ADF General discussion thread

SamB

Member
Who said anything about Javelin?

And which Javelin are you talking about? The Anti-tank missile? Or the SAM that was retired 30 years ago in the late 1990's.

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APKWS (Hydra 70 with laser guidance kit) was tested against drones this month by a Typhoon and is quite inexpensive ($40-50k AUD?).

LMM (Martlet) is somewhere around $100-150k AUD per shot and is optimised for launch from helicopters and ground platforms.

I think the French just trialed something this week as a cheap anti-drone weapon from Rafele as well, but I didn't read to see what the missile was.

Not saying those exact missiles should be purchased, but they are both much more cost effective then using a Sidewinder, ASRAAM or AMRAAM.

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Probably don't fall into the trap of comparing the cost of the counter measure to what it is countering, compare it to the damage that could be done if the drone is *not* countered.
But the defence at any cost mentality prevents actual solutions by focusing too heavily on higher cost and exquisite technology, and there will be fewer incentives to pivot to EW suits, high-volume autocannons and lasers, which would change the cost per shot from two million dollars to much, much lower. And the army deserves a raft of cost-effective man-portable solutions pushing the cost per shot even lower.

EDIT: and yes ATGM
 
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Morgo

Well-Known Member
I don’t think this is that much of an issue.

1) Buy a bunch of Bushmasters in Strikemaster config.

2) Put a box launcher on the back carry 24x Ukrainian interceptor drones at $2k to $5k a pop.

3) Integrate it with NASAMs and their CEATAC radars.

4) Bye bye drones.
 

SammyC

Well-Known Member
I don’t think this is that much of an issue.

1) Buy a bunch of Bushmasters in Strikemaster config.

2) Put a box launcher on the back carry 24x Ukrainian interceptor drones at $2k to $5k a pop.

3) Integrate it with NASAMs and their CEATAC radars.

4) Bye bye drones.
Mmm. Dronemaster. I can see the advertising now.

Jokes aside, I think this is exactly the concept needed. Their interceptors are so small that I think a Dronemaster could hold a lot more than 24. I'm thinking over a hundred.

This doesn't replace more advanced systems, but it enables them to be used on the few real targets.
 

SamB

Member
Mmm. Dronemaster. I can see the advertising now.

Jokes aside, I think this is exactly the concept needed. Their interceptors are so small that I think a Dronemaster could hold a lot more than 24. I'm thinking over a hundred.

This doesn't replace more advanced systems, but it enables them to be used on the few real targets.
I do think that there ought to be a standard for selecting emerging technology that includes human mortality as well.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Singapore with a large population and a small geographic area (hence a high population density) could use technology to increase the effect per person. Ukraine with a larger population and a larger area has used technology to offset the manpower advantage enjoyed by their adversary. Australia with a small population and a very large area needs to use technology to increase both the effectiveness of the personnel and increase the reach of the individual (and collective) combatant.
Singapore doesn't have a large population. It has a high population density because it has a very small area, much less than the ACT, with a bit more than the population of Queensland crammed into it - & almost a third of the population consists of temporary residents, not part of the pool of potential recruits for the armed forces.

Compared to the population of Singapore, Australia's population isn't small, but large: it's between 4.5 times & 6.5 times the population of Singapore, depending on whether you count temporary residents, or only citizens & permanent residents, in Singapore's population.

BTW, I think Singapore doesn't intend to fight on its own territory if it can help it. It aims to to engage an attacker as far away as it can, so like Australia, it wants reach.
 

SamB

Member
The 2026 National Defence Strategy of Australia speaks of a strategy of denial. It is a document written for a force that understands its geography yet is only beginning to grasp its adversaries psychology. We all live in a world that struggles with the ruthless efficiencies required for high stakes warfare. The IIP aims for significant uplift yet the wording is ill-defined. This is a mistake. The IIP treats funding as an administrative tool rather than a tactical weapon. The GOTD hopes to have a larger more lethal ADF by 2030 yet the rest of ASEAN and indeed the the world in which New Zealand is ignorant of do not wait for the convenience of supply chains. While Australia is building shields, the rest of the world is building spears.

