The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor

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Reports on NK casualties in Kursk.

Ukrainian drone hunting

Some close in tank fighting
Hi Bob53, please don't post multiple posts in a row unnecessarily, especially when each post is just a one-liner with a link to an article. And in general when providing links to an article, the expectation is that members provide some of their own input as to why the material is relevant or interesting. You don't have to write a paragraph for each post, but 5 words and a link don't constitute a quality contribution. Moving forward please make an effort to provide input with your links.
 

Fredled

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Hi: Just a short come back today. I still didn't have time to fully read Feanor's last report. Maybe I will comment on it later.
Here are the interesting tidbits I found in the last week. Sorry if some of them were already mentioned when I was absent.

Russian strike on Poltava:
Russian strike on Poltava kills 11
Russia is causing civilian death daily. But 11 is high number.
Interrestingly, a magnitude 3.7 earthquake was reported in the same town the next day. Probably a coincidence because I don't think that conventional explosions can cause earthquakes. Sometimes sismic waves can be recorded at the time of the explosion. Here they were recorded the next day.

Defence Lines:
Here is a picture of the Pokrovsk's defence lines taken from one of Heinrich Torsten's video. We can see that, this time, Ukrainians can't be blamed anymore for neglecting the trenches.
Further south, bike assaults are being stopped with barbed wire.
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Czech Initiative:
Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky said:
in 2024, thanks to the Czech initiative, 1.5 million rounds were delivered to Ukraine, about a third of them 155 mm ones.
link (Ukrinform)
original link (in German)
Last year, there were many disapointment and criticism about the half-failure of the Czech Initiative. After all, it was not so bad. Initialy, it was about finding 800K 155 shells but no figure about other shells. They recieved 500K 155 shells and one million of smaller calibre.
For the first time, Ukrainian are firing more artillery shells than Russians.

Deep Strikes:
Ukrainians repeat strikes on oil refineries and other targets deep inside Russia every night. I saw that Feanor reported about this topic, so I'm not going to post duplicates, but this one is interesting:
Telegram channel Astra said:
more than 20 drones hit an ammunition depot belonging to the 23rd Missile and Artillery Arsenal of the Russian Defense Ministry, as well as an adjacent military unit in Oktyabrskoye, Toropets municipal district.

Although no ammunition was stored at the site at the time, the warehouse sustained damage, along with three buildings of the military unit.
Link (Ukrinform)
Ukrainian were not lucky: They stroke an empty ammunition depot. IMO, there are two interpretations:
1/ Russians started to move their ammunitions to unknown and various locations to avoid the repeat of the massive destruction which happened earlier and Ukrainians had no information about this.
2/ Russians are running out of ammunition and this explains why the hangars were empty. This is also logical because Russians have been importing shells, and now rockets, from North Korea in large amounts.

Trump Peace Plan:
The United States wants Ukraine to hold elections, potentially by the end of the year, especially if Kyiv can agree a truce with Russia in the coming months (Reuters)
There is a lot of talk about pressuring "both" (Russia and Ukraine) into agreeing to talk. This is unrealistic but Trump is able to understand a situation and change his mind for serious things.
This demand, or suggestion, from the US that Ukraine should hold election is weird. It's clear that organising polls and election campaign now is materially impossible in Ukraine. Maybe it's a message to the Russians that the US is able to agree with them on some points, or it's purely naive, I don't know.

Personally, I'm not sure that the US can have much leverage on Russia other than sending more weapons to Ukraine or that Putin would change his mind no matter what he does. I don't think that Ukraine will capitulate as soon as the US stops military shipments if Europe still helps as much as they do now.

It's said that Putin respects the US for their military might and doesn't care about what European say or do. At the same time the Russian leadership starts to understand that Europe is doing more militarily in Ukraine than the US. That decisions to allow deep strikes came from Europe. So far Putin thought that all the strings were pulled by the US exclusively, everywhere, all the time. That everybody in western and eastern Europe were the puppets of the USA. It's possible that they slowly change their perception.
 
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Bob53

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Hi Bob53, please don't post multiple posts in a row unnecessarily, especially when each post is just a one-liner with a link to an article. And in general when providing links to an article, the expectation is that members provide some of their own input as to why the material is relevant or interesting. You don't have to write a paragraph for each post, but 5 words and a link don't constitute a quality contribution. Moving forward please make an effort to provide input with your links.
Will do.
 

Bob53

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Hi: Just a short come back today. I still didn't have time to fully read Feanor's last report. Maybe I will comment on it later.
Here are the interesting tidbits I found in the last week. Sorry if some of them were already mentioned when I was absent.

Russian strike on Poltava:
Russian strike on Poltava kills 11
Russia is causing civilian death daily. But 11 is high number.
Interrestingly, a magnitude 3.7 earthquake was reported in the same town the next day. Probably a coincidence because I don't think that conventional explosions can cause earthquakes. Sometimes sismic waves can be recorded at the time of the explosion. Here they were recorded the next day.

Defence Lines:
Here is a picture of the Pokrovsk's defence lines taken from one of Heinrich Torsten's video. We can see that, this time, Ukrainians can't be blamed anymore for neglecting the trenches.
Further south, bike assaults are being stopped with barbed wire.
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Czech Initiative:
link (Ukrinform)
original link (in German)
Last year, there were many disapointment and criticism about the half-failure of the Czech Initiative. After all, it was not so bad. Initialy, it was about finding 800K 155 shells but no figure about other shells. They recieved 500K 155 shells and one million of smaller calibre.
For the first time, Ukrainian are firing more artillery shells than Russians.

