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contedicavour

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i believe rn has a shortage of the amraam missiles ,besides acquiring a small number of amraam missiles would be problematic and would add to the inventory of the indian navy which had already selected the israeli derby and python-5 missiles as their standard air to air missiles.there was never any intention of integrating the amraam onto the sea harrier ,the original plan envisioned the integration of the python-5 and derby with the israeli radar on the sea harrier.
Ah-ha ok, thanks for clarification.
In this case the whole idea was a bit too expensive and complicated, I'd rather spend the money on further MIG29Ks, since the Harriers were old platforms requiring extensive refit once the plan became to strip them out of radar... and install other systems.

cheers
 

aaaditya

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Ah-ha ok, thanks for clarification.
In this case the whole idea was a bit too expensive and complicated, I'd rather spend the money on further MIG29Ks, since the Harriers were old platforms requiring extensive refit once the plan became to strip them out of radar... and install other systems.

cheers
i believe indian navy will place an order for an additional 36 mig29k's to supplement the 24 already ordered and taking the total to 60(3 squadrons),2 ship based squadron, one for each aircraft carrier and 1 land based squadron(most probably based at dabolim in goa or at carnic in andaman and nicobar islands).
 

contedicavour

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i believe indian navy will place an order for an additional 36 mig29k's to supplement the 24 already ordered and taking the total to 60(3 squadrons),2 ship based squadron, one for each aircraft carrier and 1 land based squadron(most probably based at dabolim in goa or at carnic in andaman and nicobar islands).
Wow quite a number 60 ! France will at best have 60 Rafales, Italy has approx 20 Harriers (17 but there are rumours of second hand AV8B+ from the USMC that could be delivered soon) and is requesting 22 F-35B, the Royal Navy will share with RAF but is unlikely to use more than 40-50. Russia will be stuck with its < 30 navalized Flankers until the day when it starts building new carriers...

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aaaditya

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hey guys here is an interesting article about the second indian naval base being built on the east coast at a place called rambilli in andhra pradesh,this naval base would be capable of berthing 2 aircraft carriers.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HJ17Df02.html

BANGALORE - The Indian Navy is getting a new base on the country's east coast. It is 50 kilometers south of Visakhapatnam, where the navy's eastern command is headquartered. This is India's second east-coast naval base, and it is designed to help protect the country's trade with Southeast Asia and to keep a wary eye on China's naval posture in the Bay of Bengal.

The new base - it doesn't have a name yet since it is still at a concept and design stage - is expected to berth two aircraft carriers, support ships and submarines. India's first indigenously built aircraft carrier, which is capable of operating a fleet of 30 aircraft, including naval light combat aircraft, MiG 29K and Sea Harrier aircraft, is likely to be berthed there.

Visakhapatnam houses a naval base and a commercial port, the latter India's leading port in terms of tonnage for the sixth year in a row. Since expansion of the port is not feasible and with maritime traffic expected to increase in the coming years, the need for a complementary port has been felt for a while now. That culminated in the decision to set up a commercial port at Gangavaram.

Just as Gangavaram will help ease the pressure of commercial traffic at Visakhapatnam, the new naval base is expected to decongest the Visakhapatnam naval base. Lawrence Prabhakar, research fellow in the Maritime Security program at the Institute for Defense and Strategic Studies in Singapore, points out that the new base "will provide better anchorage facilities than the crowded Visakhapatnam base".

At Visakhapatnam, the Indian Navy has had to share space with commercial vessels. For several years the navy has been seeking a naval base on the east coast that is under its exclusive control. A similar demand with regard to the west coast resulted in the commissioning of Indian Naval Ship (port) Kadamba at Karwar last year. Kadamba is exclusively under the control of the navy and was set up to ease congestion at Mumbai, which like Visakhapatnam houses a naval base and a commercial port.

