Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,indian navy is interested in rotary uavs,they have plans of developing an unmanned variant of chetak helicopter (alouette 3),howvere i think that they should develop the concepts shown in the following links.

here check out this links:

http://www.uavindia.com/

http://www.uavindia.com/gallery.htm

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,great news ,another fast attack craft has been inducted into the indian coast guard.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/12/05/stories/2006120501232100.htm


Indian Coast Guard Ship (ICGS) Savitribai Phule, an extra-fast patrol vessel, was inducted into the fleet of Coast Guard District Karnataka at New Mangalore on Monday.
ICGS Savitribai Phule is the fifth of its class of extra-fast patrol vessel built by Goa Shipyard Ltd.
The keel was laid on March 12, and was commissioned on October 28, at Vasco-da-Gama in Goa.
A Coast Guard release said here that the ship has been added to the Coast Guard fleet at Mangalore to meet any kind of security treat and challenges, off Karnataka coast. The ship is capable of carrying out anti-smuggling operation, search and rescue and all other charter of duties of the Coast Guard.
The high speed helps in responding to any requirement in shortest possible time.
ICGS Savitribai Phule — which is commanded by Commandant Donny Michael — is under the operational control of Coast Guard District Headquarters, Karnataka, commanded by Commandant M.V. Baadkar. The ship has five officers and 32 enrolled personnel. The ship is 50.44 mtrs in length and is capable of attaining a speed of 35 knots with endurance of 1,500 nautical miles at economical speed, the release added.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,check this out,it gives information regarding the entire programme of the indian navy for carrying out joint excercises in the foreign shores.

here check out this link and article:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Navy_set_for_war_games_on_foreign_land/articleshow/712201.cms

The Navy now wants to take the 'battle' to the American, Russian and French shores. No, the Navy is not invading these countries. Instead, it's going to conduct intensive combat manoeuvres with their navies in their own backyards.

"After exercising with them off Kochi, Mumbai and Goa over the last few years, we thought we should send our frontline warships near their shores in 2007," said Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta.

Six Indian warships, including Delhi-class and Rajput-class guided missile destroyers, will be deployed towards 'east' from March onwards. Apart from 'touching' Japan, South Korea and China, they will take part in the Indo-US 'Malabar' exercise off Guam in the western Pacific Ocean in April, said Admiral Mehta.

The same warships will undertake combat exercises, code-named 'Indra', with Russian warships off Vladivostok. Then, in August-September, another group will head for the Gulf region and beyond, rounding it off with Indo-French 'Varuna' war games off the Red Sea.

This unprecedented overseas deployment by Navy blends in perfectly with its philosophy of building 'interoperability' and 'bridges of friendship' with foreign navies. "It will help if we need to operate against a common enemy in the future," said a senior officer.

The Navy, which now increasingly acts as a diplomatic instrument to further the country's political and geo-strategic objectives, will also use the opportunity to project power much beyond Indian shores.

"Constructive engagement is the Navy's principle weapon during peacetime. The idea is to enhance security, stability and tranquility in the entire Indian Ocean Region through constructive engagement of regional and extra-regional maritime states," said a senior officer.

Take US, for instance. The naval combat exercises with the American Navy have undergone a quantum jump in recent times, especially after the 9/11 terrorist strikes in 2001. Indian warships, in fact, even provided "escort" to over 20 American and other coalition ships carrying "high value" cargo across the Strait of Malacca between April and September 2002 in an operation code-named "Sagittarius".

Since then, the bilateral military cooperation has been on an upward trajectory. In the Malabar series, the Indian, US navies regularly practice aggressive interdiction manoeuvres and VBSS (visit, board, search, seizure) operations towards counter-terrorism actions on the high seas.

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[aaaditya]

hey guys,great news,the construction of the scorpene class of submarines at the mazagaon docks limited is to be inaugurated on december 15.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1067816