Deep Strikes:
Ukrainians repeat strikes on oil refineries and other targets deep inside Russia every night. I saw that Feanor reported about this topic, so I'm not going to post duplicates, but this one is interesting:

Link (Ukrinform)
Ukrainian were not lucky: They stroke an empty ammunition depot. IMO, there are two interpretations:
1/ Russians started to move their ammunitions to unknown and various locations to avoid the repeat of the massive destruction which happened earlier and Ukrainians had no information about this.
2/ Russians are running out of ammunition and this explains why the hangars were empty. This is also logical because Russians have been importing shells, and now rockets, from North Korea in large amounts.

Trump Peace Plan:
The United States wants Ukraine to hold elections, potentially by the end of the year, especially if Kyiv can agree a truce with Russia in the coming months (Reuters)
There is a lot of talk about pressuring "both" (Russia and Ukraine) into agreeing to talk. This is unrealistic but Trump is able to understand a situation and change his mind for serious things.
This demand, or suggestion, from the US that Ukraine should hold election is weird. It's clear that organising polls and election campaign now is materially impossible in Ukraine. Maybe it's a message to the Russians that the US is able to agree with them on some points, or it's purely naive, I don't know.

Personally, I'm not sure that the US can have much leverage on Russia other than sending more weapons to Ukraine or that Putin would change his mind no matter what he does. I don't think that Ukraine will capitulate as soon as the US stops military shipments if Europe still helps as much as they do now.

It's said that Putin respects the US for their military might and doesn't care about what European say or do. At the same time the Russian leadership starts to understand that Europe is doing more militarily in Ukraine than the US. That decisions to allow deep strikes came from Europe. So far Putin thought that all the strings were pulled by the US exclusively, everywhere, all the time. That everybody in western and eastern Europe were the puppets of the USA. It's possible that they slowly change their perception.
Why elections….in that part of the world they are prone to massive interference and manipulatio. I hope it’s not a tactic to try and put a more russia friendly government in. For all his shortfalls Zelensky has taken the fight to Putin. I will never forget he Refused to take a ride and not taken a step backwards despite significant advantages for the Russian forces.
 

Bob53

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Observing from the safety of Australia I have been watching news over the past year the Ukraine strikes upon Russian Oil and Gas facilities. When will it have a serious impact?

Targeting Russian oil and gas facilities has been going on for around two years, but this month’s raids marked a significant escalation. The Kstovo plant alone refined 13,000,000 million barrels of oil a year, roughly 5% of Russia’s total refinery output. Strikes on several other refineries this month may have depressed Russian petroleum product production by more than a tenth."

my question is the Russian economy feeling the effects of these strikes? If it was Australia the place would come to a standstill.


Ukrainian Drones Flew 500 Miles And, In A Single Strike, Damaged 5% Of Russia’s Oil Refining Capacity
 

Feanor

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Observing from the safety of Australia I have been watching news over the past year the Ukraine strikes upon Russian Oil and Gas facilities. When will it have a serious impact?

Targeting Russian oil and gas facilities has been going on for around two years, but this month’s raids marked a significant escalation. The Kstovo plant alone refined 13,000,000 million barrels of oil a year, roughly 5% of Russia’s total refinery output. Strikes on several other refineries this month may have depressed Russian petroleum product production by more than a tenth."

my question is the Russian economy feeling the effects of these strikes? If it was Australia the place would come to a standstill.


Ukrainian Drones Flew 500 Miles And, In A Single Strike, Damaged 5% Of Russia’s Oil Refining Capacity
It takes a lot of payload to destroy oil refineries. Look at the amounts dumped on Nazi German industrial facilities during WWII and the impact it had on output. Russia is taking a tiny fraction of that damage, and isn't nearly as isolated from trading partners. It's going to take a lot more then what Ukraine has done so far. I'm not saying it's impossible, but you shouldn't expect immediate dramatic results, rather a slow effort that Ukraine will have to ramp up over time.
 

swerve

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WW2 bombing was far less accurate. In 1942 most bombs dropped by the RAF at night missed by more than 3 miles. The Ukrainians seem to be doing rather better than that.

RAF Bomber Command improved its accuracy, but even so, I think Ukrainian air attacks are probably enormously more effective in proportion to effort.
 

Fredled

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Observing from the safety of Australia I have been watching news over the past year the Ukraine strikes upon Russian Oil and Gas facilities. When will it have a serious impact?
If you look at the size of a big refinery, you will understand that it would take dozens of missiles to destroy it even partially, and about one hundred to destroy it completely. Ukraine drones destroy some parts of the installation. This disrupt the production for a few days or weeks, sometimes months, but not in the entire facility. Other units are still working.
You will also note that they target fuel tanks because they are easy to hit and produce huge visible effects, but they never destroy all of them. At en Engels air base, they destroyed 4 tanks while 16 were still usable. It would take another three or four strikes of the same size to destroy all of them and cripple bomber refuelling.

One year ago, some reports showed that strikes on oil facilities caused a 10% rise of gasoline and other fuels. I'm not sure if it's true because the war in Ukraine alone would cause such a rise. At this time, it was clear that it started to have an impact, thought 10% seems a lot to me but possible.
Now since attacks have been more intensive and if the trend continues, the economic impact could be more important, yet not enough to cripple the economy or the war machine.