There is a need for diversification of naval platforms and another base on the eastern seaboard will meet that need, Prabhakar told Asia Times Online. Besides, there is a need to accommodate newer ships with specialized berthing and service facilities, and appropriate infrastructure for newer ships such as the new air-defense ships and submarines. "The new eastern naval base, along with INS Kadamba would thus emerge as second-tier defense in depth at sea for the Indian Navy," Prabhakar points out.
The proposed base on India's east coast is the latest addition to its rapidly growing naval and maritime profile. India's navy is the fifth-largest in the world. It has ambitions of becoming a blue-water navy, and another naval base will contribute to realizing this ambition.

India describes the waters extending from the Strait of Hormuz to the Strait of Malacca, from Africa's east coast to the western shores of Australia as part of its "rightful domain". An overwhelming proportion of India's imports, especially its oil imports, come by sea. Control over sea lanes of communication (SLOCs) is therefore vital for realization of its dreams of becoming a global economic powerhouse. All this requires a naval and maritime fleet that can protect the SLOCs.

India's "Look-East" policy has resulted in increased economic, strategic and other engagement with Southeast Asia. Over 50% of India's trade passes through the Malacca Strait, making security of this waterway, particularly in the context of piracy there and the lurking threat of maritime terrorism, a crucial security concern for India.

An enhanced naval presence in the Bay of Bengal is therefore vital for India. It was this that prompted India to set up a naval command on the Andaman and Nicobar islands. The new base on India's east coast will further bolster the Andaman and Nicobar naval command, Prabhakar observes, adding that since the Andaman and Nicobar Islands are vulnerable to seismic and tsunami threats, "another base on the Eastern mainland of India is quite essential".

"The political-strategic intent of the new base is to build sinews for India's "Look-East" policy not only in trade terms but also in the context of the evolving maritime balance of power in the Asia-Pacific," says Prabhakar. China is the dominant concern. "The proposed base would have comprehensive anti-air, anti-submarine and amphibious capability, meaning a greater allocation of priority to the emergent Chinese naval force posture in the Myanmar region."

A second naval base on the east coast, which will contribute to increasing India's naval presence in the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean, is intended to balance China's influence there and to facilitate ongoing Indian naval exercises in the South China Sea with the navies of China-wary countries.

The location of the new base is said to be ideal. It is tucked away from the heart of the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean; yet these are easily accessible from the base, as is the Malacca Strait. It is not too near to Bangladesh or Myanmar - where the Chinese naval presence poses a threat to India - as Kolkata is; yet it is close enough to "watch and listen" to Chinese naval activity here.

While the location of the new base is being described as excellent, it appears that the Indian Navy's first choice for the site was Gangavaram, where the new commercial port is being constructed. The navy apparently had identified Gangavaram as best suited for building berthing facilities for its Advanced Technology Vessel (or nuclear submarine) project. It had apparently put in a request some years ago for Gangavaram to be developed as a naval facility but the government turned it down.

Not only did the Indian government sideline the navy for development of the Gangavaram port but worse, it awarded the development of the port project to a private consortium consisting of DV Raju and Dubai Ports World. The latter, the world's third largest port operator, was caught in a political storm in the United States early this year, with questions being raised over the security implications of a United Arab Emirates-owned (UAE)company taking over the running of six American ports.

In April this year, when Dubai Ports World's role as developer of the Gangavaram port drew media attention, an official in India's Defense Ministry told Asia Times Online that the Indian Navy had written to the government four to five years ago expressing its concerns with Dubai Ports World developing Gangavaram.

Unlike the American objection to a UAE-based company running its ports, the Indian Navy's objection was that a foreign operator was being allowed to manage a port so close to the eastern naval command's headquarters, he said. Dubai Ports World subsequently pulled out of the consortium that is developing Gangavaram port.

The new base is being described as the Kadamba of the east. There is little doubt that like Kadamba it will boost India's naval ambitions. But will it - like Kadamba - take decades to become a reality?

"Project Seabird" of which Kadamba is a part was conceived decades ago. It received government sanction in August 1985, and construction was to begin in January 1986 and finish in seven years. In October 1986, then prime minister Rajiv Gandhi even laid the foundation stone for the project. But it was shelved thanks to a resource crunch. Work on the project began only in late 1999 and after enormous time and cost overruns, Kadamba was finally commissioned last year.

