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old faithful

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I'm done discussing this.
They were only hiring females in that role at that time.
It's a moot point if they were better candidates or not, they did not meet the criteria, that criteria being that they were recruiting females.
As for Zac Rolfe? Wtf?!
Are referring to the kumajai walker case?
If so you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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jeffb

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Were we ever having a true discussion?

I'd love to see some links to this time period where the Army was only recruiting only female infanteers. Not pulling this piss, genuinely interested.

In the meantime, for anyone else reading, there are potentially some other causes for someone to be turned away for seemingly no reason. The recruit course is a pipeline to IETs, if there are no spots at IETs then yes people might be turned away. If they are only interested in that one ECN and not the ADF in general then tough luck. Usually someone that is only interested in one role and nothing else is going to flag some other issues during the recruitment process.

If females are enlisting as general combat they can be sent in different directions if after getting to Kapooka they still want to pursue that path, lets be honest most don't and fill other positions.

I think there were regional quotas for each ECN in the past? Not sure if that's still a thing?
 

seaspear

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Is there a need for more recruitment from reserves to full time A.D.F ? Would sign up bonuses assist? certainly a recruitment drive for the reserves may assist in bringing in skills that would be of use for those that did not want to commit to full time at first?
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
Would speeding up the recruitment process and enlarging the training pipeline be beneficial? Even if there is increased wastage during the training phase?

If you end up with too many people at the end of the pipeline, offer people an early exit as long as they agree to a reserve commitment of equal duration to the remainder of their full time contract.

Given the uncertain world we live in, would that be beneficial or just cause more problems?
 

Anthony_B_78

Active Member
Would speeding up the recruitment process and enlarging the training pipeline be beneficial? Even if there is increased wastage during the training phase?

If you end up with too many people at the end of the pipeline, offer people an early exit as long as they agree to a reserve commitment of equal duration to the remainder of their full time contract.

Given the uncertain world we live in, would that be beneficial or just cause more problems?
It would cost more, but is absolutely what we should do.
 

Volkodav

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There is a general conflation between DEI and affirmative measures. Many people think DEI is affirmative measures, it's not.

Affirmative measures is advancing certain people over others, it is quotas for targetted groups, it is modifying standards etc.

DEI is fairness and justice, opening up previously closed elitist (not elite) groups to previously excluded diverse individuals who are good enough.
 

Maranoa

Active Member
There is a general conflation between DEI and affirmative measures. Many people think DEI is affirmative measures, it's not.

Affirmative measures is advancing certain people over others, it is quotas for targetted groups, it is modifying standards etc.

DEI is fairness and justice, opening up previously closed elitist (not elite) groups to previously excluded diverse individuals who are good enough.
DEI is absolutely about advancing favoured 'groups' over others. That is its raison d'etre.
 

MARKMILES77

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Not sure of the exact role of these?
To aid targeting of the surface launched Anti-ship missile capability coming?
To detect incoming fire and help targeting by HIMARs in retaliation?
To detect aircraft and drones/UAVs?
All of the above?





Investing in Australian-made radars to support Army’s long-range fires capability




12 February 2025
The Albanese Government is investing an additional $272 million to support local defence industry and Australian jobs, through the procurement of up to 14 multi-mission phased array radars (MMPARs) for the Australian Army.
Canberra-based CEA Technologies will produce the phased array radars, which will support Army’s long-range fires capability and provide greater monitoring of potential threats, across an integrated, focused Defence Force.
This investment by the Albanese Government is another example of our commitment to building a defence future made in Australia and will sustain over 700 local jobs in Canberra and across the country.
Once built, the radars will be based at the Edinburgh Defence precinct in South Australia as part of the 10th Fires Brigade.

 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
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Not sure of the exact role of these?
To aid targeting of the surface launched Anti-ship missile capability coming?
To detect incoming fire and help targeting by HIMARs in retaliation?
To detect aircraft and drones/UAVs?
All of the above?








Weapons locating radar, now also including C-RAM and C-UAS tracking.

Functionally equivalent to AN/TPS-80 GATOR radar systems.
 
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Volkodav

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DEI is absolutely about advancing favoured 'groups' over others. That is its raison d'etre.
Nope, not at all.

It's about opening up things that were previously exclusive to a greater range of people.

What many people think is DEI is actually affirmative action and quotas, they are different things.

If you want to get rid of DEI you can also ban glasses, contact lenses, hearing aids, elevators, automatic doors, ergonomic chairs, I could go on.

Basically, DEI is arguably anything that makes life easier and more inclusive. Maybe only male land owners should have the vote.
 

old faithful

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Nope, not at all.

It's about opening up things that were previously exclusive to a greater range of people.

What many people think is DEI is actually affirmative action and quotas, they are different things.

