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Pilot whales stranded on Tasmania - again!
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Let me put it this way:
Some years ago a school of sperm whales stranded on the west coast of Jutland. Now You know as much as I do - for a fact that is. The deepest of the North Sea is less than 200 m - no sperm whale - not even a demented one would stroll in there.
There has been occational stranding of whales; but the places they strand and the regularity with which they do it.
Partially right answer: Antarctica.
As to the Han class - naaah I think sensible whales are quite adept at avoiding motormouth relatives. Good try, I think it is something they can't avoid, because it is meant to be unavoidable.
As an aside question: It is generally acknowledged that occationally submarines have bumped into one another during the cold war; but I've never heard of either a whale or a sub pressing assault charges. But that may just be my ignorance.
Some years ago a school of sperm whales stranded on the west coast of Jutland. Now You know as much as I do - for a fact that is. The deepest of the North Sea is less than 200 m - no sperm whale - not even a demented one would stroll in there.
There has been occational stranding of whales; but the places they strand and the regularity with which they do it.
Partially right answer: Antarctica.
As to the Han class - naaah I think sensible whales are quite adept at avoiding motormouth relatives. Good try, I think it is something they can't avoid, because it is meant to be unavoidable.
As an aside question: It is generally acknowledged that occationally submarines have bumped into one another during the cold war; but I've never heard of either a whale or a sub pressing assault charges. But that may just be my ignorance.
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wheres mcmurdo station in comparison to tasmania the US could be conducting some kind of tests down there
That was the most racist anti Chinese remark ive heard in here so far? Shameful! Where are the mods?I'm thinking PLAN anually runs a Han through the Antartic and it's accoustics are so loud it drives them to insanity.:
Mod edit: We obviously keep an eye on these sorts of issues. I can't see anything racist about this remark. It is generally considered that Chinese HAN submarines ARE noisy. An eye will be kept on future comments along these lines however. AD.
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THS, wat outrageous accusations, besides the fact i can't read the site as its not in english, how do u not know that the whales might want to go to Tasmania, hell someone has too, god knows everyone else hates too...nfloorl:
This could just be that Tasmania is finally getting some form of tourism for its beaches, now they can show off the rest of the Island....nfloorl:
nfloorl: This could just be that Tasmania is finally getting some form of tourism for its beaches, now they can show off the rest of the Island....
nfloorl: International Waters...
Navy to study possible link between beached whales and sonar
Seven whales that beached themselves in the Bahamas might have been affected by powerful sonar from Navy ships
Web posted at: 3:25 PM EDT (1925 GMT)
(CNN) -- Important clues have surfaced that may help prove a suspected link between beached whales and powerful sonar equipment used by the U.S. Navy and other nations around the world.
Scientists discovered the clues earlier this year in March, when seven whales were found dead on a Bahamas beach, near the time and location of a U.S. Navy sonar operation.
"We did have an operational exercise going on using ships with operational sonars," said Robert Pirie, assistant secretary, U.S. Navy. "...and that was closely correlated with the ... strandings and that's the source of our concern."
"The whale beachings came about the same day as a naval operation," said Roger Gentry of the National Marine Fisheries Service.
The seven dead whales were found to have inner ear damage, which scientists said might have ruined their sense of direction and ability to navigate.
Whales with inner ear damage can become disoriented and mistakenly swim too close to shore, beaching themselves and eventually dying.
Because multiple inner ear damage among beached whales is very rare, officials said creatures might have been injured by the Navy's powerful sonar technology.
"The kind of acoustic event that would cause the trauma we saw would be fairly intense," Gentry said.
Although scientists have long suspected that whale beachings were linked to Navy activities, the March beaching has provided some of the strongest evidence to date reinforcing that suspicion.
In previous beachings where sonar was the suspected cause, no whale carcasses were recovered for study.
"What's different about the present beaching is that we do have good biological material," Gentry said.
Researchers studying the beached whale carcasses discovered inner ear damage, possibly caused by sonar
The Navy has not accepted responsibility for the Bahamas beaching, but it has agreed to release technical data about the underwater region during the sonar operation.
