidias are similar in many ways.
The only noticeable difference is that one is a useful idiot, and the other is a certified useful idiot.
The handlers may be different. Sachs says he's affiliated with the CPP, while Fidias seems to be under Russia. But the messages are so similar nowadays it hardly matters.
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Sachs has been rather pro-Russian & anti-Ukrainian for the last few years.
 
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swerve

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downunderblue said:
I assume Poland push comes to shove would prefer to be bolted onto the US than lumped with the insecurity of the EU.
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Not really an option. Is Trump likely to help Poland, after abandoning Ukraine & pulling out of, or at least greatly reducing the US presence in, Europe? He doesn't see the USA as having any vital interests in Europe, as far as I can see.

Germany, Sweden, etc. most definitely do see themselves as having vital interests in Europe. After all, they're here. Do you think the Germans want Putin's army 90 km from Berlin?

The Poles aren't stupid. They know that in the last resort, Germany will defend itself, & that means defending Poland. I doubt they have the same confidence in Trump & his ilk. And there are German troops in Lithuania, with a new base being built for more.
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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swerve said:
Not really an option. Is Trump likely to help Poland, after abandoning Ukraine & pulling out of, or at least greatly reducing the US presence in, Europe? He doesn't see the USA as having any vital interests in Europe, as far as I can see.

Germany, Sweden, etc. most definitely do see themselves as having vital interests in Europe. After all, they're here. Do you think the Germans want Putin's army 90 km from Berlin?

The Poles aren't stupid. They know that in the last resort, Germany will defend itself, & that means defending Poland. I doubt they have the same confidence in Trump & his ilk. And there are German troops in Lithuania, with a new base being built for more.
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Absolutely, Trump has ended any illusion that America will back NATO allies. He will likely throw Asian allies under the bus if it suits his financial interests. Trump will likely enhance nuclear proliferation as a result.
 
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