Change in Reins of Power: New Leadership Member Details Acquisition Aspirations

RubiconNZ

The Wanderer
New Committee Chair Wants More Ships, Nuclear Power

By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS, Pascagoula, Miss.


The prospective incoming chairman of an influential U.S. congressional military subcommittee has no difficulty summing up his priorities.
“Shipbuilding, shipbuilding. Getting the numbers of the fleet up,” said Gene Taylor, the Democratic representative who counts among his constituents Northrop Grumman’s sprawling Ingalls shipyard here on the Gulf of Mexico. “Numbers do matter.”
Taylor, ranking member of the House Armed Services projection forces subcommittee, eagerly said Nov. 11 he would seek to chair the committee as Democrats prepare to take over the House and Senate from Republican control.
The Democratic congressional leadership could decide as early as Nov. 16 on committee chairmanships.
The projection forces subcommittee, whose recommendations on major Pentagon acquisition programs form the basis of each year’s House defense authorization bill, has been led by Maryland Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, who focused on major U.S. Navy projects such as the DD(X)/DDG 1000 destroyer, the Littoral Combat Ship and new submarine and aircraft carrier shipbuilding programs.
Taylor emphasized he too would focus on building up the Navy’s fleet. Asked if he supported the Navy’s planned seven-ship buy for DDG 1000, Taylor said “I think we can do better.”
“As the ships perform — they’re magnificently made, they perform magnificently — as the Navy sees these assets my hunch is they’re going to ask for more and I plan on being in position to help them get more,” he said.
Taylor also echoed another of Bartlett’s favorite themes: Taking another look at nuclear propulsion for Navy surface ships to lessen the country’s dependence on foreign sources of energy.
Although all new Navy aircraft carriers and submarines are nuclear-powered, the service decommissioned its fleet of nine nuclear cruiser carrier escorts in the mid-1990s as too expensive to maintain or build, and most surface ships built since then have been powered by gas turbines. But Taylor said he would hold hearings to re-examine the idea.
“The Achilles heel of the American military — and it’s nothing that our enemies don’t already know — is fuel,” he said.
“Adm. [Hyman] Rickover [a Navy champion for nuclear-powered ships from the 1940s to 1980s] had us well on our way in the early 1960s to a fleet that didn’t count on foreign countries for its fuel,” Taylor said. “And even back then the country produced more than half its fuel. Now that we produce way less than half of our fuel it just makes abundant sense that one of the ways we can cut our dependence on foreign oil is to build as many surface ships as we can — even some of the smaller ones — that have nuclear power.”
Taylor noted that the DDG 1000 is too far along to effect changes in its power source — construction of the first two ships will be ordered in 2007 — but he is looking squarely at the follow-on design planned by the Navy, the CG(X) cruiser variant of the DDG design. The service plans to order its first CG(X) in 2011.
“That’s still in the mix,” Taylor said of the CG(X).
“So one of my challenges — and I feel pretty confident that I’ll have the assistance of Congressman Bartlett on the Republican side — is to see that that generation of ships and all subsequent generations of ships are nuclear-powered.”
And if the Navy doesn’t want to build more DDG 1000 destroyers?
“If the Navy says they’re ready to move on to CG(X), and it’s going to be nuclear-powered, then I’m going to be there with them,” declared Taylor.

Courtesy DefenseNews.com

Well if this Rep gets his way happy days for the USN, first time I have heard "7" for the DDX, and the first time I heard of the CGX selection for 2011 as well, happy days looks like, the CGX is still alive and well, Comments?

Additionally effects of a return to large scale nuclear propulsion? Nuclear power seems to be largely coming back into trend, it makes sense to see the propulsion debate come up again.
 

Big-E

Banned Member
Well if this Rep gets his way happy days for the USN, first time I have heard "7" for the DDX, and the first time I heard of the CGX selection for 2011 as well, happy days looks like, the CGX is still alive and well, Comments?

Additionally effects of a return to large scale nuclear propulsion? Nuclear power seems to be largely coming back into trend, it makes sense to see the propulsion debate come up again.
It sounds like Taylor is a wisp in the wind. "Im for Zumwalts... Oh ok, go ahead and cancel it if we get CG(X)!" All he cares about is getting orders for Ingalls. That means less money for everything else.

He has been doing a great job on all the ABs they have gotten passed. Shame to see that line close. They haven't rushed DDG-1000 into production because the AB Flight II/As are so succesfull, there isn't much that Zumwalts can do that these ships can't at the moment. It's the potential of that electric-drive system that has everybody in the Surface community all geared up.

As far as nukes I never really saw the purpose in making carriers nukes without doing the same for the escorts. I think they are just trying to justify all the expense over the last 50 years of carrier production. :eek:nfloorl:
 

icelord

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I don't like the idea of Nuclear powered Surface Ships, excluding carriers, they are just to big of a target. A sub cannot be hit by a Bomb boat like the cole was, and it travels are secret, so no planning is possible. A carrier travels in fleets when in dangerous waters, and is able to protect itself more so then a Destroyer.
Good for the USN, hope they find the money for all this, seeing as they stopped every other project for Shite ones, but the budget limits could have been a stalling tactic by congress, in hope it would get them votes...anyway...
 

contedicavour

New Member
It's curious to see that even with a Democratic majority defence spending is likely to go up instead of down, at least insofar as we're talking procurement budgets.
We see the same thing in Italy : the centre-left has won, but since one of the most powerful leaders of the "democrats of the left" party is minister of defence - naval affairs, and since he represents La Spezia province... (where most of our defence industry is located) procurement budget is going up strongly and the naval one particularly.

