New Italian aircraft carrier ready to take the sea!!
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Yes. Cavour's quite handsome, isn't she?
Big-E - Harriers for several years. IIRC, Garibaldi will go in for a long refit as soon as Cavour's worked up, & her Harriers will all transfer.
contedicavour
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Garibaldi already had her mid life update a couple of years ago, including latest SATNAV and accomodation improvements. The ship will remain operational alongside Cavour until about 2015.
The F35Bs are supposed to be embarked around 2014 with full operational status around 2016. We're planning to buy 22 but hopefully the Air Force will replace the AMX with F35B and not F35A, which would allow us to call on a higher number of F35Bs when fielding both carriers.
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contedicavour
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Bravo Max sei troppo forte
All that's still missing is the 2 76/62 SR-Strales, the rest is aboard.
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This is one of those navy ships that is just beautiful to look at. Systems wise she brings a lot to the table and is very versatile. Shes not only going to be fast but also able to defend herself from anything, "the VLS is a nice touch". I cant wait to see photos of the Cavour being escorted by the new air defense DDs the Italians have coming on-line soon.
abramsteve
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Hmmm not sure on her beauty, but she does look workman like. Be nice to see some underway pics. Then again Im not really a fan of any modern vessels in terms of their looks...
contedicavour
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The Cavour already left its moorings for some navigation... shame we don't have pictures yet. Though this is a fact : Cavour had until recently its stern pointing towards the coast, while in the new picture posted by Maxsona/MangustaCBT it is now pointing towards the sea.
Regarding Rich's wish, don't worry, the Doria is already moored next to the Cavour in Muggiano and it started sea trials in September, so it's only a matter of time before the 2 ships navigate together. The 2nd Horizon, Duilio, will join the pair in Muggiano in March 2007 already completed in almost all its superstructures. So you'll see Cavour with 2 new DDGs
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Mangusta CBT
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Radar
- Alenia Marconi Systems RAN-40L: three-dimensional (3D) long range naval air search and surveillance radar; derived from the RAT-31D/L series of land-based radar systems; D-band: solid-state Tx/Rx; 300+ km range.
- Alenia Marconi Systems SPY-790 EMPAR: multi-function rotating frequency-agile passive phased-array radar; G-band (C-band); 3D – three dimensional; 150+ km range; used for long and medium range volumetric air, low-altitude and surface search, surveillance, target detection, designation, tracking and fire-control with up-link transmission for guidance of Aster active radar surface-to-air missiles; multiple simultaneous target tracking and missile guidance capability (up to 30 missiles in the air); 300 target tracking capability; part of the Eurosam SAAM-IT air defence system; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW frigates.
- Alenia Marconi Systems SPS-791 RASS (RAN-30X/I): multi-mode medium/short-range surface, low-altitude and air search and surveillance radar; X-band; can be used for air and surface surveillance (100km range), navigation and helicopter control (40km range), over-the-horizon surface surveillance (180 km range) and anti-sea-skimmer missile detection and tracking (23km range); cosecant square and pencil beams; up to 250 tracks; can house IFF antenna; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW ships and as the main radar on the recent Cigala Fulgosi and Sirio class corvette/helicopter OPV, and Nave ETNA (AOR/LSV).
- Two Alenia Marconi Systems SIR-R/S: fully solid-state automatic interrogator (IFF); will be fitted on RAN-40L.
- GEM Elettronica SPN-753(v)4 navigation radar.
- GEM Elettronica SPN-41 navigation and aircraft control radar.
Other sensor
- Mine avoidance sonar (bow) supplied by Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS)
- Sagem VAMPIR-MB IRAS (Infra-Red Alerting System) for E/O air and surface surveillance
- Euroslat SLAT anti-torpedo towed array sensor
Communications
integrated internal and external communications system (including SHF/UHF satellite communications systems); SATCOM terminals for Italian SICRAL Military Communications Satellite system; tactical communications for command and control of landing/amphibious forces; 2x Link 11; one Link 16 (MIDS/JTIDS); provision for Link 22/NILE (NATO Improved Link Eleven)
CMS
Combat Management System:
Integrated data/weapons combat command and control system, with extensive C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computer and Intelligence) capabilities developed by CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems and Datamat); based on the IPN/S series; very similar to the other CMS installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW destroyers (as part of the Italian/French “Horizon” air-defense frigate program) and Bergamini class multipurpose frigates (FREMM program); modular open distributed architecture.