The National Marine Fisheries Service and the U.S. Navy plan to release a final report on the whale beaching by summer, 2001.
The report may provide more insight into how marine mammals use underwater sounds and possibly may prevent deadly whale beachings in the future.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/07/28/beached.whales/
Seven whales that beached themselves in the Bahamas might have been affected by powerful sonar from Navy ships
Web posted at: 3:25 PM EDT (1925 GMT)
(CNN) -- Important clues have surfaced that may help prove a suspected link between beached whales and powerful sonar equipment used by the U.S. Navy and other nations around the world.
Scientists discovered the clues earlier this year in March, when seven whales were found dead on a Bahamas beach, near the time and location of a U.S. Navy sonar operation.
"We did have an operational exercise going on using ships with operational sonars," said Robert Pirie, assistant secretary, U.S. Navy. "...and that was closely correlated with the ... strandings and that's the source of our concern."
"The whale beachings came about the same day as a naval operation," said Roger Gentry of the National Marine Fisheries Service.
The seven dead whales were found to have inner ear damage, which scientists said might have ruined their sense of direction and ability to navigate.
Whales with inner ear damage can become disoriented and mistakenly swim too close to shore, beaching themselves and eventually dying.
Because multiple inner ear damage among beached whales is very rare, officials said creatures might have been injured by the Navy's powerful sonar technology.
"The kind of acoustic event that would cause the trauma we saw would be fairly intense," Gentry said.
Although scientists have long suspected that whale beachings were linked to Navy activities, the March beaching has provided some of the strongest evidence to date reinforcing that suspicion.
In previous beachings where sonar was the suspected cause, no whale carcasses were recovered for study.
"What's different about the present beaching is that we do have good biological material," Gentry said.
Researchers studying the beached whale carcasses discovered inner ear damage, possibly caused by sonar
The Navy has not accepted responsibility for the Bahamas beaching, but it has agreed to release technical data about the underwater region during the sonar operation.
The National Marine Fisheries Service and the U.S. Navy plan to release a final report on the whale beaching by summer, 2001.
The report may provide more insight into how marine mammals use underwater sounds and possibly may prevent deadly whale beachings in the future.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/07/28/beached.whales/
Another interesting site i found regarding the frequent beached Whales sightings all over the world.
http://www.earthportals.com/beachedwhales.html
PATTERN OF STRANDINGS THAT MAY LINK TO LFAS ACTIVITY:
EUROPE - In February, 2000, 100s of dolphins began washing up on European shores.
THE ATLANTIC COASTLINE - On January 21, 2000, Katie Couric asked on "The Today Show" why hundreds of dolphins are beaching along the Atlantic coastline. Although brain and other tissue lesions have been found in these cetaceans, one of the symptoms predicted by the Marine Mammal Commission in 1997 for LFAS exposure, ears are not being checked. In view of the far-reaching effect of sonar exposure predicted by independent researchers, some suspect apparent NATO sonar in the general area may be the cause.
FLORIDA - On January 3, 2000, Associated Press reported that scientists were trying to determine why dolphins have been washing up dead on northwest Florida shores over the last month. Although a previously severe outbreak of red tide did not kill dolphins, it appears that only red tide and other toxins are being examined as a possible cause, rather than also include an examination of their ear canals to prove or disprove the important variable of possible sonar exposure.
THE VIRGIN ISLANDS - In early October, 1999, scientists in the water heard sonar sounds, followed by multiple cetacean strandings in the area. Government-funded ear canal testing expert Dr. Darlene Ketten from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, was summoned by many groups to run ear canal tests, but results have not yet been revealed. If they are, citizens must determine if anyone other than government-funded scientists were present in order to neutralize any conflicts of interest.
THE CANARY ISLANDS - A total of 21 whale strandings in 1985, 1988, and 1989 were linked to visible US Navy maneuvers. These were the only times that whales were reported to strand in the Canary Islands. (Nature, 1991) Award-winning French biologist Dr. Michael Andre, free from our government's influence, learned from necropsies while studying the decline in sperm whales in this area that two of the whales (who were involved in the increasing whale collisions with boats in the area) were deaf as suspected.