If Ukraine can use more of their jet propelled drones (or mini cruise missiles), they will have an impact. The problem is the quantity. If they can produce several thousands, then, they are on to something. If they ave only a few dozen, then it will be just a few strikes and then nothing.

Ukrainian mini cruise missiles are not that accurate. The cheapest version ($1800/pcs bulk price), the Trembita is WWII German V2 ersatz.

There is also a video on the same page
, which speaks volumes about the level of technology advancement deployed there, LOL.

The Palienitsiya is more serious a missile. But the size of jet engine on the the back of the Peklo, yet another one, makes me sceptical.
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Link
 

Feanor

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WW2 bombing was far less accurate. In 1942 most bombs dropped by the RAF at night missed by more than 3 miles. The Ukrainians seem to be doing rather better than that.

RAF Bomber Command improved its accuracy, but even so, I think Ukrainian air attacks are probably enormously more effective in proportion to effort.
True but the disparity in payload is extremely large. So even with the improved accuracy the damage is still not enough to cause drastic and immediate impact. Ukraine has ramped up attacks recently, and it's a logical way to go, to try and force Russia to seek peace. But it will be some time before this has the kind of effect they're looking for, and they're probably going to have to ramp up the effort even more.

If you look at the size of a big refinery, you will understand that it would take dozens of missiles to destroy it even partially, and about one hundred to destroy it completely. Ukraine drones destroy some parts of the installation. This disrupt the production for a few days or weeks, sometimes months, but not in the entire facility. Other units are still working.
You will also note that they target fuel tanks because they are easy to hit and produce huge visible effects, but they never destroy all of them. At en Engels air base, they destroyed 4 tanks while 16 were still usable. It would take another three or four strikes of the same size to destroy all of them and cripple bomber refuelling.
In my opinion destroying fuel tanks is one of the least effective approaches in Ukraine's strike campaign. They're relatively easy to manufacture, and Russia very much has a manufacturing base. Strikes against things that are harder to rebuild and rely on imported supplies are probably the most important to hit. Strikes against military facilities can be good too but you risk getting everything shot down.

If Ukraine can use more of their jet propelled drones (or mini cruise missiles), they will have an impact. The problem is the quantity. If they can produce several thousands, then, they are on to something. If they ave only a few dozen, then it will be just a few strikes and then nothing.
This is my impression as well. Except maybe more like tens of thousands. Ukraine is smaller then Russia and all of it is in Russian drone reach, and Russia has launched thousands of Shahed drones, and thousands of missiles, at targets in Ukraine, yet Ukraine has survived. Missiles are more destructive then drones, with much larger payload. So to really cripple Russia would probably take more then what has so far not quite crippled Ukraine.
 

Feanor

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Update.

So the Russian War Reports did their own math, and claim Russia has taken just over 400 kms in January. This is a little above my estimate, but to be fair I didn't really do the math, and the last ~3 days of January saw some of the larger advances for the month. Overall this is still a reduction from the 500-600 kms per month but not as significant as I thought. Deep State, a Ukrainian source, puts the number at 325 kms, though their math for other months is also not in line with neutral sources like suriyakmaps. Also it's still larger than I estimated, leading me to doubt my estimates. If the truth is somewhere in the middle, the real number might be around ~350-370kms.


Kursk area.

Russian forces have taken a number of positions around Guevo near the Psel river.


Russian drone finished off a Ukrainian BMP-1.


Russian drone taps a CR-2 on the turret, right by the EW atenna.


Russian National Guard drone hits apparently a Ukrainian T-72, Kursk region. The fate of the vehicle is unclear, the strike is from the front though it does aim for the turret ring.


A series of wire-guided drone strikes, Kursk region. They hit an Oshkosh M-ATV, a M109 SP howitzer, light vehicles, and a brand new Poseidon H10 UAV.


A Ukrainian pickup in Kursk region gets hit, then double-tapped.


A series of Russian drone strikes on Ukrainian vehicles in Sumy region and a MAN HX81 in Kursk region. As the Ukrainian salient gets narrower, Russia can reach the MSR into Sudzha easier and this is going to become an increasing problem for Ukraine.


Russian drone strike on a vehicle in Pisarevka, Sumy region, 13kms behind the lines.


Russian Shahed strike on a fuel storage facility 16 kms south of Sumy.


Russian sources are constitently claiming a Ukrainian HIMARS strike hit a building in Sudzha where Ukraine was housing local civilians. It's a pretty strange claim and doesn't really make sense, also details are lacking on the aftermath of the strike.


Russian Iskander strike in Sumy region.


Another destroyed Stryker and CV90, Kursk region.


A destroyed T-64BV, allegedly Ukrainian, Sumy region.


A pair of Ukrainian POWs in Kursk region.


Russian soldiers in the hamlet of Berdin.


Kharkov area.

Russian forces have pushed forward in Volchansk. This area was quiet for months but now sees an uptick in activity.


Ukrainian M113 double-tapped in the northern part of Kharkov region.


Kupyansk area.

Russian forces have drastically expanded the cross-river foothold taking all of Dvurechnoe, retaking Novomlynsk, taking Zapadnoe and pushing southward to the former village of Kalinovo.


Russian FPV drone strikes either a Gepard or a convincing decoy, near Kupyansk.


Ukrainian Humvee hits a land mine near Dvurechnoe, possibly the result of Russian remote mine-laying.