Operational Combat Center:
The COC (Centrale Operativa di Combattimento - Operational Combat Center) will have a superficy of more than 1'100 m2 (latest info: 1’250 m2), including at least 600 m2 for the management of naval and amphibious operations, at least 300 m2 for the air operations and a minimum of 200 m2 for the Communications and EW systems; around 25 main multifunction consoles and workstations.
Flag/Command Functions:
There will be space and accommodations for a flag/command staff of between 145 and 230 people, with a comprehensive integrated communications system, tactical intelligence and operational information management systems, and command and decision aid support systems, enabling the ship to function as a flagship for a Naval Task Force (COMITMARFOR), an Italian or multinational Joint Task Force HQ, or an MCC (Maritime Component Command); around 150 multifunction consoles and workstations
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The ability to provide extensive C4I capabilities (Command, Control, Communications, Computer, Intelligence) for the management of maritime and joint forces is one of the primary requirements of Nave CAVOUR. The development, production, installation, integration and testing of the ship’s Combat Management System (CMS) have been the object, among other systems and equipments, of the 2nd and 3rd NUM contracts. CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems – Naval Systems Division and DATAMAT S.p.A.) is responsible for that part of the contract.
The CMS installed on Nave CAVOUR is a significantly expanded variant (particularly to include flag/staff, air and amphibious operations command and control capabilities) of the CMS that has been developed by Italian and French engineers for their future AAW frigates (Andrea Doria class / HORIZON program), itself largely based on the SENIT-8 system already fitted to the French 40’000-tonne nuclear-powered aircraft carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE.
As part of its requirements, the CMS must be able to provide an accurate picture of the tactical situation over a radius of 350 km around the aircraft carrier, by collecting and processing data provided by the ship’s own sensors as well as by the other naval, joint and allied assets (ships, aircrafts, satellites, troops, higher-command structures).
The main COC/CIC (Combat Information Centre) is located in a protected area, in the central part of the ship/hull, under the flight-deck and island. It’s worth noting that the CIC on both Nave GARIBALDI and the French CVN CHARLES DE GAULLE has been installed in the island. Why this change? There were at least three main reasons. The first was to have the CIC located in a position that would be as safe and protected as possible. The second reason has to do with finding a sufficient space given the planned dimensions of the area occupied by the CIC, expected to reach at least twice the size of the CIC installed on Nave GARIBALDI. Even if the necessary space could have been found for the CIC in the island, that would have required a significantly larger superstructure, and consequently less available space for aircrafts on the flight deck. And that constitutes the third reason why the CIC isn’t located in the island, that is to make the superstructure as small as possible in order to maximise the dimensions of the deck area available for aircrafts. The gained space in the island benefits the facilities dedicated to the main/command bridge (third deckhouse) and aircraft flight control bride (fourth deckhouse).
The CIC will occupy an overall area of 1’100 m2 for the management of all types of maritime and joint operations, including:
- Naval and Amphibious operations: 600 m2
- Air operations: 300 m2
- Communications and EW operations: 200 m2
As far as the “hardware” of the CMS and the CIC are concerned, also available to an embarked Command Staff, it would include the following elements:
- A total of around 150 multi-function consoles and workstations
- 15 large displays presenting the tactical situation
- 25 multi-function consoles for the management of the ship’s combat system
- 90 workstations with JMCIS (Joint Maritime Command Information System)
- 20 ruggedised consoles with JMCIS
The JMCIS is in particular designed to work with the similar C3 systems in service with the Italian Air Force (AMI) and the Italian Army (EI), in order to fully support the command of a joint operation. Three Italian warships are currently fitted with a significant number of JMCIS workstations: the aircraft carrier GIUSEPPE GARIBALDI, the amphibious assault ship SAN GIUSTO, and the fleet logistic support ship ETNA.
- Alenia Marconi Systems RAN-40L: three-dimensional (3D) long range naval air search and surveillance radar; derived from the RAT-31D/L series of land-based radar systems; D-band: solid-state Tx/Rx; 300+ km range.
- Alenia Marconi Systems SPY-790 EMPAR: multi-function rotating frequency-agile passive phased-array radar; G-band (C-band); 3D – three dimensional; 150+ km range; used for long and medium range volumetric air, low-altitude and surface search, surveillance, target detection, designation, tracking and fire-control with up-link transmission for guidance of Aster active radar surface-to-air missiles; multiple simultaneous target tracking and missile guidance capability (up to 30 missiles in the air); 300 target tracking capability; part of the Eurosam SAAM-IT air defence system; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW frigates.