THE ATLANTIC COAST - In 1987, dolphins exposed to 235 decibels of sonar stranded and were found to suffer from tissue and lung explosion. (This information was allegedly found by Dr. Joe Geraci and buried in reports on file.) Since this revelation, there has been a great deal of resistance to obtaining autopsies that check for these types of problems, also predicted by the Marine Mammal Commission in 1997 (possibly based on Dr. Geraci's findings) to be a consequence of LFAS.
THE HARO STRAIT, SAN JUAN ISLANDS - In the Summer of 1996, 195 decibels were sent into this key waterway used by orcas, porpoises, seals, and other mammals, followed by an increase in strandings of these mammals. ABC News recently reported that the previously thriving orca population from this area is now in enough trouble to be considered eligible for the Endangered Species list.
THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA NEAR GREECE - In 1996, twelve Cuvier's beaked whales documented to be exposed to NATO sonar at 150-160 decibels were found stranded. At the same time about 200 stranded dolphins were suspected of suffering from tissue explosion. (Nature, 1996) LFAS levels to be used by the U.S. are reported to be 180 decibels in areas near shore and could go considerably higher, once deployment is underway and this program is classified.
THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS - In 1998, three whale calves and one dolphin calf were found dead or abandoned during and immediately following sonar testing, even though in 15 years of research this phenomenon had never been observed. One of these was a distressed whale calf who breached 230 times and pectoral slapped 658 times in front of Dr. Marsha Green's research team in a four-hour period before the sun set on his distress. In addition, a pod of dolphins was observed by naturalists familiar with normal dolphin behavior huddling unusually close to the shore near the surface and vocalizing excessively while the sound was on.
CALIFORNIA- Since the open testing in California began in 1997, sonar exposed whales immediately began to strand in increased numbers. In addition, there was a report of uncharacteristically aggressive behavior which is known to be a symptom of LFAS exposure. More recently, The Malibu Times reported in January, 1999, that more than 150 gray whales were found dead due to starvation along their migratory route where testing took place in 1998. Starvation can be a result of deafness, but ears were not checked in these cetaceans, even though the cause of death has remained a mystery.
AUSTRALIA - Rumor has it that the Australian government has questioned a connection between observed US Navy and NATO maneuvering and strandings off their shores.
UNKNOWN - In view of indications that brain and body tissue explodes and body cavities (bladders, lungs, and ear canals) rupture when exposed to sonar blasts, it is plausible to assume that most affected marine mammals will sink to the ocean floor, rather than make their way to a beach in order for us to view their plight. And who knows what the effect this risky technology has on the thousands of other, smaller forms of marine life, less able to withstand such a powerful force.
http://www.earthportals.com/beachedwhales.html
PATTERN OF STRANDINGS THAT MAY LINK TO LFAS ACTIVITY:
EUROPE - In February, 2000, 100s of dolphins began washing up on European shores.
THE ATLANTIC COASTLINE - On January 21, 2000, Katie Couric asked on "The Today Show" why hundreds of dolphins are beaching along the Atlantic coastline. Although brain and other tissue lesions have been found in these cetaceans, one of the symptoms predicted by the Marine Mammal Commission in 1997 for LFAS exposure, ears are not being checked. In view of the far-reaching effect of sonar exposure predicted by independent researchers, some suspect apparent NATO sonar in the general area may be the cause.
FLORIDA - On January 3, 2000, Associated Press reported that scientists were trying to determine why dolphins have been washing up dead on northwest Florida shores over the last month. Although a previously severe outbreak of red tide did not kill dolphins, it appears that only red tide and other toxins are being examined as a possible cause, rather than also include an examination of their ear canals to prove or disprove the important variable of possible sonar exposure.
THE VIRGIN ISLANDS - In early October, 1999, scientists in the water heard sonar sounds, followed by multiple cetacean strandings in the area. Government-funded ear canal testing expert Dr. Darlene Ketten from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, was summoned by many groups to run ear canal tests, but results have not yet been revealed. If they are, citizens must determine if anyone other than government-funded scientists were present in order to neutralize any conflicts of interest.