Submarine construction is set to kick-start in Mumbai almost two decades after Mazagon Docks’ ambitious submarine building facility froze into inaction in the mid-80s amidst allegations of kickbacks in the HDW deal with Germany.
The formal inauguration of the Rs 18,000 crore contract for the French submarines is expected around December 15 at the Mazagon Docks, senior navy officers said. Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta on Saturday said “in 15 days or so” the construction of the first of the six Scorpene submarines would start in Mumbai.
The first two submarines would be built in the docks based on the initial designs and with full technological and equipment input from France. The steel for the submarine has already arrived from France, sources said.
The submarine would be the first of the six submarines in the over $3.5 billion contract signed last year. From the third submarine onwards the Navy would incorporate design changes and aggressively pursue integration of indigenous technology.
After six years of discussions, the deal was signed in October 6 last year. However, the deal ran into controversy when a section of the media raised allegations that the deal had middlemen who were also involved in the Naval War Room Leak. Though DNA had exposed the entire War Room leak, where naval officers and arms dealers were leaking national secrets, the paper never claimed any links between the submarine purchase and the War Room leak.
Sources here said the Mazagon Docks would be deploying about 150 officers and over 1000 works-men to carry out the mammoth construction. In the mid-80s, the docks developed a full-fledged facility for submarine construction as part of the contract with the German HDW.
However, the HDW contract was frozen after two of them were built in Mumbai because of allegations of corruption in the entire deal.
Ever since, the submarine line has been lying vacant at the Mazagon docks, except for occasional refit of existing submarine fleet.
However, with the steel cutting, now tentatively slated for December 15, Mumbai would be the nerve-centre of India’s aggressive efforts to acquire underwater capabilities.

 

[Dandolo]

Rumors say the next Italian 20000 tons LHD will be built together with India in order to reduce costs. Don't you know anything about it?

 

[contedicavour]

Rumors say the next Italian 20000 tons LHD will be built together with India in order to reduce costs. Don't you know anything about it?

Competition with the DCN will be strong... as they are proposing evolved versions of the Mistral (such as the one that is competing on the Australian tender for 2 new LHDs).

Speriamo bene

ciao

 

[kams]

In a recent print edition of India-Today, there was an article on procurement of P-17A Stealth Frigates (apparently modified Shivalik class). Interestingly, RFPs have been issued to European and Russian ship yards. A total of 7 frigates will be procured, first one being built in selected foreign ship yard, and the remaining six in India.

Cost $1 billion/Ship.

 

[aaaditya]

Rumors say the next Italian 20000 tons LHD will be built together with India in order to reduce costs. Don't you know anything about it?

intersting rumour ,the last i heard was that the indian shipbuilder garden reach shipbuilders and engineers limited were exploring a possibility of construction of the french dcn mistral class of lhd's and the navy was also very eager about them.

can you provide any further information and pics of the italian design?

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys here is a link and article on the news that kams posted ,a total of 7 stealth frigates are to be acquired and the request for informations have been sent to dcn,izar and russia and half a dozan other european companies,2 are to be built by the host nation with the rest in india.

i wonder what revolutionary designs can these companies offer:

dcn-fremm,russia-a more advanced version of krivack,and izar -f100,i wonder what has italy and germany to offer?

here check out this link and article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=7847

The proposed acquisition would be worth more than Rs 30,000 crore.

NEW DELHI: In a bid to shore up the country’s naval strength, the Indian Navy is exploring possible avenues of acquiring several stealth warships from European shipyards. And if everything goes well, it would be one of the biggest military contracts in recent times.

The Request for Information (RFI), the first formal step in the process of military acquisition, has been issued to about a dozen European and Russian shipyards. The proposed acquisition would be worth more than Rs 30,000 crore.

Confirming the issue, Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta, said it was prompted by the delay in acquisition of modern equipment that set in during the past two decades due to constraints on defence budgets and other factors, and the inability of Indian shipyards to deliver quickly.

However, “It is not necessary that we will take this route,” Mehta said. The other available option is for Indian shipyards to step up warship production to meet the projected force levels.

The RFI is for a set of seven stealth frigates, each costing about Rs 4,000 crores. According to a proposal, the first ship would be built in the foreign shipyard, while the rest six would be built at Mazagon Docks Limited in Mumbai or at Garden Reach Shipyard in Kolkata.

The project, called P-17A, is envisaged as the next generation ships of the ongoing Project 17 Shivalik class multi-role stealth frigates.

The first Shivalik class ship is expected in early 2007. Though the cabinet approved it in 1997, the Shivalik class construction was delayed by a few years owing to various factors. Project 17 envisages a total of 12 ships, and the seven ships for which the RFI has now been issued would form a part of the project.

The Indian Navy recently has been looking at both domestic construction and foreign acquisition of warships to make up for the shortcomings. India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier is under construction in the Kochi Shipyard, while another carrier is being readied in Russia.