Government officials are quick to dismiss fears that the new base will take time to become a reality. Of the 5,000 acres sought by the Defense Ministry, the government of Andhra Pradesh - the state where the base will be located - has already allotted 500 acres. According to reports, the remaining land is to be assigned shortly. The project seems to have started off well. But political and bureaucratic meddling will have to stop for the new naval base project to go full steam ahead.
 

vedang

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Shivalik????

hey any news about the SHIVALIK class of frigates???when is the 1st ship to be inducted???which is going to be the aaw-warfare system on it???will it be barak-2 or shtil????
going with the time of development of indian systems,,i think they will have 2 go with barak-1 itself..
 

contedicavour

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hey any news about the SHIVALIK class of frigates???when is the 1st ship to be inducted???which is going to be the aaw-warfare system on it???will it be barak-2 or shtil????
going with the time of development of indian systems,,i think they will have 2 go with barak-1 itself..
AFAIK it's improved Shtil SA-N-12, in VLS tubes like on the improved Delhi DDGs currently building. Barak-1 is only a self defence/short range missile with a range of 10km.

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tatra

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hey any news about the SHIVALIK class of frigates???when is the 1st ship to be inducted???which is going to be the aaw-warfare system on it???will it be barak-2 or shtil????
going with the time of development of indian systems,,i think they will have 2 go with barak-1 itself..
From Global Security:
Under Project 17, the Indian Cabinet approved the construction of a new stealthy multi-role surface ship in 1997. The Indian Navy ordered the first 3 ships in 1999. The Shivalik was launched in 2003, with the Satpura and Sahyadri susequently launched in 2004 and 2005. The first ship of the class Shivalik was launched on April 18, 2003 and the second ship Satpura on June 04, 2004. The Mazagaon Dock Ltd launched the third of the P-17 Stealth frigate on 27 May 2005. Tentative commsssioning dates for the first and second are given as Dec 2005 (Shivalik) and Sept 2007 (Satpura).

Given the commisioning date for the second, and the launch dates, I expect the first to be commissioned this december. But slippage may be longer, more like March 2007.

Indian defence quoted the following:
Shivalik; Laid Down 11/7/01, Launch 18/4/03, Commissioning 30/6/06.
Satpura; Laid Down ?/?/2002, Launch 4/6/04, Commissioning 29/12/06.
Sahyadri; Laid Down 17/3/2003, Launch 27/5/05, Commissioning 30/3/07

Bharat Rakshak lists:
Shival; Laid Down 11/7/01, Launch 18/4/03, Commissioning March 2007.
Satpura; Laid Down ?/?/2002, Launch 4/6/04, Commissioning ?/12/07.
Sahyadri; Laid Down 17/3/03, Launch 27/5/05, Commissioning ?/3/08

Some of the gear purchased for these ships is listed in here:
www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/REG_IMP_IND_95-05.pdf/download

Shtil, Kashtan, Club ... pretty much like Talwar class but with different electronics, sensors, machinery and better helo facilities.
 

aaaditya

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the p-17a series also has a greater degree of stealth features than the russian krivack developed with the french,italian and canadian assistance.

one of the features that the p17a has which the krivack does not have is that the powerplant and gearbox machinery are mounted on vibration proof mounting and enclosed in sound proof enclosures.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys check out this article about the indo-german defence cooperation,it is pretty interesting .

here check out this link:

