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iambuzzard

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Stampede said:
It’s a dammed situation of lack of time, engineering challenges and politics.

For all the attributes of the Collin’s Class, does anyone seriously believe they will provide the service we expect from them in the time frame we need them to serve.

NO!

Complete folly and nonsense.

A Plan B is a must decision that needs action asap.
Peter Briggs recent article in ASPIs The Strategist may or may not be the answer, but relying on the expectation that our SSN endeavour will deliver both on time and in numbers is optimistic to say the least.

What’s better ,spending vast sums on Collin’s for a mixed result , or invest similar amounts of coin into a Plan B

We are reluctantly yet prudently building frigates overseas for our Navy

A modest number of Submarines may need to be apart of that mix as well.

A hard conversation that needs to happen

Cheers S
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I don't think Peter Brigg's idea makes sense.
With the RN and USN basing subs out of FBW from 2027 we can keep the best of the Collins in the water supplementing them with the nukes until ours arrive. Buying French boats will just create a further mess.
 
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swerve

Super Moderator
Volkodav said:
They are modular, scalable radars that are fully integrated with SAAB 9Lv CMS. Most of the load would be on SAAB to integrate their CMS into the platform.

Look at what they are doing with the Hobart's, SAAB is adapting 9Lv as an interface to sit on top of AEGIS and more easily integrate everything else.
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According to what I've found online, 9LV has been fitted on Chinese-built frigates operated by the Thai navy, with western sensors & weapons.
 
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Sandson41

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hauritz said:
The non-reponsiveness of the crew tells me that nobody has a clue what they are supposed to do when a drone approaches. Really there should be an enforcable no fly zone around these ships.
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How would that work exactly? Should a peacetime navy shoot down civilian drones in the middle of a city full of civilians? 25mm? Anti-drone ECM? What happens when the thing crashes into a crowd on the opera house steps?
How big is the no-fly zone? As far as the bridge? That's only a few hundred metres.
Maybe the real estate developers are right and they should move the whole fleet somewhere else. Only cost us a few dozen billion dollars or more...
Or they can smile and wave, which is certainly cheaper.

Edit: With the Americans talking about shooting down any bright light in the sky I may be reading too much into your 'enforcable no-fly zone' bit.
 
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Maranoa

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A small drone downed by ECM, or laser or light skeet shot projectile would present no danger to anybody when falling. So yes, enforceable no fly zone is the way to go. Old mate, should also be facing some serious consequences and if legislation to punish him doesn't exist it should be tabled immediately.
 
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SammyC

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I would suggest if we are going to have military bases in the middle of densely populated civilian areas, then we have to accept this comes with the territory.

In other areas, the security is tighter. My younger brother (an avid drone fanatic) recently took his drone too close to a WA regional airforce base (he was on holiday and was exploring). Yes he is an idiot.

He knew he entered restricted space because his controller (standard on most drones) specifies restricted air spaces.

He had the police at his door within 30 minutes. (They accurately tracked the drone back to its receipt point).

They inspected his drone and he was given a stern lecturing. They did however advise that had he taken his drone any further into the base, it would have been taken control of and potentially crashed in a safe location.

He was advised if he does it again he will be charged, required to attend court on trespassing and have his equipment (including vehicle and anything else involved) confiscated.

His girlfriend gave him an absolute pineappling afterwards, and he had his drone expenditure account curtailed until she sees fit for him to have it back.
 
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Stampede

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Maranoa said:
A small drone downed by ECM, or laser or light skeet shot projectile would present no danger to anybody when falling. So yes, enforceable no fly zone is the way to go. Old mate, should also be facing some serious consequences and if legislation to punish him doesn't exist it should be tabled immediately.
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Defence facilities are not public recreation areas
Fences ,gates and doors with keys exist for a reason.
The drone”thing” has evolved rapidly over the last decade
Maritime and air spaces should also be secure from public incursion.

Not sure of the current legal standing , but landing a drone on a LHD and up close to other naval vessels is to my mind totally unacceptable.

View from a distance fine but not this.

Cheers S
 
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seaspear

Well-Known Member
Stampede said:
Defence facilities are not public recreation areas
Fences ,gates and doors with keys exist for a reason.
The drone”thing” has evolved rapidly over the last decade
Maritime and air spaces should also be secure from public incursion.

Not sure of the current legal standing , but landing a drone on a LHD and up close to other naval vessels is to my mind totally unacceptable.

View from a distance fine but not this.

Cheers S
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Is it only a matter of time before someone sends drones inside these landing ships or carriers ,the carriers especially would be at risk with their sides open in port hopefully there are procedures being developed for this
 
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seaspear

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devo99

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Maranoa said:
A small drone downed by ECM, or laser or light skeet shot projectile would present no danger to anybody when falling. So yes, enforceable no fly zone is the way to go. Old mate, should also be facing some serious consequences and if legislation to punish him doesn't exist it should be tabled immediately.
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I can assure you they're not going to be shooting anything at Kuttabul, there's residential buildings within 100 metres of the base. Would be nice to see the MPs get some of those drone guns from DroneShield that everyone but the ADF seems to be buying lately. Otherwise they should just focus on catching the pilots, so long as it's just camera drones they aren't really getting any angles of the ships not visible from outside the base anyway.
 
spoz

spoz

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Canberra was alongside in what are declared Naval waters. That means that innocent passage, on the water or in the air, is usually permitted but that they may be closed, and access denied, at short notice. Landing a drone on a ship is not “innocent passage”; so legally the Navy could take an appropriate and proportionate response to cause the operator to cease and desist. That has, in the past, included disabling craft breaching a closure when it has been safe to do so. This would include incapacitating a drone when there is little or no probability of injury to person or property. That would have been the case here.

However, the ship is alongside in its home port; and it looks to be at a time which is not normal working hours. So the probability of any of the Ship’s Company being on the flight deck, and actually seeing the thing is low. In any case, in home port, force protection at normal alert states is provided by the Naval Police who man the Dockyard, not by the ship itself.
 
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