If you want to get rid of DEI you can also ban glasses, contact lenses, hearing aids, elevators, automatic doors, ergonomic chairs, I could go on.

Basically, DEI is arguably anything that makes life easier and more inclusive. Maybe only male land owners should have the vote.
Of course you are correct.
However, when it is abused, it leads to tokenism, which leads to resentment. I am all about equal opportunity, which means the best candidate for the job, regardless of race, age, sexuality, gender etc.
By abused, I mean when a quota system is put in place, where a certain percentage of a group must be hired, even if better candidates are available.
An example might be, There are certain "mission" critical people of certain ethnic groups that may need to be employed for various reason, in that case, the best candidate of that group needs to get the job.
 

Volkodav

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Of course you are correct.
However, when it is abused, it leads to tokenism, which leads to resentment. I am all about equal opportunity, which means the best candidate for the job, regardless of race, age, sexuality, gender etc.
By abused, I mean when a quota system is put in place, where a certain percentage of a group must be hired, even if better candidates are available.
An example might be, There are certain "mission" critical people of certain ethnic groups that may need to be employed for various reason, in that case, the best candidate of that group needs to get the job.
I agree.

One of the biggest issues is actually the abuse of "merit". What is referred to as a "meritocracy", which is what we are meant to have, is actually a "mediocracy". You would be familiar with the term "fit"?

Basically in most areas psychometric testing is no longer used, nor are boards or panels, or basically anything that can sort the wheat from the chaff, it's all down to who the interviewers like the most in the twenty minute interview. Promotion is based on who management chooses to lift above others.

It usually isn't the best candidate, the most qualified or most capable, it's who they like the most out of those who meet the minimum requirements.

The statistics are quite interesting, people who are considered high flyers, go getters, management material, are usually in the upper level, but not the top of normal, i.e. an IQ of 105 to 110, but not 115. So a manager is interviewing a candidate who is much smarter than that, do you think they will hire them? Sadly, the truth is no, many managers only hire smart people for very specific roles where the person is no threat to them, or not at all.

One thing the average mediocre manager hates more than a smarter, more talented person who looks like them, is a smarter more talented person who doesn't look like them.
 

MARKMILES77

Well-Known Member
Interesting paragraph in the Feb-March 25 edition of APDR.
May explain why the ADF is not currently proceeding with the longer range SAM system which was planned.
There were hints in a Senate hearing on GBAD, that there were likely future developments which would potentially be the most suitable option for Australia for a long range air defence system.. A long range NASAMs missile might be what they were referring to.
Wonder what missile they might be thinking of inergrating? SM6? Aster 30 Block1NT or Block2? Patriot? Or something else?

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seaspear

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With regards to the Trophy system this article states it has been upgraded to defeat vertical attacks from jet powered drones as part of a layered defence and another program to incorporate on lighter vehicles including i.f.v.s(Redback) I'm not sure if the Huntsman will be a candidate for this program certainly the war in Ukraine suggests a need
 

ADMk2

Just a bloke
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Interesting paragraph in the Feb-March 25 edition of APDR.
May explain why the ADF is not currently proceeding with the longer range SAM system which was planned.
There were hints in a Senate hearing on GBAD, that there were likely future developments which would potentially be the most suitable option for Australia for a long range air defence system.. A long range NASAMs missile might be what they were referring to.
Wonder what missile they might be thinking of inergrating? SM6? Aster 30 Block1NT or Block2? Patriot? Or something else?

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RTX will be pitching SkyCeptor for this requirement.

David's Sling System and SkyCeptor Missile
 

Bob53

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300 - 1000 km according to Congressional Research. Which feels about right.

So: Scud, Iskander, DF-11 and DF-15 are all examples.
So if Australia was to go with skyceptor it would be used to defeat missiles fired at us from less than 1000kms away? Is that likely to be an issue for us? Who has ballistic missiles with that range of Australia? Serious question…what if the missile is fired from 3000km away. Is skyceptor then useless?
 
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Armchair

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So if Australia was to go with skyceptor it would be used to defeat missiles fired at us from less than 1000kms away? Is that likely to be an issue for us? Serious question…what if the missile is fired from 300km away. Is skyceptor then useless?
Some of the public documentation seems to have dropped away but as I understand the requirement is chiefly about protecting expeditionary assets. Look at the places where the RAAF and Army participates in exercises then draw a 1000km circle around those islands (and bear in mind there are air launched and sea launched ballistic missiles).

the 300 km figure is the maximum range of a ballistic missile that the Congressional research classes as short range. The minimum range of those systems is less than that.

As David’s Sling was used successfully by Israel to defend against ballistic missile strikes from Lebanon one would assume it has a minimum engagement range that is closer to 30km than 300km. (I couldn’t see a source worth posting though).
 
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