The reliance on the United States of America is a vulnerability. A force that cannot rely on its own independence becomes an extension of another's will power. While Australia is moving towards independence we are slow to understand that true independence comes from adaptation rather than alliances and alliances is a matter for the consulate parts of government. If the Alliance is distracted and it is distracted. The ADF will be left exposed, thus relying on a strategy that is more hope than engineering.

The proposed force is sophisticated yet are few in numbers. The introduction of Ghost Bat and Ghost Shark shows intelligence. I see a lack of rapid large scale manufacturing to replace losses in a protracted high intensity conflicts as inferior to a simple one that can. Leaders often mistake disruptions to Commerce rather than the ultimate expression of strategy. We all desire a rules based order which is commendable but we fail to see those who view our rules as a cage. They are fighting the war they want not the war that is. The ADF is elite yet only in small numbers. They lack the meticulous ruthlessness of a nation that puts woman and children first. In other words to save the ones you love, sometimes you have to kill.

If Australians do not learn to turn their sons into a protector and a father, and a lover! Then large scale rapid technological scalability independent of allies become just a noise.

The commitment of AUD$368 billion for nuclear powered submarines is a long term project however the optimal pathway creates dangerous capability gaps in 2026. As the surface fleet dwindles the error of trading immediate presence for future capability leaves ADF commanders waiting for the perfect ship only to find themselves surplus to requirements. Gentleman. SEA 3000 must be accelerated. Do not merely wait for AUKAS Pillar one. Pillar two, must be accelerated also. Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane would become 3D printers.

The era of exquisite pilots is ending. By 2028 every RAAF crew within reason becomes a command node. By then ghost bat will reach FOC it would be preferably for every F-35 to have 4 but moves should be made for 2 for all crew. Anyone who looks at a sensor sweep will see a cloud and waste their time while human pilots skirt the periphery of the confusion. Where as ghost shark lay in low power mode backed up by a host of smaller UUVs who can piggy back off of 90 meter Arafuras. Just enough to govern a northern trade corridor instead of assuming trade will always be open all of the time. monitoring a governed trade corridor across Australia's north. It listens before it strikes. And I strongly suspect that others will have a more intimate knowledge of constructing governed trade corridors because ASEAN will want in on it too.

Stop pretending that 3 Hobart's can hold an ocean. Commission ghost shark and make Sydney into a production hub.

Seperation rates from Army is way to high. You're attempting to buy loyalty with continuation bonuses. That is a mercenaries tactic that fails to address the soul of a warrior and treating all ADF personal as a workforce to be managed rather than a culture to be tempered by images of brumbies raring up. And I dare say. All 5eyes members will want in on this. Perhaps standardise recruitment for permanent residents south pacific included. Y'know you can't have to many Maori, Tongan, Fijians and Samoans in the NCO mess. Security is not a solo performance which doesn't say much for their governments. How shame would it be for all of there best warriors to go I think the Australian Government is on to something.

Not just space and cyber forces their needs to be a dedicated undersea cable force that treats the undersea network the same as borders with dedicated software that can turn the internet into a closed loop. It would be unhackable. It would be very dangerous to shut whole nations out of Australia's internet new U.N. resolutions may have to be written but in times of crisses making sure the lights stay on is Australia first.

The northern bases can be worked on also. Perhaps not hardened just more of it. Fuel and ammunition is going to be a massive issue. Going back to a governed trade corridor you'd position ghost forces everywhere. Every incursion against Australian sovereignty should be live streamed. Then you smash them in the face with HIMARS or whatever effect but the ADF is always behind. They never get in front of the ADF's public image. Perhaps even Indonesia will host P8s.

China's strategy is driven by a desire to correct past greviences. They do not seek mere territory they seek restoration. The west cannot stay in a defensive posture. By strengthening ties as in training with the broadest group possible and having ADF personal go on paid holidays abroad. It creates a psychological wall that mirrors China's great Wall. When they realise that the cost of restoration is there own prosperity, they will hesitate. A command structure that can read intent and strike is the greatest fantasy fleet of all. These are the men who can in six months of training deploy against the most terrifying and evil odds imaginable. And you want to give them 2 years.
 