My main issue vs the budget described above is that pursuing very expensive DDG(x) and CG(x) programmes risks cutting overall numbers vs a simple continuation of Burke class (via a Flight IIB or III for example)

cheers
 

Sea Toby

New Member
Considering that the LCSs are being built in Wisconsin and Alabama, and the carriers are built in Virginia there will be a cry from Mississippi and Maine to build new destroyers eventually. While the Maine shipyard may receive some LCSs, and the Mississippi shipyard will receive LHDs, the Mississippi shipyard is considered the largest and most capable shipyard in America. It will need more ship orders to remain so.

Then pork barrel politics come into the picture. The Democrats will attempt to keep the Connecticut submarine shipyard open which the Republicans have almost closed. It will be interesting how much doing so will affect the orders for more destroyers.
 

AegisFC

Super Moderator
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Then pork barrel politics come into the picture. The Democrats will attempt to keep the Connecticut submarine shipyard open which the Republicans have almost closed. It will be interesting how much doing so will affect the orders for more destroyers.
From what I understand the Navy wants to keep Grotten too, somthing to be said about not keeping all of your eggs in one basket.
 

contedicavour

New Member
Considering that the LCSs are being built in Wisconsin and Alabama, and the carriers are built in Virginia there will be a cry from Mississippi and Maine to build new destroyers eventually. While the Maine shipyard may receive some LCSs, and the Mississippi shipyard will receive LHDs, the Mississippi shipyard is considered the largest and most capable shipyard in America. It will need more ship orders to remain so.

Then pork barrel politics come into the picture. The Democrats will attempt to keep the Connecticut submarine shipyard open which the Republicans have almost closed. It will be interesting how much doing so will affect the orders for more destroyers.
There are no shipyards at all on the West Coast ?
Where's the shipyard you are mentioning in Wisconsin ? Completed ships have to go through all of the Great Lakes to reach the sea ? Bizarre... :rolleyes:

cheers
 

Sea Toby

New Member
When the OHPerrys were being built, three shipyards were used: Todd Seattle, Todd San Pedro, and Bath Iron Works in Bath, Maine. Unfortunately due to economic reasons the two Pacific yards closed after the FFG-7s were built. Being on the West Coast they couldn't deliver ships as quickly or as cheaply as Bath.

The one remaining naval shipyard on the West Coast is National Steel in San Diego. They are currently building Lewis & Clark class ammuniton ships, and have built in the past other replenishment ships and prepositional sealift ships for the navy.

I highly suggest you Google Earth Pascagoula, Mississippi's Northrup Grumman's Ingalls Shipyard. Its huge, with synco lifts. They have built all of the Spruance and Kidd class destroyers, half of the Ticenderoga class cruisers, and half of the Arleigh Burke class destroyers, the last two in company with Bath Iron Works. They have also built every Tarawa class LPAs, and every Wasp class LHDs. They currently have the first order for the new LPAs to replace the older Tarawas. While Bath has a great reputation, no one in America builds faster and cheaper than Ingalls.

The former Adams class destroyers built for Australia, and some for America were built in Port Huron, Michigan.

Two shipyards are building the two different new LCSs. Austal is building in Mobile, Alabama and Lockheed is building in Marinette, Wisconsin. The shipyard in Wisconsin built all of the Coast Guard's ocean and inshore buoy tenders recently, along with the new Great Lakes icebreaker.

The San Antonio class of LPDs and many of the recently built LSDs have been built in Westlago, Louisana near New Orleans. There are also smaller shipyards mostly in the South which have built patrol boats and smaller ships for the US Navy and abroad, too many to mention.

Considering the cost of living on the West Coast, with its high housing costs, I wonder how long National Steel will last.

Submarines recently have been built at Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut and Newport News in Newport News, Virginia. All of the aircraft carriers recently have been built at Newport News.

When I say recently, I am thinking since 1990.
 

contedicavour

New Member
Thks a lot for the shipyard industry overview ! Very interesting.
Some time ago I visited Newport News (just before tragic 2001) - I'm even wondering if civilians can visit anymore with the security checks that must be in place now. It was impressive to see the Nimitz behemoths being built or overhauled.

cheers
 

Big-E

Banned Member
I'm even wondering if civilians can visit anymore with the security checks that must be in place now.
Well you certainly can't walk off the street and see it but it's not that hard to get a clearance. An invite and background check will do it.
 

contedicavour

New Member
Well you certainly can't walk off the street and see it but it's not that hard to get a clearance. An invite and background check will do it.
Ah-ha good to know. Next time I come to the US I'll write upfront to try to get an invitation. Back in 2000 I just called upfront and won a great guided tour of the facilities ;)

cheers
 
Top