Russian drones hunting Ukrainian vehicles in the Kupyansk area.


Russian T-80BV in the Kupyansk area. Note the smoke launchers and EW mounted over the drone cage.


Oskol front.

Ukraine has counter-attacked in the fields east of Zagryzovo and inside the village, capturing a tree line, two fields, a much of the village itself. Meanwhile Russian forces have taken the rest of Novoegorovka.


Knocked out Ukrainian M113 finished off near Kislovka.


Russian forces continue to expand their area of control across the Zherebets near Kolodezi.

 

Feanor

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Seversk salient.

Clashes continue inside Belogorovka, meanwhile Russian forces have grabbed a chunk of territory south of it and have re-entered the eastern part of Verkhnekamenskoe.


Russian FPV drone strike hit the explosives underneath a bridge near Seversk. It appears Ukraine mined the bridge in anticipation of Russian advances, and when Russia realized this, they blew it themselves with a drone. This bridge connects Seversk to Serebryanka village.


Russian wire-guided drones have shown up in the woods of Serebryanaya where they can apparently operate better than their wire-guided counter-parts.


Russian Grad in the Serebryanskaya woods.


Chasov Yar.


Russian forces have cleared the entire forest in the south of town and are pushing into the town's southern areas out of the woods. South of the town Russian forces have re-entered the refuse mounds from the mine complex.


Russian tank-shed evacuates a knocked out M113 near Chasov Yar.


Ukraine's 43rd Arty Bde 2S7s firing near Chasov Yar.


Some aerial footage of the ruins of Chasov Yar.


Toretsk.

Russian forces have gained more ground in Scherbinovka, and are now confirmed in posession the second large refuse mound and the space between western Toretsk and Scherbinovka. Russian officialdom also claims all of Krymskoe has been taken but confirmation is lacking.


Russian assault teams blow a basement where allegedly Ukrainian soldiers are hiding.


Ukraine apparently shelled a residential area near a hospital with cluster munitions in Gorlovka. Gorlovka is not empty, it's a populated city.


Pokrovsk area.


West of Pokrovsk a Ukrainian counter-attack has retaken the exhaust shaft of the mine complex north of Kotlino. South-west of Pokrovsk, Russian forces have taken Serebryanoe and Novoandreevka, and advanced inside Uspenovka. They've also pushed past Novoelizavetovka and gained ground inside Nadeevka. East of Pokrovsk Russian forces have advanced north of Baranovka and taken Vodyanoe Drugoe. This is a tiny village east south east of the road juncture. This is part of Russia's continued effort to envelop Pokrovsk from this side.


Ukrainian Bradley takes an ATGM in the turret but survives, and pulls out, abandoning a dismount. This is near Nadezhdinka/Nadeevka.


Ukrainian allegedly Bradley (looks like an M113 to me) gets hit while unloading troops. I believe the second video is the same vehicle getting double-tapped.


Ukrainian BvS-10 Viking hit by a Russian FPV drone. We haven't seen these on the front in some time. It's likely they've been rotated back in.


Russian drone hits a MaxxPro near Pokrovsk.


A destroyed Bradley near Novovasilievka.


Russian TOS-2 fires near Pokrovsk. It's interesting that the already armored TOS-2 gets up-armored everywhere, and in different ways. As a result it's possible to tell it's not the same small number of them moving around different sections of the front.


Russian FPV drones are now reaching into Dnepropetrovsk region where they hit a truck on the road.


Russian Tor-M1 with the extra armor kit, Pokrovsk area.


Ukrainian police going around in Mirnograd calling on people to evacuate. It's interesting that the police speaks Ukrainian but the locals are speaking Russian and appear to be reluctant to evacuate.


Russian flag raising in Novoelizavetovka.


Kurakhovo.


Russian troops continue to push forward inside Dachnoe. Russian forces have broken into Andreevka and have taken the large strong point in the east of the village, possibly due to a Ukrainian withdrawal as it was threatened with encirclement. Russian forces also continue to advances south-west of Kurakhovo, taking piece of the fields there. Russian forces have also taken more fields south of Konstantinopol', as a result there is a threat of the pocket closing around all Ukrainian forces south of the Volchya river. In all likelihood we're going to see a Ukrainian withdrawal from that area over the next week.


Russian strikes in Dachnoe to force Ukrainian forces back. You can see survivors withdrawing after their position gets hit.


Ukrainian FV103 Spartan destroyed near Dachnoe.


Ukrainian Leo-1A5 hit near Konstantinopol'.


Russia hits a bridge across Sukhie Yaly river in Konstantinopol'.

 

Feanor

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Velikaya Novoselka area.

In Velikaya Novoselka Russian forces pushed out of the town and to the river on the north-western side. North Russian forces have pushed across the road west of Razdol'noe and expanded their area of control south of Razliv.


Russian drone strikes a knocked out Ukrainian M577 near Velikaya Novoselka.


Russian forces with a captured Mastiff MRAP taken in Velikaya Novoselka.


Zaporozhye.

Allegedly a Ukrainian drone hit a school bus in Zaporozhye area, injuring 5 children. Note both sides frequently use civilian transport in the near rear, so this could have been a mistake. But we've also seen Ukrainian drone operators double-tap a civilian ambulance in Donetsk, so this could be a war crime.


Dnepr front.


Ukraine's 124th TerDefBde is now the 30th Coastal Bde, part of the Marine Corps.