DDG38

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
The ADF is elite yet only in small numbers. They lack the meticulous ruthlessness of a nation that puts woman and children first. In other words to save the ones you love, sometimes you have to kill.
Going to call you on this statement, please provide evidence that demonstrates that the ADF lack ruthlessness. What makes you think that in a combat situation ADF members would not be able to kill the enemy (if that's what you're saying, if not please clarify).
 

SamB

Member
Going to call you on this statement, please provide evidence that demonstrates that the ADF lack ruthlessness. What makes you think that in a combat situation ADF members would not be able to kill the enemy (if that's what you're saying, if not please clarify).
Hello. That quote is about the support of the nation or lack of. Law is a weakness of mine. Please allow me to elaborate. Can the nation truly support the ADF as it is intended to be in the NDS. For example can Canberra honour the spirit of the text and authorise state level move on notices or stronger. There are also lower levels of national support that are..., iffy. I'm trying to keep this a defence oriented comment but immigration is to high. When importing whole percentage points 1%-2% per year they don't integrate, it puts those nations first and Australia second. But there are also other things than just defence that would have to focus men and material towards reshaping the ADF.
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
The 2026 National Defence Strategy of Australia speaks of a strategy of denial. It is a document written for a force that understands its geography yet is only beginning to grasp its adversaries psychology. We all live in a world that struggles with the ruthless efficiencies required for high stakes warfare. The IIP aims for significant uplift yet the wording is ill-defined. This is a mistake. The IIP treats funding as an administrative tool rather than a tactical weapon. The GOTD hopes to have a larger more lethal ADF by 2030 yet the rest of ASEAN and indeed the the world in which New Zealand is ignorant of do not wait for the convenience of supply chains. While Australia is building shields, the rest of the world is building spears.

The reliance on the United States of America is a vulnerability. A force that cannot rely on its own independence becomes an extension of another's will power. While Australia is moving towards independence we are slow to understand that true independence comes from adaptation rather than alliances and alliances is a matter for the consulate parts of government. If the Alliance is distracted and it is distracted. The ADF will be left exposed, thus relying on a strategy that is more hope than engineering.

The proposed force is sophisticated yet are few in numbers. The introduction of Ghost Bat and Ghost Shark shows intelligence. I see a lack of rapid large scale manufacturing to replace losses in a protracted high intensity conflicts as inferior to a simple one that can. Leaders often mistake disruptions to Commerce rather than the ultimate expression of strategy. We all desire a rules based order which is commendable but we fail to see those who view our rules as a cage. They are fighting the war they want not the war that is. The ADF is elite yet only in small numbers. They lack the meticulous ruthlessness of a nation that puts woman and children first. In other words to save the ones you love, sometimes you have to kill.
I think that a strategy of Denial is the only possible strategy when any likely opponent has a much larger population, military and economy then what we have ourselves. China isn't the only possible hostile nation, don't forget that the last time the Government publicly announced the breaking of a spy ring, they weren't Chinese.

We are also both protected and hindered by Geography. Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines are between us and any likely threat. Which means two things. Any direct threat against us has to pass over those countries, but it also means that we cannot strike back without passing over them. There is *no* guarantee that these countries would approve it, unless an aggressor attacks them first, why would they agree to put themselves in the firing line?

The reliance on the United States is a recognition of the geopolitical reality. No it isn't ideal, but who else can we rely on? We do *not* have the population, economic power or military might to be able to stand alone without friends. But that reliance should be reduced as much as we can, by building capability at home where it can be sustained, and by sourcing capabilities from multiple sources where it is possible to do so. If the US cuts off our supply of JASSM because they used all theirs against Iran and need to restock, it would be nice to have an equivalent capability that we can purchase elsewhere.

I honestly think that Australia should be spending more on defence, I also honestly think that at the moment, any Government that cuts funding to Medicare, NDIS or Social Security to fund that, is likely to get kicked out of office at the next election.

If you want to grow the ADF, get them the best equipment available and enough of it to go around. Focus on growing the reserves by focusing on lifestyle and fitness benefits, do non compulsory adventure weekends (maybe even allow people to bring family), throw in free gym memberships or even have very well equipped gyms at all reserve bases with classes on offer. Make it genuinely attractive and with benefits that you won't get anywhere else. Make it so that reserve *combat units* themselves can't be deployed overseas but that individual members can be attached to active duty units.