After acquiring three Talwar class guided missile frigates from Russia, the Navy is awaiting three more ships of the same class, but with an advanced technology from Russia. These three ships are expected to join the Navy sometime in 2011. By middle of next year, the massive US landing platform dock Trenton would also join the naval services. A total of 30 warships in slated to join the Navy in a decade.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys ,great news ,the indian navy is to equip 3 of its warships under construction at mazagaon docks india limited (most probably p15a) with a 10g wide area network connection for data transfer purposes,this is a tremendous increase in the capability from the current indian warships ,which is just 1g.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.cxotoday.com/India/News/...astructure_for_Indian_Navy/551-77654-910.html

This would be a first of sorts for the Indian Navy.

Three ships to be delivered by Mazgaon Docks Limited (MDL) to the Indian Navy will have LAN connections with a 10g backbone.

A veteran in developing ships for the Indian defence, MDL had invited tenders for the project in 2005. The ships are being developed at the Mazgaon Docks.

CMC bagged the contract last Friday. The order is valued at Rs 7.4 crore.

Arvind Kumar, account manager at CMC said, "We will install LAN for three ships to be developed by MDL for the Indian Navy. We will do complete network integration for these three ships."

He added, "10g is a very special requirement. Installed in rare cases, the 10g backbone helps faster transmission and processing of data."

At present, most networks run on 1G platform and midrange servers from HP.

The OEMs for the project would be Dlink Foundry for switches and backbone, and passage components, HP for servers and Microsoft for software.

Kumar refused to divulge more details and said, "It is confidential since the ships are being developed for the Indian Navy."

The project involves two-tier network architecture with core and zonal switches. The zonal switches would be strategically implemented and connect to the core switch over 10G Ethernet over fiber. The delta connectivity created due to redundant link would also provide load sharing for entire traffic life.

Other bidders for the project were Wipro, HCL and Adlink (Singapore).

The project will be completed in three phases. Each ship will be taken up independently per phase.

 

[contedicavour]

intersting rumour ,the last i heard was that the indian shipbuilder garden reach shipbuilders and engineers limited were exploring a possibility of construction of the french dcn mistral class of lhd's and the navy was also very eager about them.

can you provide any further information and pics of the italian design?

Hello, details for the Fincantieri LHD are on the "Italian naval programmes udpate" thread I opened on Monday.

Here's a pic

cheers

 

[contedicavour]

In a recent print edition of India-Today, there was an article on procurement of P-17A Stealth Frigates (apparently modified Shivalik class). Interestingly, RFPs have been issued to European and Russian ship yards. A total of 7 frigates will be procured, first one being built in selected foreign ship yard, and the remaining six in India.

Cost $1 billion/Ship.

1bn USD per ship is very expensive. Even the Horizon DDGs cost 800 mln euro or 1050 mln usd at current exchange rates.
What sort of performance improvement is expected vs the Shivalik in AAW ?

cheers

 

[contedicavour]

hey guys here is a link and article on the news that kams posted ,a total of 7 stealth frigates are to be acquired and the request for informations have been sent to dcn,izar and russia and half a dozan other european companies,2 are to be built by the host nation with the rest in india.

i wonder what revolutionary designs can these companies offer:

dcn-fremm,russia-a more advanced version of krivack,and izar -f100,i wonder what has italy and germany to offer?

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What we have to offer ?
Well, FREMMs of course... the point is that the French DCN is trying to push its version for export.
The main differences between the Italian and French versions is the fact that our ships carry EMPAR phased array radar which can support Aster-30 (120-km range) SAMs while the French ships carry Herakles radar which is much less powerful and is compatible only with Aster-15 (30-km range) SAMs.
The 2nd difference is that the Italian FREMMs have a combat integration and command system which is capable of functioning even if parts of the ship are damaged and one or more weapons systems are knocked out. The French system is completely centralized so any hit on the ship shuts down all weapons systems and sensors of the ship.
The 3rd difference is that Italian FREMMs have a heavy emphasis on the guided ammunition Davide 76/62SR anti-missile system as a complement to the Aster SAMs, while the French rely more on traditional missile CIWS mistral.