- Alenia Marconi Systems SPS-791 RASS (RAN-30X/I): multi-mode medium/short-range surface, low-altitude and air search and surveillance radar; X-band; can be used for air and surface surveillance (100km range), navigation and helicopter control (40km range), over-the-horizon surface surveillance (180 km range) and anti-sea-skimmer missile detection and tracking (23km range); cosecant square and pencil beams; up to 250 tracks; can house IFF antenna; also installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW ships and as the main radar on the recent Cigala Fulgosi and Sirio class corvette/helicopter OPV, and Nave ETNA (AOR/LSV).
- Two Alenia Marconi Systems SIR-R/S: fully solid-state automatic interrogator (IFF); will be fitted on RAN-40L.
- GEM Elettronica SPN-753(v)4 navigation radar.
- GEM Elettronica SPN-41 navigation and aircraft control radar.
Other sensor
- Mine avoidance sonar (bow) supplied by Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei (WASS)
- Sagem VAMPIR-MB IRAS (Infra-Red Alerting System) for E/O air and surface surveillance
- Euroslat SLAT anti-torpedo towed array sensor
Communications
integrated internal and external communications system (including SHF/UHF satellite communications systems); SATCOM terminals for Italian SICRAL Military Communications Satellite system; tactical communications for command and control of landing/amphibious forces; 2x Link 11; one Link 16 (MIDS/JTIDS); provision for Link 22/NILE (NATO Improved Link Eleven)
CMS
Combat Management System:
Integrated data/weapons combat command and control system, with extensive C4I (Command, Control, Communications, Computer and Intelligence) capabilities developed by CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems and Datamat); based on the IPN/S series; very similar to the other CMS installed on the future Andrea Doria class AAW destroyers (as part of the Italian/French “Horizon” air-defense frigate program) and Bergamini class multipurpose frigates (FREMM program); modular open distributed architecture.
Operational Combat Center:
The COC (Centrale Operativa di Combattimento - Operational Combat Center) will have a superficy of more than 1'100 m2 (latest info: 1’250 m2), including at least 600 m2 for the management of naval and amphibious operations, at least 300 m2 for the air operations and a minimum of 200 m2 for the Communications and EW systems; around 25 main multifunction consoles and workstations.
Flag/Command Functions:
There will be space and accommodations for a flag/command staff of between 145 and 230 people, with a comprehensive integrated communications system, tactical intelligence and operational information management systems, and command and decision aid support systems, enabling the ship to function as a flagship for a Naval Task Force (COMITMARFOR), an Italian or multinational Joint Task Force HQ, or an MCC (Maritime Component Command); around 150 multifunction consoles and workstations
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The ability to provide extensive C4I capabilities (Command, Control, Communications, Computer, Intelligence) for the management of maritime and joint forces is one of the primary requirements of Nave CAVOUR. The development, production, installation, integration and testing of the ship’s Combat Management System (CMS) have been the object, among other systems and equipments, of the 2nd and 3rd NUM contracts. CMS Italia (Alenia Marconi Systems – Naval Systems Division and DATAMAT S.p.A.) is responsible for that part of the contract.
The CMS installed on Nave CAVOUR is a significantly expanded variant (particularly to include flag/staff, air and amphibious operations command and control capabilities) of the CMS that has been developed by Italian and French engineers for their future AAW frigates (Andrea Doria class / HORIZON program), itself largely based on the SENIT-8 system already fitted to the French 40’000-tonne nuclear-powered aircraft carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE.
As part of its requirements, the CMS must be able to provide an accurate picture of the tactical situation over a radius of 350 km around the aircraft carrier, by collecting and processing data provided by the ship’s own sensors as well as by the other naval, joint and allied assets (ships, aircrafts, satellites, troops, higher-command structures).
The main COC/CIC (Combat Information Centre) is located in a protected area, in the central part of the ship/hull, under the flight-deck and island. It’s worth noting that the CIC on both Nave GARIBALDI and the French CVN CHARLES DE GAULLE has been installed in the island. Why this change? There were at least three main reasons. The first was to have the CIC located in a position that would be as safe and protected as possible. The second reason has to do with finding a sufficient space given the planned dimensions of the area occupied by the CIC, expected to reach at least twice the size of the CIC installed on Nave GARIBALDI. Even if the necessary space could have been found for the CIC in the island, that would have required a significantly larger superstructure, and consequently less available space for aircrafts on the flight deck. And that constitutes the third reason why the CIC isn’t located in the island, that is to make the superstructure as small as possible in order to maximise the dimensions of the deck area available for aircrafts. The gained space in the island benefits the facilities dedicated to the main/command bridge (third deckhouse) and aircraft flight control bride (fourth deckhouse).