Some footage of Ukrainian strong points built around Kherson.


Black Sea/Crimea.


Apparently a Russian Orion-S strikes a Ukrainian unmanned boat with a missile.


Russia has rebuilt floating barriers around the Crimean bridge after a recent storm scattered them.


Strikes.


Battle damage from Russian Shahed strikes on a storage facility in Kharkov.


Russian Iskander strike on an administrative building in Izyum.


Russian strike hit a hotel in Odessa, allegedly foreign fighters were staying there. There's no info on civilian casualties but it's hard to imagine there weren't any.


Russia hit the Ismail port in Odessa region.


It appears a Russian strike hit two major facilities, a gas works, and a gas field, in Poltava region, leading to major fires. Footage from ground level is absent, so all we have is evidence of fires.


Russian Gerber decoys are carrying 3-5kg warheads with increasing frequency. Presumably this is meant so that they can't easily be ignored if identified as decoys.


A new 90km warhead for Shaheds was spotted used by Russia in recent strikes.


Russian Kh-22 crashes in Lipetskaya region likely due to a malfunction.


Ukrainian ex-Afghani Mi-17 downs a Shahed.


Ukrainian drone defense teams with a Bofors L70, a Zastava 20mm AAA, and a variety of machineguns.


Ukraine struck an oil refinery in Volgograd and a gas processing plant in Astrakhan'. Interesting detail, apparently the gas processing plant stopped work before the attack because they knew they could be hit, raising questions.


Ukraine hit an oil refinery in Krasnodar region with something that moved faster then a normal UAV, suggesting these might be Ukraine's new cruise missiles.


A large Ukrainian drone strike took place in Rostov-na-Donu.


An interesting look at the aftermath of the Ukrainian strike on bomber fuel storage at Engel's airbase. Most of the fuel tanks remain intact, some are only damaged, only a few are destroyed.


At least one An-196 got shot down near Nizhniy Novgorod.


Ukraine's 14th UAV Rgt preparing an An-196 for launch.


An interesting piece of information, it appears Russian local authorities are ignoring requests from civilians to get paid out for losing property to Ukrainian strikes. A few things are noteworthy. First off it appears Russia makes a practice of paying out for war losses to civilians, and this failure to pay is a bit of a scandal. Second off you'll note that Ukraine makes no such payments. Third off, Russian civilians will find war much more palatable if any material losses to them are repaid by the government.

 

Feanor

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Interesting bits.

Another video of Copperhead guided artillery shells being used by Ukraine.


More rare footage of Ukrainian Brimstone missiles.


We have reports that Russian shot down a Ukrainian Su-27 from the 831st Bde, killing the pilot, with an R-37M launched from an Su-30SM2 at a distance of 130km. The Su-27 may have been flying a mission in support of Ukrainian efforts in Kursk region.


A mobile Lancet launch trailer. While the post claims this is the first time we've seen it, it actually isn't. We've seen this type of towed trailer before. The Lancet strikes a MaxxPro.


Russian soldiers assembling Molniya drones, which apparently arrive in kits.


Russian BMP-2 getting an improvised mine trawl installed. It also has extra armored plates under the hull. Note the improvised cage sections. It has factory armor kit on the sides, unclear where the cage portion of that factory kit went. It's also missing the front section of the extra armor kit, possibly temporarily removed while they mount the trawl? You can't immediately tell it's a BMP-2M, since the Kornet tubes aren't on the turret, but it becomes clear later when you can see the sight box.


Russia's 15th Motor-Rifles riding a new BTR-82AT with a robust drone cage and EW.


A look at a Russian assault shed in the making. They have an armored capsule for 6 soldiers, with a layer of brick between two layers of steel, and rubber sheeting on the inside, possibly intended to serve as some sort of spall liner. Around the capsule is a larger shed with a double layer of logs sandwiched between sheets of steel. Awkwardly enough Russia has a vehicle called the BMO-T, a few of which were even in service pre-war. This is a heavy APC on the T-72 chassis. It's also meant to carry 6. Yet instead we have this.


Russian D-74s at a traning ground in Donetsk region.


Russian forces with a Leo-2A4, captured and hauled away.


Ukraine's 47th Assault bde with a Bradley. Note the drone cage. Ukraine has been using well designed but relatively flimsy foldable drone cages. They're easier to use but we've seen them fail. Now it appears Ukraine has gone the Russian route, a large fixed cage. Note the cage is attached to the turret, making it possible to rotate. In this regard it's similar to the new T-80BVMs and T-72B3s Russia has fielded with drone-cages on the turret.


Footage of vehicles from Ukraine's 155th Mech Bde continues to show up. It's possible this PR effort is meant to counter-act the bad reputation the unit has.


Ukraine's 33rd Mech with M113AS4 and M113 with the Guardian 1.5 RCWS.


A look at some pretty convincing Ukrainian Leo-2A6 decoys.


Ukraine is reportedly transferring 50 000 service members from other MOS into infantry. This is presumably a response to a shortage of front line troops. This comes at the same time as we have reports of Ukraine halting the formation of the 158th, 159th, 160th, and 162nd Bdes. One interpretation is the increasing manpower shortage. Another is that Ukraine is accurately refocusing their priorities. I suspect both are at least partly true.


It appears Google maps has started hiding certain parts of Ukraine, replacing the images with older footage.

