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ADMk2

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JBRobbo said:
Seen several posts over the years suggesting we have selected the RAFAEL ‘Typhoon-Mk30C’ RCWS, but have yet to find any hard data confirming this. Only a speculative purchase worth ‘tens of millions’ by an ‘unknown Asian customer’ back in 22’. The most detailed article I could find suggested 4 likely customers, none of which was Australia. Was hoping one of you could enlighten me with greater detail, cheers.
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The news was a DTR Magazine exclusive in May 2022. Not sure why defence haven’t announced it, unless it is under review or perhaps tied into a common gun system for the Arafuras and still under consideration, but both BAE and Rafael confirmed it at the time.

You need a subscription (now free) to read about it, but that’s the link below:

 
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JBRobbo

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ADMk2 said:
The news was a DTR Magazine exclusive in May 2022. Not sure why defence haven’t announced it, unless it is under review or perhaps tied into a common gun system for the Arafuras and still under consideration, but both BAE and Rafael confirmed it at the time.

You need a subscription (now free) to read about it, but that’s the link below:

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Cheers dude, a coaxial pair of Australian manufactured Spike-LR2 or Mistral-3 on each mount would be a fantastic level of modular close-in defence, even if RAM-Blk2 in Mk49 GMLS and SeaRAM guises is or isn’t adopted.
 
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Morgo

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JBRobbo said:
Cheers dude, a coaxial pair of Australian manufactured Spike-LR2 or Mistral-3 on each mount would be a fantastic level of modular close-in defence, even if RAM-Blk2 in Mk49 GMLS and SeaRAM guises is or isn’t adopted.
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This may be a stupid question, but what impact would the extra weight have on the traverse rate? Could this be significant if trying to track a high subsonic / supersonic cruise missile? Or even a maneuvering drone?
 
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The gun was selected as the VSRSD weapon for the Hunters some time ago (the RN are using a different 30mm on their T26s). From what I remember that was publicly announced at the time, although I can’t find the release ATM. It is, however, shown in the Wikipedia entry on the ships - not usually considered an authoratative reference but correct in this case. Whether it ends up on other platforms remains to be seen, although there are obvious logistical advantages to standardising on it.
 
Todjaeger

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John Fedup said:
Doubt Japanese industry wants to do Mogami evolution 2.0 for the USN when it is likely going to be modified.
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Likely? Likely?! That is sort of like asking if water is wet.

One of the other things to consider is whether or not Japanese shipbuilding industry would want to setup a footprint within the US to do the work which would be required to adapt and then build a USN derivative of the Mogami-class.
 
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Todjaeger said:
Likely? Likely?! That is sort of like asking if water is wet.

One of the other things to consider is whether or not Japanese shipbuilding industry would want to setup a footprint within the US to do the work which would be required to adapt and then build a USN derivative of the Mogami-class.
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Could well be the case, Japan has seen S Korea's planned moves into the US. If not frigates then maybe some collaboration on the future large surface combatant ship.
 
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Reptilia

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spoz said:
In which case it better be 9,000 tons - not 6. You won’t get a Hunter or Hobart on a 6; and certainly not a Supply.
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Could also be a twin bardex 6,000ton shiplift setup(see pic below), similar(not as big) to what’s in this video with 2 shiplifts inside 1 graving dock giving you some flexibility with the size/transfer of vessels.

 

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ADMk2

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Maranoa said:
Wasn't it a contractor release? BAE Systems Australia?
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Don’t want to get too tin-foil hatted here, but there is not a strong political appetite to advertising any Israeli based systems or platforms the ADF are or (arguably worse) may be acquiring at present, so those sort of releases suddenly disappearing from the internet may not be such a surprise, despite “on the record” statements previously that such and such is so…

As one we definitely KNOW is proceeding is the SPIKE LR2 missile and initial deliveries to the ADF are known to have occurred, but when was the last time we saw any sort of media release about that project?
 
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Volkodav

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ADMk2 said:
Don’t want to get too tin-foil hatted here, but there is not a strong political appetite to advertising any Israeli based systems or platforms the ADF are or (arguably worse) may be acquiring at present, so those sort of releases suddenly disappearing from the internet may not be such a surprise, despite “on the record” statements previously that such and such is so…

As one we definitely KNOW is proceeding is the SPIKE LR2 missile and initial deliveries to the ADF are known to have occurred, but when was the last time we saw any sort of media release about that project?
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Don't poke the bear if you don't have to. So long as the capability is being delivered I'm happy.
 
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Sandson41

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Stampede said:
Any update as to how many Boxers (Turret version ) will actually be Spike capable.

Cheers S
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Australian Army Boxer CRV Anti-Tank Capability Reduced

"Under Project LAND 400 Phase 2, the previously planned number of Direct Fire High Survivability Lift (DFHSL) CRVs, able to be equipped with a two shot LR2 launcher has been reduced to 40 from a total fleet of 133 CRVs. The LR2 package forms part of the so-called Deployment Kit, a modular range of ‘add-ons’ such as air burst munition sensors and the LR2 launcher which can be added to vehicles at unit level prior to deployment or in-theatre based on operational requirements."

I was under the impression this was a fitted-for-but-not-with situation? If so, the answer is all, but not at the same time. Yes?
 
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Stampede

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Sandson41 said:
Australian Army Boxer CRV Anti-Tank Capability Reduced

"Under Project LAND 400 Phase 2, the previously planned number of Direct Fire High Survivability Lift (DFHSL) CRVs, able to be equipped with a two shot LR2 launcher has been reduced to 40 from a total fleet of 133 CRVs. The LR2 package forms part of the so-called Deployment Kit, a modular range of ‘add-ons’ such as air burst munition sensors and the LR2 launcher which can be added to vehicles at unit level prior to deployment or in-theatre based on operational requirements."

I was under the impression this was a fitted-for-but-not-with situation? If so, the answer is all, but not at the same time. Yes?
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Ok potentially all, but still the reduced number.

I would envisage the LR2 launcher itself is not that expensive.
Missiles yes. Launch surely not!

Are we that desperate for coin?

Cheers S
 
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JBRobbo

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Morgo said:
This may be a stupid question, but what impact would the extra weight have on the traverse rate? Could this be significant if trying to track a high subsonic / supersonic cruise missile? Or even a maneuvering drone?
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RAFAEL showcases Enhanced TYPHOON C-UAS and 6th Gen. Naval SPIKE NLOS at NAVDEX 2023 - Naval News

Rafael showcases the new capabilities of its TYPHOON C-UAS and 6th Generation Naval SPIKE NLOS missile at the NAVDEX 2023 exhibition.
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Obviously it would have an impact, but RAFAEL don’t seem too concerned. Doesn’t specifically say what type of missile is in the 4-pack coaxial launcher on display though.
 
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