http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/2682

The proposed revival of Indo-German military ties is a classic example of why political pique must not be allowed to impinge on national interests. Shutters were pulled down on cooperation with Bonn in military hardware production during the Rajiv reign in the wake of reports that some persons benefited from kickbacks in the deal to produce SSK hunter-killer submarine at the Mazagaon Docks under licence from HDW.
Before the deal went into cold storage for good, courtesy the then finance minister V P Singh, India had bought two submarines from the German shipyard. Two more were bought in completely knocked down (CKD) kits. The last four hulls were made from local material but the engines and some other components were procured from original German manufacturer.
German firm was alleged to have paid out kickbacks for bagging the contract and, later, having sold the design of the SSK submarine to South Africa, where the White minority regime practiced apartheid as state policy -a factor India was opposing in all international fora.
Hence, whatever transfer of technology that took place was confined to the extant project. It did not become a building block for further improvement and indigenous upgradation to a more modern weapons platform and when the project was completed the slipway and the expertise and trained manpower languished and disappeared without contributing to “competence building” to the extent of enabling the nation to design and develop its own submarine. The Advanced Technology Vessel, a euphemism for a titanium-hulled nuclear-powered submarine that was being pursued simultaneously with the German submarine project is still to take to the seas.
Something worse happened to the Bofors contract for the same reason of a groundswell of political opposition on the wave of which several politicians became Prime Ministers. Because of this the technology transfer for the 155-mm howitzer was never consummated.
As a consequence a perfectly good weapons platform suffered from spare parts and matching munitions problems; all the shortcomings were rectified at bloated cost post-haste when the Bofors howitzer turned out to be the best weapon to dislodge the Pakistanis from Kargil heights.
It is because the nuclear-powered submarine has not fructified that India had, perforce, to buy the air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology from the French in the shape of the Scorpene submarine.
The AIP technology helps the submarine to remain submerged without having to come to the surface for fresh supplies of air for a longer period than the conventional submarine. But it is still a pale shadow of a nuclear-powered submarine which can remain submerged for the entire cycle between maintenance repairs—which runs into several years—or the time required to give the crew rest and recreation which could be several months. Remaining submerged for long periods prevents the enemy from detecting and destroying the submarine during hostilities or trailing it during peacetime.
This advantage is compounded by the fact that a nuclear-powered submarine can travel faster underwater for longer periods which is a great advantage in either catching up with an enemy or getting away from hostile waters.
When Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee visited Berlin to sign afresh the defence accord, there was much focus on Germany’s expertise in air-independent propulsion technology. It rings a bell. Is the Scorpene contract with France about to be scuttled? Well, it may because the Naval War Room leak of secret information could well have been intended to benefit the French manufacturer of the submarine. We in India have the proclivity to cancel projects that have been won by crooked means. So much so will Bofors saga revisit Scorpene deal? These are early days to say anything. In replies to questions in Parliament the Government has stated that investigations into the War Room leak had not revealed any connection with the Scorpene deal. This begs the question were the senior naval officers involved in the leak fishing for peanuts? Unlikely! Big information has been sold.
The new Indo-German agreement has been described as facilitating the relationship to graduate from the level of buyer-seller to that of co-production, joint development, and transfer of technology. Joint development of an engine for the indigenous main battle tank Arjun tank will have far-reaching consequences. Also, it could mean an improvement of the performance of the tank as a fighting platform. A more powerful engine would make what is seen to be an ungainly heavy chassis (58 tonnes) more manoeuvrable over a longer range. With retro-improvement and refinements India could become self-sufficient in a whole family of armoured vehicles for its mechanized forces built around the new engine technology. After all, every weapons platform is created around the capabilities of its engine.
Juxtaposed as it is with the Navy War Room Leak, the Indo-German agreement has the potential of providing a clean slate for future plans for the Indian Navy. After all, it is one Service that has progressed impressively from licensed production of Leander class frigates from Britain to the production indigenously of the Godavari class. These are essentially stretched versions of the Leanders but have innovations like enlarged hangar space to take two anti-submarine warfare helicopters. It means India navy achieved a quantum leap in its search and destroy capability.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys interesting news ,seems that the indian navy will use the sea kings till atleast upto 2010 and will also acquire 6 sikorsky helicopters for the uss trenton being acquired from usa.

india has also sent request for proposals to 8 manufacturers including sikorsky for a heavy maritime reconnaisance helicopter (atleast 16 helicopters may be acquired) to replace the sea kings.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.teluguportal.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18502

New Delhi, Oct 22 (IANS) The Indian Navy has awarded European aircraft major AgustaWestland the contract to restore to service seven Sea King Mk 42B helicopters that were stripped to keep the rest of the fleet in service.