 

Fredled

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Zelensky said:
45,100 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, and 390,000 have been wounded.
link
Independent estimates puts Ukrainian KIAs at between 75K and 120K. But it's interesting that his number for the wounded is more or less in line with reliable estimates.
However his number for Russian killed and wounded are even higher than what is reported by the Ukrainian MoD propaganda. <== LOL.

Feanor said:
This comes at the same time as we have reports of Ukraine halting the formation of the 158th, 159th, 160th, and 162nd Bdes. One interpretation is the increasing manpower shortage. Another is that Ukraine is accurately refocusing their priorities. I suspect both are at least partly true.
From what I have heard and read, it made no sens to create new brigades while not replenishing the existing ones which have lost up to half of their men. This is what they noticed when the 155th Brigade came back from France and was urgently dismantled to fill the gaps in other brigades. It was a mess because the soldiers were trained to work together, not separately. They should train soldiers to be able to join any brigade which lacks manpower.
Of course there wouldn't be such issue if there were no manpower shortage. That's obvious.

The other big problem is that they send new recruits to the hottest spots, notably in Pokrovsk. Not because they like it but because they urgently need reinforcments there and the new units can come faster than by displacing older units from another region. Displacing older units from other regions is also not good because they will lose the advantage to know well the region and geography were they used to be.
Bringing fresh recruits directly under Russian artillery fire is causing desertion and movements of discontent.

Feonor said:
It appears Google maps has started hiding certain parts of Ukraine, replacing the images with older footage.
Google Map is the best spying satellite network the Russian can have access to. + It's free.
Better not show Ukrainian trenches there.

Feanor said:
An interesting look at the aftermath of the Ukrainian strike on bomber fuel storage at Engel's airbase. Most of the fuel tanks remain intact, some are only damaged, only a few are destroyed.
Feanor said:
In my opinion destroying fuel tanks is one of the least effective approaches in Ukraine's strike campaign. They're relatively easy to manufacture, and Russia very much has a manufacturing base. Strikes against things that are harder to rebuild and rely on imported supplies are probably the most important to hit. Strikes against military facilities can be good too but you risk getting everything shot down.
It would take another 4 attacks like these to destroy the entire fuel depot. But the Engels air base is heavily protected. Ukrainians have made several attempts in the past. Trying to hit bombers was not really successful (one plane destroyed and one damaged if I remember correctly). So they switched to larger targets like fuel tanks and ammunition depots. The fuel tanks are more likely to be filled and take fire than hangars which can be empty of don't contain explosive.
To hit things "harder to rebuild" is even more difficult because it requires more precision. But they did. They hit two big radars from the Early Warning System a few months ago. It's not like they don't want to.

Destroying only 25% of the fuel storage capacity is not going to cripple the air bombing operations, but compounded to other strikes on various fuel facilities across the region, it will start to have an effect.

Feanor said:
Russian sources are constitently claiming a Ukrainian HIMARS strike hit a building in Sudzha where Ukraine was housing local civilians. It's a pretty strange claim and doesn't really make sense
Unless they fired the HIMARS vertically and let the missile fall back on themselves, I don't know how Ukrainians would have managed to do that. But if they did, it's a technological prowess. <== LOL :D

Feanor said:
Russian forces have pushed forward in Volchansk. This area was quiet for months but now sees an uptick in activity.
On the other hand, I have heard that Ukrainians retook the Kombinat...
Maybe it was a reaction to this?

Feanor said:
Russian forces have drastically expanded the cross-river foothold taking all of Dvurechnoe, retaking Novomlynsk, taking Zapadnoe and pushing southward to the former village of Kalinovo.
I started to worry about that two months ago. Russians tried to retake territory there for a while. The situation doesn't look good for the Ukrainians there.

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Russia has rebuilt floating barriers around the Crimean bridge after a recent storm scattered them.
Barriers wash ashore again in occupied Kerch.
Ukrinform said:
and no one is removing them.
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An interesting piece of information, it appears Russian local authorities are ignoring requests from civilians to get paid out for losing property to Ukrainian strikes. A few things are noteworthy. First off it appears Russia makes a practice of paying out for war losses to civilians, and this failure to pay is a bit of a scandal.
It's not easy to receive compensations for material losses: You must bring proof of property. If the documents burned together with the house, in some cases it's impossible.

Also, all those who left to the Ukrainian side have definetely lost all what they had if they didn't come back. There was a deadline to allow the refugees to return, get a Russian passport and then applied for compensation or to simply retake possession of their property. Not only compensation but recognition of ownership is not possible without a Russian Passport, so these people have to take the Russian citizenship.

In Mariupol, many inhabitants were offered new houses in the outskirt and far from the sea, while they originally lived in the center or near the sea where real estate was more expensive. Then Russians citizens are coming and bought for very cheap, or received or developed their own real estates projects in the the expensive areas where the original population came from.

Feanor said:
Second off you'll note that Ukraine makes no such payments.
It's not true. Ukraine has fund for war loss compensation. I will try to find a link if you want.

Feanor said:
Third off, Russian civilians will find war much more palatable if any material losses to them are repaid by the government.
Especialy since it's the Russian who destroyed or are the cause of the destruction. But it's in the nature of the Russian people to respect those who make them suffer. This is the right price to pay to fight against Nazism, you know...

Another, large prisoner exchange:
As part of a prisoner exchange with Russia, 150 Ukrainian defenders have returned home.

