Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
I think that the non replacement of Manawanui just indicates the direction this government will take on the DCP which is to do as little as possible with as little money as possible. They simply don't care about our long term security or the freedom of our children and grandchildren in the future. It is all about the politics they adhere to today. they will talk the talk but it is highly unlikely that they will walk the talk.
Agree, but like Canada, perhaps to a slightly less extent, it is the electorate that is the problem IMHO, especially in the absence of a significant number of pollies expressing concerns about defence eroding policy.
 

Rob c

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Public Opinion is an influential factor in the minds of politicians.

Are there any prominent groups that advocate increased defence spending to the electorate?
While public opinion does influence politicians, it is the media and politicians that that influence public opinion and by making defence a not debated subject in NZ, the politicians here have controlled both the public and the media.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Public Opinion is an influential factor in the minds of politicians.

Are there any prominent groups that advocate increased defence spending to the electorate?
Can't speak for NZ but one would think defence companies, and we do have some viable Canadian companies in this sector. They don't promote themselves and their importance very well. American subsidiary defence companies are low-key as well, only promoting their job and economic contributions. Neither stress their essential purpose, defending the country. In Canada we have some reasonably informed journalists who report on defence but publications keep them on the back pages for the most part.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
While public opinion does influence politicians, it is the media and politicians that that influence public opinion and by making defence a not debated subject in NZ, the politicians here have controlled both the public and the media.
I suggest then, based on your comment, the media is failing. I guess they are like pollies, defence issues don't help their interests (electoral success and making money respectively). Pretty much the same here.
 

Rob c

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I suggest then, based on your comment, the media is failing. I guess they are like pollies, defence issues don't help their interests (electoral success and making money respectively). Pretty much the same here.
Our media is notably left wing ( a recent poll confirmed this) very PC and Woke.
 

Catalina

Member
Are there any prominent groups that advocate increased defence spending to the electorate?
Rather than the media or defence companies, I was thinking more along the lines of any defence advocacy groups, such as the Environmental Defence Society, which 'advocates, litigates and brings people together for the environment.'
 
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