Oh, and make it a much faster and easier process to join the ADF. Kick people out at/after basic training rather than taking so long at intake.

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There are two key things that we don't make, or at least in quantity.
1. We lost our last large scale casting facilities when GM and Ford closed their engine plants, so as far as I know we no longer have the ability to build engine blocks for vehicles in large numbers. We *do* have companies that can machine them from billet steel, but that is a very low volume proposition. Nissan does have a die cast plant here for smaller components.
2. We also do not have any capability (unless one of the universities has a lab scale capability) to manufacture modern integrated circuits. This means that any guided weapons that are produced in Australia will require imported computer chips, it also means that we cannot build modern industrial machinery without imported components. We cannot build the tools that build machinery and component parts.
 

SamB

Member
I think that a strategy of Denial is the only possible strategy when any likely opponent has a much larger population, military and economy then what we have ourselves. China isn't the only possible hostile nation, don't forget that the last time the Government publicly announced the breaking of a spy ring, they weren't Chinese.

We are also both protected and hindered by Geography. Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines are between us and any likely threat. Which means two things. Any direct threat against us has to pass over those countries, but it also means that we cannot strike back without passing over them. There is *no* guarantee that these countries would approve it, unless an aggressor attacks them first, why would they agree to put themselves in the firing line?

The reliance on the United States is a recognition of the geopolitical reality. No it isn't ideal, but who else can we rely on? We do *not* have the population, economic power or military might to be able to stand alone without friends. But that reliance should be reduced as much as we can, by building capability at home where it can be sustained, and by sourcing capabilities from multiple sources where it is possible to do so. If the US cuts off our supply of JASSM because they used all theirs against Iran and need to restock, it would be nice to have an equivalent capability that we can purchase elsewhere.

I honestly think that Australia should be spending more on defence, I also honestly think that at the moment, any Government that cuts funding to Medicare, NDIS or Social Security to fund that, is likely to get kicked out of office at the next election.

If you want to grow the ADF, get them the best equipment available and enough of it to go around. Focus on growing the reserves by focusing on lifestyle and fitness benefits, do non compulsory adventure weekends (maybe even allow people to bring family), throw in free gym memberships or even have very well equipped gyms at all reserve bases with classes on offer. Make it genuinely attractive and with benefits that you won't get anywhere else. Make it so that reserve *combat units* themselves can't be deployed overseas but that individual members can be attached to active duty units.

Oh, and make it a much faster and easier process to join the ADF. Kick people out at/after basic training rather than taking so long at intake.

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There are two key things that we don't make, or at least in quantity.
1. We lost our last large scale casting facilities when GM and Ford closed their engine plants, so as far as I know we no longer have the ability to build engine blocks for vehicles in large numbers. We *do* have companies that can machine them from billet steel, but that is a very low volume proposition. Nissan does have a die cast plant here for smaller components.
2. We also do not have any capability (unless one of the universities has a lab scale capability) to manufacture modern integrated circuits. This means that any guided weapons that are produced in Australia will require imported computer chips, it also means that we cannot build modern industrial machinery without imported components. We cannot build the tools that build machinery and component parts.
Hello StevoJH. I am a humble blue collar worker. Always have been and always will be. That said.

Day one of the Iranian interventionist war proved the effectiveness of high altitude precision munitions, day two proved the effectiveness of mobile medium ranged or even bunkered munitions.

In the Ukrainian war day one proved the effectiveness of man portable SAMs :). Day two proved the effectiveness of man portable ATGMs. Day three proved the effectiveness of artillery. And every other day since then has proved the effectiveness of drones.

Now I don't have any information or open source information to say that China is doing for Iran as the west is doing for Ukraine even though Chinese officials and trade says exactly that. But China is aiding Iran against The United States of America and we are aiding what analysts described at the time that Russia's economy was backwards on the verge of collapse and their military production and capacity would fall away just as quickly.