The CIC will occupy an overall area of 1’100 m2 for the management of all types of maritime and joint operations, including:
- Naval and Amphibious operations: 600 m2
- Air operations: 300 m2
- Communications and EW operations: 200 m2
As far as the “hardware” of the CMS and the CIC are concerned, also available to an embarked Command Staff, it would include the following elements:
- A total of around 150 multi-function consoles and workstations
- 15 large displays presenting the tactical situation
- 25 multi-function consoles for the management of the ship’s combat system
- 90 workstations with JMCIS (Joint Maritime Command Information System)
- 20 ruggedised consoles with JMCIS
The JMCIS is in particular designed to work with the similar C3 systems in service with the Italian Air Force (AMI) and the Italian Army (EI), in order to fully support the command of a joint operation. Three Italian warships are currently fitted with a significant number of JMCIS workstations: the aircraft carrier GIUSEPPE GARIBALDI, the amphibious assault ship SAN GIUSTO, and the fleet logistic support ship ETNA.
Grand Danois
Entertainer
I've gotten used to the box-like designs and actually find some of them looking very good, like Type 45 and FREMM.Hmmm not sure on her beauty, but she does look workman like. Be nice to see some underway pics. Then again Im not really a fan of any modern vessels in terms of their looks...
Cavour has very fine lines and an "effective" look to it. Like it.
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Thanks Mangusta,
Cavour seems very well equipped in terms of electronic.
It has the same equipment of the bigger and more expensive french carrier CharlesDeGaulle.
With Cavour on the fleet, many navies in the world will feel envy of Italian Navy.
In july 2007 the french aircraft carrier CdG will stops in the dock for maintenance (IPER) for a period of 18 months.
Cavour will be the most important european aircraft carrier and the flagship of european navies.
Well done Marina Militare.
Cavour seems very well equipped in terms of electronic.
It has the same equipment of the bigger and more expensive french carrier CharlesDeGaulle.
With Cavour on the fleet, many navies in the world will feel envy of Italian Navy.
In july 2007 the french aircraft carrier CdG will stops in the dock for maintenance (IPER) for a period of 18 months.
Cavour will be the most important european aircraft carrier and the flagship of european navies.
Well done Marina Militare.
What would be the surge capacity for aircraft, including helo's for sea control or amphibious operations?
I like this ship cause...well...I like carriers. I admire their power and capability. The Cavour has a nice mish-mash of systems and is well suited to the variety of roles she might be called on to play. Everything from humanitarian, cargo, evacuation, power projection, ASW, amphib, CNC, and yes Attack! In a Falklands type scenario I'd bet she would do well and she would be quite capable of defending herself as well. For that matter I will be watching the new British carriers closely too. I bet the Brits are watching the Cavour closely.
For that matter there are a number of countries either already owning, developing, or thinking about developing, carriers of this type. Lets face it, they bring a lot to the table. The Falklands proved it. I will add that any navy that launches such a ship, one we have defense treaties with, also indirectly enhances our own security as well.
So lets be happy for our Italian friends. They have a magnificent new carrier to be proud of as well as some new DDs and 212's coming soon to help protect her. They have a great naval and shipbuilding history going back to the days of sail and its still strong.
Congrats on a fine ship.
For that matter there are a number of countries either already owning, developing, or thinking about developing, carriers of this type. Lets face it, they bring a lot to the table. The Falklands proved it. I will add that any navy that launches such a ship, one we have defense treaties with, also indirectly enhances our own security as well.
So lets be happy for our Italian friends. They have a magnificent new carrier to be proud of as well as some new DDs and 212's coming soon to help protect her. They have a great naval and shipbuilding history going back to the days of sail and its still strong.
Congrats on a fine ship.
How about amphib capability... outside of the US who has an amphibous capabilty like Cavour?With Cavour on the fleet, many navies in the world will feel envy of Italian Navy.
The Brits, Thailand, Spain, South Korea, India, France , Brazil, Russia, Italy. All of various sizes and capability tho Im not sure about the Thais and South Koreans having VSTOL, check that, the Thais do and the Koreans dont.
I said amphib... their carriers don't have dry wells. None of thier ships single handedly can deliever Cavour's capability.