Middle East Defence & Security

Feanor

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Russia augment existing Mig-29 in IRAF fleet as stop gap until Su-35 come. Also Chinese HQ-9 and Russia S-400 are on the way. The latter one more on Iran claim. However it is certainly shown Iran rebuilding it's Air Defense.
That MiG-29 announcement raises some questions. Are they MiG-29M/M2 or are they old MiG-29S/A/B from Russian inventory? The latter would be easier to operate since Iran already has some old MiG-29s. But they wouldn't be very useful. The former would be a substantial improvement, but then why is it a stopgap measure. The MiG-29M production line exists and is basically not being used, so it would make sense that Russia could deliver the type easier then Su-35S which they use themselves very actively.
 

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Big Z, we are at the point where the discussion has no benefit to continue. You say I should go beyond the article, then say everything is in the article. You say Halevi, chief of general staff until a few months ago, simply quotes Hamas numbers, that are fake. It’s mostly Palestinians that kill each other. Israel does nothing wrong. You are talking about me believing fairytales and wanting to stub a Jew (and yet, I am the one discrediting myself!). For whatever reason, you think I watch televised news, along with many other weird assumptions. You constantly say I don’t know things and don’t understand something. And so on. What’s the point? There is none.

Important to note, when you think most of everyone is antisemite, it might be time to self reflect and look in the mirror. As in if you think the problem is everyone else and not you, you should look in the mirror and give things a thought. Of course, another option is to keep advising others to educate themselves instead.
 

Big_Zucchini

Well-Known Member
Big Z, we are at the point where the discussion has no benefit to continue. You say I should go beyond the article, then say everything is in the article. You say Halevi, chief of general staff until a few months ago, simply quotes Hamas numbers, that are fake. It’s mostly Palestinians that kill each other. Israel does nothing wrong. You are talking about me believing fairytales and wanting to stub a Jew (and yet, I am the one discrediting myself!). For whatever reason, you think I watch televised news, along with many other weird assumptions. You constantly say I don’t know things and don’t understand something. And so on. What’s the point? There is none.

Important to note, when you think most of everyone is antisemite, it might be time to self reflect and look in the mirror. As in if you think the problem is everyone else and not you, you should look in the mirror and give things a thought. Of course, another option is to keep advising others to educate themselves instead.
What are my options when debating someone who makes no effort to correct their false assumptions? I believe I am being sufficiently polite, and thoughtful in writing these long form comments even though going through the routine Israeli grilling routine for years and years.

I can teach to prefer primary sources and analysis over partisan secondary and tertiary sources. I cannot force anyone to accept that.
 

Redshift

Active Member
What's white ? Is this the external skin complexion ? Is this more cultural ? Cause Persian like Northern Indian, Afghanis, Pakistanis are belong to Aryan group. Let's remember whose in 30's that talk pure Aryan blood as supreme white race. As Aryan, they are not delusional call them selves white.

Remember not long ago and even now there are those that still believe Slavic is not Euro whites but mongrel race. So who is White ? The Aryan ? Persian actually can call themselves more Aryan then those in Western Euro from certain anthropological perspective.




Will China going to become their main supplier? China and Russia perhaps not too care on US and Euro concern at this moment, but they do have concern with what Rich Gulf kingdoms have to say.
Aryan (outside of Nazi ideology ) pertains to those speaking a proto Indo/European/Iranian language, the idea is that all of these modern days languages have a common ancestry it doesn't really denote anything to do with physical characteristics .

Thus none who speaks any of the above can be more or less Aryan than than anyone else in the above language group.

As far as I am aware only Nazis tried to add a physical description of the so called Aryan peoples and funnily enough Hitler himself possessed none of those physical attributes.

adjective
1.
dated
relating to or denoting peoples speaking Indo-European (or specifically Indo-Iranian) languages, or ancient peoples thought to have spoken Proto-Indo-European, the hypothetical language from which Indo-European languages are believed to derive.
"the Aryan invasion theory is much debated"
2.
(in Nazi ideology) of or denoting white non-Jewish people, especially those of northern European origin or descent typically having blonde hair and bluue eyes and regarded as a supposedly superior racial group.
"Adolf Hitler's myth of Aryan supremacy"
noun
1.
dated
a member of a people speaking an Indo-European (or specifically Indo-Iranian) language, or of an ancient people thought to have spoken the hypothetical proto-Indo-European language.
"the place of origin of the Aryans has been variously sought in Europe and Asia"
2.
(in Nazi ideology) a white non-Jewish person, especially one of northern European origin or descent typically having blonde hair and blue eyes and regarded as belonging to a supposedly superior racial group.
"he looked the image of the ideal Aryan: tall, with Nordic blonde hair"
 
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