Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates 2.0

AndyinOz

Member
Release from the Ministers Office https://www.minister.defence.gov.au/media-releases/2025-08-04/adf-recruitment-surge-biggest-15-years points to note for me are the apparent drop in separations to 7.9%, which is below the 10year average as well as the 75,000 application which apparently are the highest in 5years as well as the 7,059 permanent full-time personnel increase being the highest intake since the 2009-10 period. From some of the commentary I have seen online so far the ADF is saying welcome to the TikTok generation with that platform apparently being leveraged with adverts and such.
 

hauritz

Well-Known Member
I have my doubts about the U.S LOSVs too.
6 GPF built overseas + 6-8 built here sounds reasonable if they cancel the LOSV build of 6.

Or we could see Australia join the LUSV program the Japanese have going on.


Naval News (2m30 in)

The DSR took a simplistic view of this capability. They seemed to be thinking of just an optionally crewed missile barge instead of the family of systems that would actually be required.

I don’t think Australia will be abandoning the idea of autonomous vessels. Far from it in fact. What they will probably have to consider is a larger mix of vessels.

In Australia’s case it could turn into a project much larger and more complex than what was alluded to in the DSR.

 

Reptilia

Well-Known Member
The LCM concept always struck me as not one thing or the other.
Too small to carry a meaningful payload.
Load weight or lane meters.
Too big for a true riverine asset
Too short ranged for our needs
Coastal or OS

The LCM with a slight increase in size up to the French offering ticks the box

Cheers S
Yup, by the numbers (if true)

55mx10.5m vs 70mx10.6m
2,800nm vs 2150nm
+14knts vs 16knts top speed
90-100 ton max load vs 200 ton max load
26 crew vs 18 crew
72 troops vs 260 troops
6 20ft TEU containers vs 12
namjet waterjet vs prop driven

1 M1A2 vs 2
2 Redback or Boxer vs 4
4 HIMARS or Bushmaster vs 8+
not only that but the French vessel could potentially carry the typhon missile system?


Where the French craft may fail…

‘They’re not specifying the size of the vessel although maximum draft is set at 1.6 metres and there’s an air draft limitation of six metres so the vessel can pass under a traffic bridge to reach the Ross Island barracks in Townsville.”

Maybe move the barracks forward of the bridge…

 
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seaspear

Well-Known Member
Slightly off topic but originally the Hobart class were designed to incorporate various functions that would enable it to operate in cold weather in Australia's southern regions
Should such ability be considered for new frigates?
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Worse comes to worse, if LOSV is a no starter, build more GPFs.

A big plus with the Mogami is small crew plus extra accommodation means they can carry more trainees.
The issue I see with the LOSV is that because the RAN plan on operating them with crew, they need to have some minimal sort of defensive capability.

At that point you basically end up with a frigate?
 

Reptilia

Well-Known Member
An Upgraded Mogami delivered in

2028(2nd of the 2 built from 2025)
2029(1 of the 3 built from 2026)
2030(1 of the 3 built from 2027)

Really the fastest timeline we could hope for -would be an awesome outcome.
 

Richo99

Active Member
The issue I see with the LOSV is that because the RAN plan on operating them with crew, they need to have some minimal sort of defensive capability.

At that point you basically end up with a frigate?
I've never quite understood the current proposal. You build 6 (not many), most proposals appear to have 16 missile cells (not many), and they prob have to sail with a tier1 conbatant (not independant).... why not just put 16 extra cells on each Hunter? On an amost 10000t ship, there appears to be plenty of space to go from an assumed 32 to 48 cells...
 

SammyC

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Volks, I think you're right. LOSV seems to be in the too hard basket and more GPFs seem to be the best option, if there's the political will.
I kind of see the LOCSV as a rapidly evolving subject, and as a result it is scheduled for the back end of the building program late in the 2030's to provide it time to mature.

I would suspect the final platform that gets built would have little alignment with what is on the drawing board or in prototyping at the moment.

We might not even go with the USN program, we might flip to the Japanese one. Or a European option. It might be a couple of different types. Agree more GPFs might be the gap filler if the technology is not ready.

When we do eventually get them there will be more than six. This is the kind of thing where you have dozens as a mini swarm, perhaps $10-20M per vessel. Imagine 10 boats with 8 missiles a piece, 5 fitted with an ISR package and another 5 carrying a variable dept sonar sailing as part of a surface action group with a GPF or Hunter. Or even an Arafura.

I personally have the view that the optionally crewed concept is a dead duck and will be passed over very quickly. I think we will see viable fully automated solutions in the next couple of years. Then its just a matter of getting the cost down.

The real question will be whether they are slaved to the crewed platform or have the ability to operate independently as a hive mind, where the sensor ships provide the firing solution. While we have a current aversion to autonomous lethality, I think this will change as the technology advances and trained people become rarer.

Absolutely on the out is the exquisite and expensive platform, which is what the Government was originally thinking of with the LOCSV.

It's interesting to see that the Americans have gone away from fitted Mk41 VLS based vessels, to the bolted on Mk70 and adaptable surface launchers. That's a much better concept, and allows for simple flat tray style vessels.
 
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