Ukrainians claims the capture of 21 Russian soldiers in Kursk.
However they don't say whether it's in one day, in one week, in one month or since the beginning of the incursion (!?).
Ukrinform said:
Servicemen of the Ukrainian Air Assault Forces, in cooperation with allied units, have captured 21 Russian soldiers in Kursk region.
It's interesting that, for the first time, they speak of "allied units". This term refers generally to foreign forces officially deployed, not to mercenaries.
 

Feanor

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From what I have heard and read, it made no sens to create new brigades while not replenishing the existing ones which have lost up to half of their men. This is what they noticed when the 155th Brigade came back from France and was urgently dismantled to fill the gaps in other brigades. It was a mess because the soldiers were trained to work together, not separately. They should train soldiers to be able to join any brigade which lacks manpower.
Of course there wouldn't be such issue if there were no manpower shortage. That's obvious.
It made no sense to create the last crop of new brigades but they did it anyway. It's been the case for a while that Ukraine, instead of funneling reinforcements to the units that make the most sense funnel them first and foremost to new formations with the idea that the existing units will magically just continue to hold the line while the new units will achieve something somewhere. It doesn't really work like that.

Unless they fired the HIMARS vertically and let the missile fall back on themselves, I don't know how Ukrainians would have managed to do that. But if they did, it's a technological prowess. <== LOL :D
The claim is a HIMARS launch from Sumy into Sudzha. Nobody is claiming HIMARS positions were inside Sudzha. In point of fact I don't think any of Ukraine's HIMARS or M270 strikes came from inside Kursk region.

I started to worry about that two months ago. Russians tried to retake territory there for a while. The situation doesn't look good for the Ukrainians there.
It's getting worse already. There is another Russian foothold in Topoli, this one coupled with a cross-border fixing attack. It's still a small one, but Russia is definitely working on a large cross-Oskol effort. I wouldn't be surprised if Kupyansk isn't even the immediate target and instead Russia intends to develop a large area north of Kupyansk west of the Oskol before enveloping Kupyansk from the western side.

It's not easy to receive compensations for material losses: You must bring proof of property. If the documents burned together with the house, in some cases it's impossible.
It's really not that complicated. If it's a home and it burned, there is a state registry of who owns what real estate and who is registered as a resident where (the infamous propiska/прописка).

Also, all those who left to the Ukrainian side have definetely lost all what they had if they didn't come back. There was a deadline to allow the refugees to return, get a Russian passport and then applied for compensation or to simply retake possession of their property. Not only compensation but recognition of ownership is not possible without a Russian Passport, so these people have to take the Russian citizenship.
Correct. To be clear, I'm talking about old Russian regions, not newly annexed territories, where Ukrainian drone strikes or fallen SAM debris often damages private property. I suspect we will see another wave of Russia attempting to attract residents to newly annexed areas but later. Mariupol' was very depopulated, a key logistical node in the corridor to Crimea, and at the same time very far from the front line making large scale investments relatively safe. A similar effort will be done around Donetsk later this year or likelier early next year, as the front moves away from it. It's likely also an effort will happen in Severdonetsk-Lisichansk but not until after the fall of Seversk and the front line is more in the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk area. Russia badly needs to demonstrate their rule is at least not terrible so they will do what they can.

In Mariupol, many inhabitants were offered new houses in the outskirt and far from the sea, while they originally lived in the center or near the sea where real estate was more expensive. Then Russians citizens are coming and bought for very cheap, or received or developed their own real estates projects in the the expensive areas where the original population came from.
In some cases yes, in other cases no. A lot of the neighborhoods by the sea were practically flattened while the reconstruction effort also involved a quantity of scratch-built new housing on the outskirts. But reconstruction is continuing and not everyone ended up displaced. Also some of the newly built houses were built poorly. But I suspect there will be more opportunities for locals who haven't returned yet to return later.

It's not true. Ukraine has fund for war loss compensation. I will try to find a link if you want.
If you don't mind, I haven't heard anything about it.

Especialy since it's the Russian who destroyed or are the cause of the destruction. But it's in the nature of the Russian people to respect those who make them suffer. This is the right price to pay to fight against Nazism, you know...
If a Ukrainian UAV falls on a house in Bryansk region, it isn't Russia who destroyed the house.
 

Bob53

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True but the disparity in payload is extremely large. So even with the improved accuracy the damage is still not enough to cause drastic and immediate impact. Ukraine has ramped up attacks recently, and it's a logical way to go, to try and force Russia to seek peace. But it will be some time before this has the kind of effect they're looking for, and they're probably going to have to ramp up the effort even more.



In my opinion destroying fuel tanks is one of the least effective approaches in Ukraine's strike campaign. They're relatively easy to manufacture, and Russia very much has a manufacturing base. Strikes against things that are harder to rebuild and rely on imported supplies are probably the most important to hit. Strikes against military facilities can be good too but you risk getting everything shot down.



This is my impression as well. Except maybe more like tens of thousands. Ukraine is smaller then Russia and all of it is in Russian drone reach, and Russia has launched thousands of Shahed drones, and thousands of missiles, at targets in Ukraine, yet Ukraine has survived. Missiles are more destructive then drones, with much larger payload. So to really cripple Russia would probably take more then what has so far not quite crippled Ukraine.
Usually you destroy a fuel tank in a tank farm you start a fire that spreads to other tanks. My original view was take out a few strategically placed tanks and you get the lot with fire or heat. They must have great firemen.
 