THE CANARY ISLANDS - A total of 21 whale strandings in 1985, 1988, and 1989 were linked to visible US Navy maneuvers. These were the only times that whales were reported to strand in the Canary Islands. (Nature, 1991) Award-winning French biologist Dr. Michael Andre, free from our government's influence, learned from necropsies while studying the decline in sperm whales in this area that two of the whales (who were involved in the increasing whale collisions with boats in the area) were deaf as suspected.
THE ATLANTIC COAST - In 1987, dolphins exposed to 235 decibels of sonar stranded and were found to suffer from tissue and lung explosion. (This information was allegedly found by Dr. Joe Geraci and buried in reports on file.) Since this revelation, there has been a great deal of resistance to obtaining autopsies that check for these types of problems, also predicted by the Marine Mammal Commission in 1997 (possibly based on Dr. Geraci's findings) to be a consequence of LFAS.
THE HARO STRAIT, SAN JUAN ISLANDS - In the Summer of 1996, 195 decibels were sent into this key waterway used by orcas, porpoises, seals, and other mammals, followed by an increase in strandings of these mammals. ABC News recently reported that the previously thriving orca population from this area is now in enough trouble to be considered eligible for the Endangered Species list.
THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA NEAR GREECE - In 1996, twelve Cuvier's beaked whales documented to be exposed to NATO sonar at 150-160 decibels were found stranded. At the same time about 200 stranded dolphins were suspected of suffering from tissue explosion. (Nature, 1996) LFAS levels to be used by the U.S. are reported to be 180 decibels in areas near shore and could go considerably higher, once deployment is underway and this program is classified.
THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS - In 1998, three whale calves and one dolphin calf were found dead or abandoned during and immediately following sonar testing, even though in 15 years of research this phenomenon had never been observed. One of these was a distressed whale calf who breached 230 times and pectoral slapped 658 times in front of Dr. Marsha Green's research team in a four-hour period before the sun set on his distress. In addition, a pod of dolphins was observed by naturalists familiar with normal dolphin behavior huddling unusually close to the shore near the surface and vocalizing excessively while the sound was on.
CALIFORNIA- Since the open testing in California began in 1997, sonar exposed whales immediately began to strand in increased numbers. In addition, there was a report of uncharacteristically aggressive behavior which is known to be a symptom of LFAS exposure. More recently, The Malibu Times reported in January, 1999, that more than 150 gray whales were found dead due to starvation along their migratory route where testing took place in 1998. Starvation can be a result of deafness, but ears were not checked in these cetaceans, even though the cause of death has remained a mystery.
AUSTRALIA - Rumor has it that the Australian government has questioned a connection between observed US Navy and NATO maneuvering and strandings off their shores.
UNKNOWN - In view of indications that brain and body tissue explodes and body cavities (bladders, lungs, and ear canals) rupture when exposed to sonar blasts, it is plausible to assume that most affected marine mammals will sink to the ocean floor, rather than make their way to a beach in order for us to view their plight. And who knows what the effect this risky technology has on the thousands of other, smaller forms of marine life, less able to withstand such a powerful force.
NATO? little far from home don't you think.
I never get these Greeny agends, not that i'm saying your a greeny, but everytime a whale beaches the first words out of their mouths are Sonar. In some cases it has been proven there is a link in USN activity(lets face it, they cop it the most) , but in others its just BS. You need to ask, what is more important, a few fish or a few lives, i know it doomsdayic but it has to weighed up in consequences. The Sub threat at present is not as big as it was 20 years ago, but it still remains.
I'm trying to find info i've heard concerning the USN ways to counter the problems of Whaling, even going as far as new technology, but i doubt the money invested would be much, and the rush to implement a successful program, due to costs.
Yeah i was watching something on CNN about it. The USN is doing a lot of research on Sonar technology that works but doesnt go on killing all the Sea Mammals in the Pacific Ocean.They are getting a lot of crap from various Animal rights groups , WWF and a lot more. Does Japan still permit wanton Whaling in its waters? i know they banned it a while back but it was reported that they resumed Whale hunting recently.