When considered in totality. I gotta put China a bit ahead. I don't want this to be a race to the death. The introduction of AI into war has done something that I fear has gone unnoticed by too many and noticed by too few and definitely not in the places where vigilance and authority matter.



AI is an extremely resource hungry beast. Generating a five second AI generated video consumes as much electricity as leaving the microwave on for an hour and sophisticated AI models are draining whole rivers and the last of the coal. The rapid increase in AI usage has led to significant rises in greenhouse gas emissions from major tech companies like Microsoft (40% increase) and Google (almost 50% higher) between 2020 and 2023.


It's a pity so many armchair professional uber red green rainbow wave uber elite consensus focus their nagging and whinging on the West. And always Christianity is the go to crutch to lean on the west and the consensus is that we are the evil ones or at least the Anglo Saxon ones are the devil reincarnated (Not my problem). I think age restrictions on the internet was a good first step in correcting the consensus. More must be done to correct the consensus. Women must be incentivised to have children during their 20's and staying with their significant others preferably their husbands. Rather than using woman's best years for University and Tik Tok fame. The baby Bonus must be brought back and have one for the nation.

By making moves back to a one income household, limit immigration significantly so that domestic labour is encouraged, withdrawing women from the workforce and incentives for promoting the virtues of women. The one thing women are good at and the only thing men can't do is have babies. I don't know whose dumb idea it was to convince women that having children was evil but gentlemen the consensus must be corrected. Not with force and not with fear but with incentives. Y'know, I'm certain that there are plenty of people in Canberra that can correct the consensus better than I. I just fear that there isn't enough vigilance in the places that matter. But the greater the move back to a one income household, the greater incomes "Boom" which would be an historically accurate phenomenon.

Interesting though how resource hungry AI has become. It's such a sword of Damocles. If only DARPA was more open or at least less compartmentalised. The theory was that if university research funding was steered away from materials science and towards advanced theoretical physics or the study of nothing then it couldn't hurt anyone as it had done during The Manhattan project. But as it turns out nothing isn't nothing at all. With all the funding that's gone into the study of nothingness a surprise happened. AI's head popped out. Funny that. But still. Everywhere you look AI is a resource argument.

Instead of bitching about the optimal ways in which AI can delete humans we could have been having such a good time of it if only DARPA was more open in the lead up to the Ukraine war. But water under the bridge. I mean who in there right mind thought that Trump, Xi, Putin, Biden, Xi and Putin again, Obama, Xi and Putin again and George Bush Jnr. Who in there right mind thought that any of them had even half the intellect and skill of Alexander the Great. These guys are not at the beginning as Alexander the Great was. They are at the end. Information is hitting Trump at the speed of light and he is an elderly man. Y'know, we don't have to trust the elderly but we have to respect that.

I see it everyday, everywhere young men are. They lack discipline, responsibility and leadership and don't fucken laugh. Don't you dare. Over 70% of women under the age 21 years of age have an extreme dislike of all men whereas 70% of all men idealize all women the consensus must be corrected.

Y'know, no one in 1930 said oh no, Germany has the best science and commerce in the world we better learn our place. They didn't fuck around to find out they lifted heavy and practiced discipline.
 
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Ikimieli

Member
I do not know much about how things are in Australia or Asian Pacific, but i was browsing this thread for interest last night and some thought came to my mind, which some of them i have though earlier too.

There was a talk about the immigrants, and maybe not having enough babies. How i see things at least where i live, there seems to always be excess males and never excess females. Females are always in high demand and the value of males have plummetted seriously. Would it not be wise to only accept female immigrants, and not male immigrants at all. Which then would balance this issue and make males more valuable.

I suppose the right amount of females is something like 2/3 of population, and the right amount of males is something like 1/3 of the population to make the demand even and so, then there would not be that much excess males. Seems kind of absurd, but this seems to be how it goes in reality. There are always those males who have many women, and always those women who are satisfied to, and want to be with males with many females even they know about it. So it often goes so, that one male have multiple woman, and then multiple males have none. If there are 1/2 of females and 1/2 of males, it always ends in a result, where all females are taken, and there are still a lot of excess males who have none. Wont this affect the birth rate too, when there is lots of male potential that go to waste, because there is not enough females to be had. Its not like anyone is forcing the females. They will come to these decisions on their own. They do this themself and choose on free will to have mostly males, that also have other women at the same time. You might assume, that there would be couples. Male and Female who then make a family and take care of children together. But it rarely goes so. Even this kind of situations usually end up in divorce, and then the female takes the children and have new male, and many times the male is left without.

