Andrea Doria (1st horizon) sea trials

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contedicavour said:
I can't believe it :D that smart guy Forcieri is selling a ship that resembles very much to our 4th LPDH to a left-leaning Parliament by calling it a "hospital ship" :D :D :D
Let's see the details, but it would be an amazing accomplishment !
At worst, even if it weren't big enough to be a LPDH, it will be a useful complement to our support forces, halfway between a Etna AOR and a San Marco LPDH.

ciao
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Have I got this right? He is proposing a "hospital ship". It must be able to evacuate casualties, so needs aviation facilities, & integral amphibious & vehicle (ambulances, of course!) carrying capability would be very useful (think tsunamis, typhoons, etc), & since you currently assign one of your little flat-top LPDs to this role & it's proved quite suitable, it's logical to build a similar ship . . . . :D And since it isn't a warship it can be funded out of the Civil Protection budget. Is that right?

Cunning. Very cunning. I like this man!
 
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swerve said:
Have I got this right? He is proposing a "hospital ship". It must be able to evacuate casualties, so needs aviation facilities, & integral amphibious & vehicle (ambulances, of course!) carrying capability would be very useful (think tsunamis, typhoons, etc), & since you currently assign one of your little flat-top LPDs to this role & it's proved quite suitable, it's logical to build a similar ship . . . . :D And since it isn't a warship it can be funded out of the Civil Protection budget. Is that right?

Cunning. Very cunning. I like this man!
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Exactly you got it right 100% !
This vice-minister of defence is a genius, especially if you consider that the current centre-left government includes 3 variants of communist parties who are opposed to defence spending...
Though to be fair one of the 3 LPDHs in service today already was funded in 1987 by the Civil Protection budget, so in itself this isn't a complete budget innovation ;)

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contedicavour said:
Honestly I prefer having 6-8 U212A SSKs ...
The Amur design is great for export to countries needing coastal SSKs, but our Navy needs larger ASW SSKs primarily.
For land attack I would order SCALP Naval for the FREMMs. We already have Storm Shadow for the Tornado and Typhoon, it would be foolish not to order its naval version SCALP Naval for our Navy...

ciao
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also the scalp is considered to be one of the stealthiest cruise missiles available in the market as of now,the scalp was offered by germany along with the u214 ,alternatively they also offered to integrate either the russian klub cruise missile or the indo-russian brahmos.
 
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contedicavour

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aaaditya said:
fremm is a realy beautifull design,i believe it is one of the best looking warships as of now,but is it offered for export to third party nations,how much would it approximately cost?is ie equipped with the millenium ciws and the sirius passive sight?
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For a good series of ships (let's say for example a batch of 6) unitary price of the French version is 280-300 mln euro per ship. If you want improved AAW as in the Italian version unitary cost is 350 mln euro per ship (you get on top EMPAR and Sylver A50 VLS compatible with Aster-30).
If you want this in USD multiply 1€ = 1.27 USD.

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Grand Danois

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contedicavour said:
For a good series of ships (let's say for example a batch of 6) unitary price of the French version is 280-300 mln euro per ship. If you want improved AAW as in the Italian version unitary cost is 350 mln euro per ship (you get on top EMPAR and Sylver A50 VLS compatible with Aster-30).
If you want this in USD multiply 1€ = 1.27 USD.

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And if you order now you get free windscreen dice. ;)
 
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contedicavour

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But no 3D long range search radar :nutkick, or the design of the ship allows a future installation :D :D
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Honestly no need for it, EMPAR has 300km range... and Aster-30 has 120km max range... Of course it would be better if we had S-1850 aboard, but the ship still has a RAN40S as a backup long range air search radar.

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contedicavour said:
Honestly no need for it, EMPAR has 300km range... and Aster-30 has 120km max range... Of course it would be better if we had S-1850 aboard, but the ship still has a RAN40S as a backup long range air search radar.

ciao
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how does the ran 40s differ from the ran40l,can you post some information on both the ran 40s and ran40l as wella sthe sirius passive sight.
 
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I never hearing to speak "RAN-40S" radar :D ... looking the 3D of Italian FREMM i can't see a second big radar ... only little navigation radar.
 
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contedicavour

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aaaditya said:
how does the ran 40s differ from the ran40l,can you post some information on both the ran 40s and ran40l as wella sthe sirius passive sight.
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RAN40L = SPS-798 is the radar I had in mind (sorry for the "S" which is only relative to the RAN10S). The radar is on the Cavour and will shortly be installed on the 2 De la Penne DDGs in replacement of the SPS-768/RAN 3L for long range air search.

The RAN 40L is an advanced D-band, fully solid state phased array, 3D Air Surveillance radar that ensures an instrumental detection of aircraft up to 400 Km in range and up to 30 Km in height. The RAN 40L is the new state-of-the-art radar system, designed to operate in modern complex naval combat defence systems, providing plots and tracks data for Tactical Picture Compilation and for Air Traffic Control support.

Sophisticated technology allows the RAN 40L to rapidly adapt to a broad spectrum of changing operational scenarios where jammers coexist with heavy clutter presence.

The use of multiple simultaneous independently phase controlled pencil beams provides high flexibility in scanning and very high data rate resulting highly effective for clutter processing. Each beam provides monopulse altitude measurements.

Reduced transmitted peak power provides resistance against ARM (Anti Radiation Missile) and ECM (Electronic Counter Measures).

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contedicavour

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Mangusta CBT said:
I never hearing to speak "RAN-40S" radar :D ... looking the 3D of Italian FREMM i can't see a second big radar ... only little navigation radar.
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You are right, in the latest drawings/mockups there is no air search radar anymore. In previous versions there was one atop the 2nd mast.
That's a pity, having a 400km range radar in suppor of EMPAR would have helped. Anyway, EMPAR can make Aster-30 work all alone.
I've rechecked the 3D of FREMM and the radars I see on top of EMPAR are SPS 791 and SPN 753 & 741 for surface and navigation.
There is a Galileo IRST optronic director and2 NA 25XP fire control radars.

ciao
 
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aaaditya

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i believe that ran40l will find its way on indian warships,by the way does anyone know if a more advanced version of the signaal lw08 is available?
 
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contedicavour

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aaaditya said:
i believe that ran40l will find its way on indian warships,by the way does anyone know if a more advanced version of the signaal lw08 is available?
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You would see RAN40L as a replacement of the Bharat/Signaal RAWL/LW08 air search radar of the Delhi DDGs ?
On the Shivalik mockups I see a "Bharat RAWL-02" mentioned and on both the Shivalik and the Talwars I see Russian Fregat-M2EM air search radars.

I doubt there is a replacement of LW08 since the Dutch themselves are using Thales SMART L 3D D-band air search radar on the De Zeven Provincen.

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contedicavour

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Mangusta CBT said:
Is better S-1850 or RAN-40L ? :D :D

Other news about FREMM equipment (sorry only in Italian :( )

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Thanks for the link.

Both radars are long range 3D D-band air search radars. The S1850 has an even longer range but is bulkier and more expensive (so it is reserved for the AAW DDGs).

ciao
 
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