Their cannibalization took place from 1998 onwards when the navy's almost entire fleet of 16 Sea King Mk 42Bs acquired in 1985 - and four Sea King Mk 42Cs that entered service a year later - were grounded due to lack of spares following US sanctions against New Delhi over its nuclear tests.

Although sanctions were lifted in 2001, bureaucratic delays led to the US clearing Sea King spares for delivery only in early 2003, a period that impacted seriously on its operational preparedness.

Navy officials said work to resurrect the seven Sea King Mk 42B helicopters will commence by the year-end in Kochi and completed in 24-36 months.

AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, will provide a specialist team to assist state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) that will undertake the repair and overhaul of "rotable" items including the transmission and helicopter rotor heads in support of this contract.

Two years ago HAL and AgustaWestland had signed a contract to jointly repair and overhaul the navy's Sea King helicopter fleet.

"The contract will ensure that seven existing airframes will be returned to service, enabling the Indian Navy to achieve increased numbers at sea. This contract will aid AgustaWestland to further develop its business links with the Indian aerospace industry and will result in additional work for HAL's Sea King repair and overhaul facility," said Bert Brookes, AgustaWestand's Britain-based customer support director.

The navy plans to keep its Sea King helicopter fleet operational till 2010 and is also on the verge of closing negotiations with the US to buy six surplus Sikorsky UH-3H Sea Kings for around Rs.3 billion ($66 million).

These six will operate off the USS Trenton, the 35-year old Austin-class dock-landing platform the navy is buying for Rs.2 billion via the US Foreign millitary Sales Programme.

The Trenton's transfer is expected to take place in December, Admiral Gary Roughhead, head of the US Pacific Fleet, was quoted as saying.
 

contedicavour

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Just in case, we've got several ASH-3D Sea Kings that we are mothballing as the EH-101 deliveries are being completed. If some of those can help the Indian Navy keep their Sea Kings flying until 2010 ;)

cheers
 

aaaditya

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well they may be used,considering that the agusta westland would be providing maintainence support for the indian navy sea king helicopters.

by the way ,eh101 is also being evaluated for the indian navy replacement order for the sea kings.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys great news ,indian coast guard is on an expansion mode ,in the next 5 years it would be acquiring an additional 21 new vessels (most indigenously built) to supplement the 70 ships and 45 aircrafts already in service ,these 21 vessels shall include additional xfac fast attack crafts(8 units are planned) ,extra large patrol vessels(atleast 3 units of these 2000 ton vessels are planned) and the rolls royce designed pollution control vessels(atleast 6 units of these 3000+ ton vessels are planned).

they will also set up 5 major coast guard stations and three marine coastal security units(marine security police stations).

here check out this link and article:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=424172


Coastguard to set up five major coastguard stations

NEW DELHI, OCT 23 (PTI)
In a bid to plug loopholes in the country's coastline security, Coastguard plans to set up five major coastguard stations by next year and boost its strength by inducting 21 more warships.
The force also plans to set up three marine coastal security units off the Arabian coast with the help of Union Home Ministry on fast track basis to check smuggling of arms and explosive material by terrorist groups operating from Pakistani soil, Coastguard Director General Vice Admiral R F Contractor said.
Making a presentation at the Coastguard Commanders conference here in the presence of Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Contractor said the three new marine police stations were planned to be set up at Vereval, Dahanu and Murud Janjira in Guajart.
"These stations would be set up on fast track in coordination with the Home Ministry in view of the prevailing security situation", Contractor said.
The Commanders conference was also attended by the Defence Secretary Shekar Dutt and senior defence and Home Ministry officials. It discussed in detail new steps to guard against terrorists using the country's long western coastline to smuggle arms and explosives.
The Director General said three major Coast Guard stations had come up at Jakhau, Pondicherry and Beypore and fourth at Kakinada would be commissioned next month. Coastguard has 70 warships and 45 aircraft at its disposal. It's reach would be further strengthened with the induction of 21 more warships, including pollution control vessels and fast interceptor crafts.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys great news,india and us navies will be conducting a joint naval excercise of the goa coast code named malabar9 .the most latest us submarine the providence would be participating in this excercise.

here check out this link:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=424964