I suppose that the biology in humans have been somehow planned that many mens die, so that there is always less males than females. They do die in wars, in accidents and so on because men have more adrenaline and take more risks. And when other mens attack, its men who defend and die to protect the females because female value is seen as higher than male value. The females give birth, so they need to be protected. And if you run out of females, you are in serious trouble no matter how many males you have. To some extend, it seems to be genetic that females live longer, and males perish more bringing a natural end result, that there are more females than males. This might not go well to many people if you suggest to only take female immigrants. But it really would be nice, wouldnt it ?

Lets say each year you take this many immigrants, and every single one of them are young beautiful females, and suddenly your country would be full of foreign females ready to make babies with all those males who are left without. Taking in foreign males wont help. They just "take your jobs" as you mentioned and then "take your women" and usually so, that they do not only take one women, but many domestic females for one foreign male.

Taking foreign males in is not good if you think it like this. Better give those jobs to domestic males and then take only young, single foreign females in to make it more even, and hike up the male value so that more males can have females, resulting in more children. More males do not result in more children, but more females do. Female is valued higher than males, and is on protected status already. So why would you take less valued individuals, as in males, if you can take higher valued assets as in, females who can give birth ? They do give birth to males too if you need them.

And i think Australia is in good position geographically in this. You are close to many Asian nations with lots of beautiful and awesome females, who would be thrilled to move to Australia and be together with Australian males. In Europe too, Asian females are a big hit, and especially Thai Wifes are very popular for all kind of leftover males, who cannot have a domestic one. When African and Middle East men are very popular amongst European women, and usually reserve multiple women for one man so that they attack anyone, who try to approach one of their many females that they claim as their own. This seems to be common practice among Middle East and African males. Take new females endlessly, and then aim to keep every one they gain and never let go of any of those. And never take care of the children they produce. So why take this kind of males in your society ? Why not young beautiful females instead. Sounds good right ? Taking these males sounds bad and causes problems, right ? They are single males what they take. Not even families. But single males who establish a harem inside your country and attack everyone physically who tries to say anything about it, and then enforces their claim on those women physically. If you ask me, it is a very bad idea to take this kind of people and grant them citizenship. I would rather have an endless stream of beautiful and young foreign females, which will also affect the birth rate on positive way, when these males do not. There are always excess domestic males to be with women so they bring nothing basically. They are only there to lower the value of other males, when the male value is already very low like mentioned, making it even more imbalanced.

So if you think about it in cold logic, and weight the gains and losses. Why would you EVER take young single males in. And why would you not take mostly, or only young single females in ? The young single female is a high value commodity in itself regardless of any other indicators. The young single male is a disposable asset, which is not valuable in itself if they wont have other good qualities, like some rare expertise and those kind of people are not usually desperate to become immigrants. But are high valued assets, with good jobs and high salaries and not desparate men.

But this is really what they do. They take mostly the young single males in who have no valuable qualities or education at all. And young single females are rare as immigrants. Wonder why ?

They basically choose to take in bulk trash, what everyone have excess already. And somehow wont take in the rough diamond, which every young single female is even without any other qualities than being female. Its probably because old females make the decisions who will be taken, and there is no other reason than making the situation even more imbalanced, so that they can have young single males as their sex toys, even they are fat, 60 year old grumpy ladies with multiple divorces. Its for them basically. Its not about making babies, but acquiring sex toys for old females who are at the end of their cycle. And it wont help on bringing in more babies. They want to alter the market situation even further, that a 60 year old ugly and fat divorced woman is at the similar demand than muscular, young and capable male. This is why they do this.

If Russia and Ukraine continue on what they do. Soon this situation is corrected in there, and the lonely excess males will have easier time to find a lady because a lot of the male populace is dead or crippled in the war. It wont affect their birth rate, it only means that the excess males have an easier time to find a female now and the value of single males is up when most of them are dead and then many women are left grieving for their husband who died in the war. So become free again. But this can also be corrected by taking few million young single females in as immigrants, and none of the males.