Now up to your government : if they are looking for more sturdy AAW-capable ships for high threat environments, then select the Italian FREMMs. If they are looking for moderate-threat scenario FFGs with weaker AAW capabilities, then select the French FREMMs which cost 280 mln euro each instead of 340 mln euro each for the Italian ones.

cheers

 

[kams]

1bn USD per ship is very expensive. Even the Horizon DDGs cost 800 mln euro or 1050 mln usd at current exchange rates.
What sort of performance improvement is expected vs the Shivalik in AAW ?

cheers

Total project cost is Rs 30,000 crore (5.05 Billion Euro) for 7 ships. I was mistaken about RFP, its RFI. I have no idea about the requirement. For that knid of money you can really buy a big bang .

 

[contedicavour]

Total project cost is Rs 30,000 crore (5.05 Billion Euro) for 7 ships. I was mistaken about RFP, its RFI. I have no idea about the requirement. For that knid of money you can really buy a big bang .

You certainly can if you don't waste too much on R&D and fixed costs I do believe requesting help to a big European shipyard will help reduce these costs though

cheers

 

[kams]

You certainly can if you don't waste too much on R&D and fixed costs I do believe requesting help to a big European shipyard will help reduce these costs though

cheers

The high project cost may be due to TOT. I believe all future IN ships will have Barak II as standard AAW which may mean Israeli Radar. For offensive role, Brahmos and/or Klub or any other future Indian Cruise missile (Land attack) may be used. I really doubt, IN will go for Aster 30.

 

[aaaditya]

Hello, details for the Fincantieri LHD are on the "Italian naval programmes udpate" thread I opened on Monday.

Here's a pic

cheers

thanks for the information and the image.

 

[aaaditya]

What we have to offer ?
Well, FREMMs of course... the point is that the French DCN is trying to push its version for export.
The main differences between the Italian and French versions is the fact that our ships carry EMPAR phased array radar which can support Aster-30 (120-km range) SAMs while the French ships carry Herakles radar which is much less powerful and is compatible only with Aster-15 (30-km range) SAMs.
The 2nd difference is that the Italian FREMMs have a combat integration and command system which is capable of functioning even if parts of the ship are damaged and one or more weapons systems are knocked out. The French system is completely centralized so any hit on the ship shuts down all weapons systems and sensors of the ship.
The 3rd difference is that Italian FREMMs have a heavy emphasis on the guided ammunition Davide 76/62SR anti-missile system as a complement to the Aster SAMs, while the French rely more on traditional missile CIWS mistral.

Now up to your government : if they are looking for more sturdy AAW-capable ships for high threat environments, then select the Italian FREMMs. If they are looking for moderate-threat scenario FFGs with weaker AAW capabilities, then select the French FREMMs which cost 280 mln euro each instead of 340 mln euro each for the Italian ones.

cheers

but i thought centralisation meant greater automation,and greater automation would be quite good in it's own right.also i believe that india's requirement is for a vessel of a minimum displacement of 4600 tons.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys,a sad news,the inshore minesweeper ins malpe has been decomissioned after 22 years of service,unless the proposed induction of mine counter measures programme is quickly carried out,these decomissionings will severely effect the capability of the indian navy.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=7851


KOCHI: The Indian Naval Ship Malpe was decommissioned at the Naval Base, Kochi, on Monday evening.
The 100-tonne ship was primarily used for inshore mine sweeping, harbour defence and coastal patrolling. Vice Admiral Jagjit Singh Bedi, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Southern Naval Command, was among those present at the decommissioning ceremony. He inspected a 50-man guard of honour. Cdr. Varun Singh, the last commanding officer of INS Malpe, delivered the pre-decommissioning speech. With sunset, the Colour Guard presented arms while the National Flag and the Naval Ensign were hauled down. The Ensign was handed over to the commanding officer. With the sounding of the `Last Post', the paying off pennant was also hauled down, bringing an end to INS Malpe's 22 years of service in the Navy. Many officers and sailors who had served in the ship were present at the ceremony to bid farewell to the vessel. Vice Admiral K.K. Nayyar, the then Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Southern Naval Command, commissioned the ship on May 10, 1984, in Kochi.

 

[contedicavour]

but i thought centralisation meant greater automation,and greater automation would be quite good in it's own right.also i believe that india's requirement is for a vessel of a minimum displacement of 4600 tons.

Actually both systems are centralized, but the French version can only be handled centrally, so no double commands for specific weapons systems and sensors, hence, in case of a hit on the ship, total collapse of the defence systems...
The "federal" version has central command and control, but also double commands for all weapons systems and sensors, so that they can go on functioning in case of a hit on the ship.
The FREMM are 6,000+ tonners, so they would fit with your > 4600t requirement.

cheers