US Marines to be in action in sea landings off Goa Coast

NEW DELHI, OCT 26 (PTI)
Indian and the US forces have kicked off a big joint land and sea exercises off the Goa coast, after a lull of almost a year and half, attempting for the first time to land joint expeditonary forces from the sea.
"US marines and specialised Indian army troops would be attempting to land sea-borne expeditionary forces during the exercises code named Malabar-9 off the Konkan coast," according to a Naval spokesman here.
The exercises have already commenced from October 24 and would for the first time see US Marines in action on the Indian soil as they go through complex battle manouvres in the Army's prestigious commando school in Belgaum.
After introducing the Indian Navy to their huge nuclear powered carriers, US Navy has brought its newest Nuclear powered submarine USS Providence for the exercises. The other elements of the US forces will be its huge copter-cum-landing ship USS Boxer, Destroyers Benfold and Howard, the US CoastGuard cutter Midget, Canandian frigate Ottawa and sea spyplane P-3C Orions.
The Indian navy is fielding the pride of its indigenous warships INS Mysore, guided missile frigates Beas and Ganga, Tanker Shakti, Large landing ship INS Gharial sub-surface killer submarine INS Shankul, Coast Guard ship Samar and reconnaisance aircraft and Sea Harrier fighters.

Though personnel of Indian Army, Navy and IAF have over the years been training for such landings, this would be for the first time that they would be attempting such manoeuvres with a foreign army.

"For this operation involving sea-borne landings, some of our army troops have already been trained on board the Landing ship INS Gharial and now these forces would be exercising with US Marines," the Naval spokesman said.
He said the exercises would also see the two navies engaging in advanced anti-submarine operations, maritime interdictions, weapons firings, search and seizure operations, cross deck flying and dissimlar air combat.
The sea borne exercises would be followed by joint commando exercises on the land codenamed Operation Shatrujit in which US marines and personnel from 1 Punjab would carry out joint anti-terrorist exercises. India and the United States forces have been holding regular joint exercises involving land, sea and air elements, but there had been a pause for almost a year and half.
 

contedicavour

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well they may be used,considering that the agusta westland would be providing maintainence support for the indian navy sea king helicopters.

by the way ,eh101 is also being evaluated for the indian navy replacement order for the sea kings.
The EH101 is ideal in terms of range, autonomy, payload, sensors, etc for an ocean navy like India's, and is the only real successor to the Sea King - the latest versions of Seahawk are smaller and not really comparable.
I wonder if it could be arranged to develop in India an assembly line for EH101s for South & south-eastern Asia. I guess so.

cheers
 

aaaditya

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The EH101 is ideal in terms of range, autonomy, payload, sensors, etc for an ocean navy like India's, and is the only real successor to the Sea King - the latest versions of Seahawk are smaller and not really comparable.
I wonder if it could be arranged to develop in India an assembly line for EH101s for South & south-eastern Asia. I guess so.

cheers
indian company hal and eurocopter are jointly developing a 12 ton helicopter based on the cougar and the alh dhruv ,i believe in future this will be the standard medium lift helicopter of the indian armed forces replacing the mi17's and the sea kings(or their replacements).
 

aaaditya

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hey guys sreat news ,indians are raising a maritime police force ,whose responsibilities will include anti-smuggling,counter insurgency,law and order maintainence,coastal intelligence gathering etc,this move will reduce the preasure on the indian coast guard and the navy,this marine police will also be extremely usefull in the event of a war as they will provide security to navala nd coastal installations and will be used for anti spying operations etc.

an order has been placed for upto 90 10 ton boarts for this force.

here check out this link and article:

http://www.teluguportal.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18721

First mooted in the wake of the 1993 Mumbai terror bombings, an ambitious plan to create Marine Police forces in india's coastal states is finally taking off but doubts remain over the manner in which they will be administered.

Orders for some 90 high-speed boats of 10 tonne class and 20 tonne class have been placed with Kolkata's Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) and other shipyards and the first marine Police station has even opened in Gujarat but it will be a long time before teething problems are ironed out, officials say.