Just imagine. Everywhere you go, there are young single immigrant females looking for a man. And its suddenly good to be male. Those grumby old woman wont like this at all, because their market value drops by a large margin and no one wants them anymore. But thats too bad. They wont birth more children either way.

So how about it. Lets make Australia the #1 female immigrant continent ?

In the next election vote, promise to bring in two million young single females and none of the males and look at them voting for you ?


Then there was this other issue i was thinking about. How realistic it would be, that Australia or New Zealand would want to form a military alliance, or then a similar system to be formed inside Asia Pacific, than Europe have in EU ?

And how good it would be, if those issues between China vs Taiwan, and North Korea vs South Korea could be finally settled, and a lasting peace would come in the pacific ? Maybe you could have an Asian Union, free movement, and then even China to join ? Friends, not enemies.

Even that would bring a lot of beautiful Females in Australia, if they would have free movement from other places.


Yes. I have solution for everything. You can just ask me!

You really want this. You do. But did anyone else say this out loud. No, they did not. But i did. And it is only a matter of arranging things. Those grumpy old women wont vote for you anyway, so what can you lose ?

And then promise security in Australia, new alliances and peace in the pacific. That, you cannot guarantee. But you can promise it either way.

And then promise half the energy price. That you can do and its easy by investing on other energy types than Fossil Fuel.

And while you are at it, promise a domestic supply industry chain for your industries and so, more jobs. No more sending your ore to China on being processed. Process your own! (and then substitute this trade with buying solar panels and windmills in from there to make good relations with them). Say that you are making the Australia a raw material, rare earth, tantalum, mining, and processing giant. And a critical supply hub for US and EU!

Domestic Energy. Domestic Industry Chain. Domestic Birth Rite, on the rise!
 
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SamB

Member
I do not know much about how things are in Australia or Asian Pacific, but i was browsing this thread for interest last night and some thought came to my mind, which some of them i have though earlier too.
The issue with female only immirgration is that it fails the reality test of how a functional society operates. Wait, do people here really think that grumpy ladies are making their own choices? To that matter, do people here think that OnlyFans models choose the life they live? No, it's worse than that. For too long, the leadership class has treated people like interchangeable units of GDP growth. The birth rate is biologically grounded; your solution is a fantasy. You don't fix a culture by importing diamonds to save leftover men. You fix it by making the men worth choosing again and demanding that the state stop treating its own citizens as disposable GDP units.
 

Ikimieli

Member
Well, i dont know. I personally like the idea of having more young females around me, who are single. And then being one of the few single males in that kind of environment. I can guarantee it leads to more babies too.

But yeah, sorry. Maybe off topic. But someone had this in their post among the other things.

Low birth rate is a serious problem many societies are having now. You do need women to give birth to have more children and more women means more potential mothers.

I suppose its also a military issue, when your population start to decline and continues to do so. Then you can start to wonder why it happens. And then why in some societies, it wont.

There also seems to be some kind of cultural problems in many societies, especially the richer ones. That somehow the young people have issues and hard time to find a partner. And then many who do, do not want children.

The solution in that post that was given i believe, was to give monetary gifts to lure them to make more children by giving them money. But i do wonder. This problem is evident on societies that have more money than the ones, who dont have this problem but have high birth rates. Its as if, the rich country females dont want to become mothers anymore. And then, you would be good to gain the mother for your children from somewhere else ?

You dont want more woman in Australia, i can understand that. At least not the way i suggested and it certainly might look bad for some. Even sexist. But its actually a very working solution. But those other topics seems to be fine. You want peace in pacific, and then better domestic industry and robust domestic electric network. And then a better security situation, where it would help, if US and EU will see you as a critical supplier of critical raw materials. A solid alternative for Chinese Supply Chain.

There was also mentioned, that it would need to be secured to have multiple suppliers of certain weapon types. I would suggest if possible, to seek domestic variants, and try to establish a strong domestic military industry. You have a large capacity and potential for raw material production. Maybe one of the best in the world. You could produce all the necessary raw material domestically, then process them domestically, and then produce military hardware that is needed domestically. A fully Australian Supply chain, from raw material to end product. There is no better supplier than that.