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Vivendi

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Interesting op-ed in Norwegian defence journal Stratagem: The Kremlin’s gamble – why the Russians did not underestimate the Ukrainians in February 2022

I have not seen many (or any?) analysts with such a perspective, so I am curious to hear what people here think about his thoughts. He also suggests that if his analysis is correct it could change how we should think about this whole war (personally I don't agree):

If they launched the invasion as a gamble, being aware of the significant risks of failure, territorial expansion as a driver is less probable. Additionally, the costs the Russian leadership and society are willing to accept points to a driver that is closer to necessity rather than opportunity.
His final conclusion is pretty strongly worded, I wonder what he really means by this:
[however] a failure to sufficiently understand the Russian perspective will have grave consequences in the months and years to come.
Whether his analysis is right or wrong it has not changed my conclusion: European countries must continue to support Ukraine, we must rapidly re-arm, and we must stay united. We must not be scared by the Russian threat to Europe, which is very real.
 

Feanor

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Usually you destroy a tank you start a fire that spreads to other tanks. My original view was take out a few strategically placed tanks and you get the lot with fire or heat. They must have great firemen.
Or the tanks are designed and deployed in a manner that specifically prevents this? I don't know. Russia has a federal agency call the MChS (Ministry for Emergency Situations) that controls all the fire fighters, as well as many other emergency services.

Interesting op-ed in Norwegian defence journal Stratagem: The Kremlin’s gamble – why the Russians did not underestimate the Ukrainians in February 2022

I have not seen many (or any?) analysts with such a perspective, so I am curious to hear what people here think about his thoughts. He also suggests that if his analysis is correct it could change how we should think about this whole war (personally I don't agree):

His final conclusion is pretty strongly worded, I wonder what he really means by this:

Whether his analysis is right or wrong it has not changed my conclusion: European countries must continue to support Ukraine, we must rapidly re-arm, and we must stay united. We must not be scared by the Russian threat to Europe, which is very real.
Interesting piece, thanks for sharing. I see his point and it's not unpersuasive, but I do have some questions. If they anticipated the possibility of failure, why wasn't a second echelon prepared? Partial mobilization is an extreme move, but Russia could have simply used their current cash-focused recruiting model immediately to start forming a second echelon? Second and third echelons of troops are also standard Soviet doctrine and part of a mobilization effort. Instead Russia tried to get by with peacetime recruiting and some irregular volunteer formations, trying to destroy the Ukrainian army all throughout 2022 with generally poor results, a couple of operations excepted. It took the substantial defeat in Kharkov and a forced withdrawal from Kherson region for Russia to decide to do a partial mobilization. I think it's possible Russian leadership understood the invasion was a gamble, but I don't think they understood the severity of the problem until Ukraine scored some battlefield victories.
 

Fredled

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@Feanor
HOME project to provide housing compensation for 5,700 Ukrainians
This is the last news about compensations for lost home in Ukraine. Not the total description. Just to say that something of that effect exists.

Ukraine doesn't have the same amounts of funds that Russia enjoys. They can't give much. I also imagine that the number of people applying is much higher on the Ukrainian side than in territories occupied by Russia.
Ukrainians rely on European funds because they don't have much money themselves. (If I remember correctly 60% of the Ukrainian state budget (excluding foreign funds) is allocated to the defence department/war effort.)
Ukraine has also an urgent need to rebuild energy and health and educational facilities. Energetic and health facilities have priority over individual housing. This is war.

Amid limited resources, Ukraine must change its approach to paying compensation for lost housing

That was the two most recent articles I found ion Ukrinform. More info must be available elsewhere.
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Bob53 said:
Usually you destroy a tank you start a fire that spreads to other tanks. My original view was take out a few strategically placed tanks and you get the lot with fire or heat. They must have great firemen.
Feanor said:
Or the tanks are designed and deployed in a manner that specifically prevents this?
Tanks depot are designed so that if one tank takes fire the others are preserved. Also, Many fuels won't always ignite just because there is fire outside the tank.
 
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Feanor

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@Feanor
HOME project to provide housing compensation for 5,700 Ukrainians
This is the last news about compensations for lost home in Ukraine. Not the total description. Just to say that something of that effect exists.

Ukraine doesn't have the same amounts of funds that Russia enjoys. They can't give much. I also imagine that the number of people applying is much higher on the Ukrainian side than in territories occupied by Russia.
Ukrainians rely on European funds because they don't have much money themselves. (If I remember correctly 60% of the Ukrainian state budget (excluding foreign funds) is allocated to the defence department/war effort.)
Ukraine has also an urgent need to rebuild energy and health and educational facilities. Energetic and health facilities have priority over individual housing. This is war.

Amid limited resources, Ukraine must change its approach to paying compensation for lost housing

That was the two most recent articles I found ion Ukrinform. More info must be available elsewhere.
So some compensation is available but given the scope and scale of the conflict, this is a drop in a bucket. It seems to me that you're trying to defend/explain why Ukraine can't provide compensations. I'm aware of the limitations Ukraine faces. Objectively, however, Ukrainian civilians are feeling this war far more even when they're in similar circumstances to their Russian counter-parts. This also only talks about compensation for housing. In the case of Russia my understanding is that if a Pantsyr stage falls on your car while Russian air defenses intercept something, you get compensated. Ukraine fires off SAMs in dense urban areas all the time doing property damage. This contributes to Ukraine's population feeling the war.
 
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