The Marine Police are envisaged as the first line of defence along India's 7,516-km coastline to patrol an area of 10 km from the shore. Thereafter, the Coast Guard would be responsible for the 10-50 km area with the Indian Navy guarding the area beyond that.

Strange as it may sound, there are at present no concrete arrangements to patrol India's inshore coastal areas and the numerous creeks and rivulets along the coastline. It is largely due to this lacuna that the perpetrators of the 1993 Mumbai blasts could land enormous amounts of explosives undetected. Thirteen years down the line, the situation remains much the same with rampant smuggling continuing unabated - particularly along the west coast.

At present only the Andaman and Nicobar Islands have a Marine Police force. Under a scheme drawn up by the home ministry, each of India's nine other coastal states - Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa, Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Orissa and West Bengal - were to independently set up such forces with the centre and the states sharing the cost on a 50:50 basis.

But, even as the government accepted this proposal of a group of ministers, basic administrative issues are yet to be addressed, say officials of the Indian Coast Guard, who have been tasked with training the initial cadres of Marine Police personnel.

"We have been asked to provide two-month training in areas like seamanship and interception to the Marine Police forces but this is only the beginning," a Coast Guard officer told IANS, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"To be able to venture out to sea, these personnel will first need to acquire a certificate from the Mercantile Marine Department of the shipping ministry. This will not only require additional training but will also make them eligible for jobs in the merchant navy, where the pay and perks are certainly better than what they will get in the police forces," the officer added.

Then, there is the question whether the Marine Police personnel would constitute a separate cadre or would form a part of the existing police forces.

"Either way has an inherent disadvantage," the Coast Guard officer explained.

"If they form a separate cadre, frustration would set in as promotional avenues would be limited due to the small size of the force in each state. If they are part of the state police, they would be constantly shuttling between assignments and training levels would suffer," the officer added.

One possible way out could be to place them under an organisation like the Coast Guard, but this would defeat the very rationale of raising such forces.

The reasons for this are not difficult to understand.

Till 1978, the Indian Navy was responsible for both inshore and offshore patrolling. When the Coast Guard was formed, it was empowered to apprehend defaulters at sea but had to hand over offenders and the entire case to the police of the state off which the offence had occurred.

However, the state police forces did not have the time and inclination to pursue offences committed at sea, even saying this was best left to the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard did not agree and over the years, changes in state laws have rectified this lacuna.

Maintenance is another major area of concern.

"Given the manner in which state police forces maintain their existing assets, one shudders to think how they will maintain the Marine Police vessels," the Coast Guard officer pointed out.
 

contedicavour

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indian company hal and eurocopter are jointly developing a 12 ton helicopter based on the cougar and the alh dhruv ,i believe in future this will be the standard medium lift helicopter of the indian armed forces replacing the mi17's and the sea kings(or their replacements).
12 tonne is a bit light isn't it ? EH101 is 14.6 tonne helo, with 1000km range and 280km/H speed thanks to their 3 1490KW turbines.
I've seen pictures of the Dhruv, I would have though of it as comparable to the NH90 maximum in terms of size.
Do you know about the characteristics of the helo being prepared jointly by Hal and Eurocopter ?

cheers
 

tphuang

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12 tonne is a bit light isn't it ? EH101 is 14.6 tonne helo, with 1000km range and 280km/H speed thanks to their 3 1490KW turbines.
I've seen pictures of the Dhruv, I would have though of it as comparable to the NH90 maximum in terms of size.
Do you know about the characteristics of the helo being prepared jointly by Hal and Eurocopter ?

cheers
no, Dhruv is in the weight class of Eurocopter Tiger.
 

aaaditya

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no, Dhruv is in the weight class of Eurocopter Tiger.
comparing dhruv to the eurocopter tiger is ridiculous ,tiger is an attack helicopter whereas the dhruv is a transport helicopter,dhruv is in the 4.5-5 ton class while the tiger is in the 5.5 ton class,the light combat helicopter which is currently being developed by the hindusthan aeronautics limited from the dhruv is in the same class as the tiger at 5.5 tons and it is an attack helicopter,dhruv is in the same class as the eurocpter dauphin.
 
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