You could for example. Contact your European partners. UK for example. And ask to co operate on engineering domestic Australian weapon programs. I do believe they would be very interested if you throw in some kind of raw material deals for the future. You want to produce a domestic Cruise Missile ? Well, UK can help you with that. And they do need a reliable raw material supplier for the future. Which Australia seems like a perfect partner in this. Technology Transfer and Research Co operatoin for robust Raw Material deals. You have something that they want. And they have something that you want.

Especially Tantalum is one of the key materials. And you have wisely waited until Africa is depleting their stockpiles until you start to mine your own. In the future, your natural Tantalum reserves will be something that the EU, and US both will want. Especially for the military use. This also makes your domestic weapons cheap to produce, when you mine the raw material yourself, when US and especially EU will become your customers.

Africa for long time now, have sold their Tantalum too cheap. They have hard time of appreciating the true value of Tantalum. Its one of the most important raw materials that there are. In fact, even more important than many rare earths and not all places have it. For example, EU have next to none but will most certainly want it forever. It is also rarely recycled, so you will always need new supply and no one stockpiles it. Its as rare as gold, is a critical bottleneck material for example, in Shaped Charges having many other uses too. And no one have stockpiled it still. Australian stockpile is one of the largest in the world, and is currently waiting inside Australian soil, not yet to be mined even. If you can guarantee the supply of Tantalum for the long distant future. It will be much appreciated. And especially when Africa is depleting their resources, the price will jump 4 or 5 times higher that it is now, or even more so. And that is the time frame when you start to mine and sell it. It will be expensive, but it will be worth it. And you are going to make a lot of money selling it. So better negotiate good deals now, and then give you something you want now ?

Tungsten is very important too, but it is plentiful and places like Europe and North America have it. But Tantalum is rare. I do believe that Tantalum is a blind spot on raw materials. And Australia has one of the best positions in the world on Tantalum. This in itself, will make Australian security valuable for allies like US and EU. And cementing trade deals with them on raw materials, will only strengthen the importance.

You want to make your own fighter jets ? Its ok. We can arrange. Cruise Missiles. Fine. Well maybe not Fighter Jets, i dont know. But domestic production chain with patent. Sure. But i think Cruise Missile is ok, i think so.
 
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SamB

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Under AUKUS, the idea of an Australian Supply Chain is gaining traction. That's a resource for tech-swap.

Australia has its own resources, and instead of holding conflict at arm's reach, they have the will to send its young men into harm's way. thats the consensus correction. It would make Australia into a high-tech manufacturing hub.

It's a way safer bet being a trusted supplier, but that doesn't mean Australia cannot hedge its bets to the U.K. and U.S.
 

Ikimieli

Member
Yes, i know.

UK soldiers always say that the ANZAC were the best ones. They pulled out stunts that no one else can. Night time operations, operating behind enemy lines and things like that. Things that take a lot of courage and nerve. And then pull them out as larger units than others.

No one is doubting that.
 

SamB

Member
Yes, i know.

UK soldiers always say that the ANZAC were the best ones. They pulled out stunts that no one else can. Night time operations, operating behind enemy lines and things like that. Things that take a lot of courage and nerve. And then pull them out as larger units than others.

No one is doubting that.
It is my belief that Major General Terry de la Mesa Allen Sr introduced nightfighting to the U.S. Army.
 

Ikimieli

Member
"Another officer, Albert Schwartz, believed Allen was a master of instilling confidence in his organization, which extended to even the lowest private. He stated that Allen "would be up front with them, he'd be in regimental headquarters in a battle, go down to battalion HQ, sometimes would even get up to company HQ. Major generals aren't supposed to do that. They are supposed to be more valuable than us punk kids who were out there as cannon fodder.""
 

Bob53

Well-Known Member
Crimes I’ve missed some rambling comments since my last visit. I was hoping to read about Bushmaster orders and Hawkei upgrades but instead rambling about AI, Green house gases and immigration and values without actually making any point that I can follow.
 
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