Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

SABRE

Super Moderator
Verified Defense Pro
At present both the Turkish and the Chinese 5th Gen options seem to be on the table. My hunch is that PAF is seriously looking into the Turkish option. As for J-35, may be its too soon to say. I do know that there was more interest in J-20 than J-35.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Pakistan conduct first flight test of their largest medium range balistic missile system and also their first operational MIRV. Considering the problem with their politics and economic situation, this is quite considerable achievement.

This is also means Pakistan can now cover most of India. This Ababeel is their answer for Indian latest Agni.

 

SABRE

Super Moderator
Verified Defense Pro

Pakistan conduct first flight test of their largest medium range balistic missile system and also their first operational MIRV. Considering the problem with their politics and economic situation, this is quite considerable achievement.

This is also means Pakistan can now cover most of India. This Ababeel is their answer for Indian latest Agni.

1. This is not the first Ababeel test.

2. 'Most' of India was already covered with Shaheen-II and Ghauri MRBMs.

3. Shaheen-III MRBM covers India in its 'entirety,' including its Aandaman and Nicobar islands.

4. Significance of Ababeel is the MIRV capability, designed to overwhelm India's ABM capability and also make Pakistan's strategic weapons programmes more economical (not necessarily financially only). The missile in itself is proven as it is based on solid-fuel Shaheen series ballistic missiles.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Pakistan has plans to acquire the Chinese SAC FC-31 fifth-generation fighter, according to head of the Pakistan Air Force.
Not much details were given during the ceremony.


Lots of questions about the J-35 (31),FC-31 jet. As a lower cost alternative to the J -20 with the goal of future export sales, the level of stealth is the first question. How much stealth tech should be available to foreign AFs?. This may require different versions. As the PLAN needs a carrier jet, this is another version. Although China could likely afford multiple versions, this takes time and more money. The priority will be a carrier jet with some stealth. If Pakistan is willing to pay the extra cost China may export this version. If not, Pakistan will have to wait and see if China develops a derivative of the PLAN’s carrier jet. Just my two cents.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
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Nice Photo on JF-17, wondering tough if that configuration can be work out on operational day to day. I don't want to get involve on JF-17 vs Tejas debate that ussualy fill Pakistan and Indian forum. However at present configuration, personally I don't see either Tejas or JF-17 on it's own surpassing each other.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group

This India Defense Media sites 'quote' Pakistan media on J-35A green light to be procure by PAF. Now this is so far only one side media talk. No confirmation from Pakistan and Chinese official yet.

Still similar situation arise on J-10C acquisition talk before. It create much debates whether the acquisition was real deal or not. Then out of sudden J-10C come to PAF inventory. If this also come through, then PAF tied up with China supplies near complete with JF-17, J-10C and now J-35A. Going to raise question on that mix what future for their F-16A/B/C/D.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
It is unlikely that the US is willing to sell F-16V Block 70/72s or Upgrade Packages on that level to Pakistan, with Pakistan having such close ties with china. I expect Pakistan will continue to use them until they are totally worn out, or all replaced by made-in-china stuff.
 

SABRE

Super Moderator
Verified Defense Pro

This India Defense Media sites 'quote' Pakistan media on J-35A green light to be procure by PAF. Now this is so far only one side media talk. No confirmation from Pakistan and Chinese official yet.

Still similar situation arise on J-10C acquisition talk before. It create much debates whether the acquisition was real deal or not. Then out of sudden J-10C come to PAF inventory. If this also come through, then PAF tied up with China supplies near complete with JF-17, J-10C and now J-35A. Going to raise question on that mix what future for their F-16A/B/C/D.
PAF's Chief had expressed intent to acquire J-31/J-35. I suspect he was in on the developmental trajectory, or was very closely following it, and partially committed to the acquisition as soon as the refined variant (i.e., J-35A) neared completion.

F-16s will remain in service for as long as they can. Pakistani engineers are quite proficient in maintaining the F-16s. Moreover, the AMRAAMs & JDAMs are still a potent capabilities will likely remain so for a considerable period. Although, the aircraft and weapons would be relegated to third or fourth tier. The future of F-16, however, is of lesser concern than J-10's as J-35's induction is more likely to impact the latter's acquisition in significant numbers.
 

SABRE

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Verified Defense Pro
It is unlikely that the US is willing to sell F-16V Block 70/72s or Upgrade Packages on that level to Pakistan, with Pakistan having such close ties with china. I expect Pakistan will continue to use them until they are totally worn out, or all replaced by made-in-china stuff.
PAF has also not entertained the idea of Block 70/72. But this could because of the realization that the US will not sell unless Pakistan come up with hard cash of its own. On the other hand, PAF is quite happy with the Chinese technology and for all practical purposes has transitioned to it.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
The J-35 will likely be an indication for future Chinese military aviation sales to neutrals and friends. Doesn’t have to match the F-35, just be reasonably close. “Close” will be a function of price of course.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
With J-10C I suspect some in PAF brass are already satisfied enough compare to invest on F-16V (whether new build or conversion). Despite some glamours talk on JF-17 Blk 3 on Pakistan media and forums, I suspect PAF will hedge more against Rafale or SU-30MKI with J-10C. JF-17 Blk3 more talk on quantities just like India Tejas Mk1A or even Mk2.

This J-35A will create more layers above J-10C against Rafale and MKI. India seems bet more on AMCA as their indigenous Gen5 rather then invest from other people Gen5. Although Indian media and Forums now seems buzzing again with prospect of Su-57 as Gen5 stop gap until AMCA ready.
 

T.C.P

Well-Known Member
With J-10C I suspect some in PAF brass are already satisfied enough compare to invest on F-16V (whether new build or conversion). Despite some glamours talk on JF-17 Blk 3 on Pakistan media and forums, I suspect PAF will hedge more against Rafale or SU-30MKI with J-10C. JF-17 Blk3 more talk on quantities just like India Tejas Mk1A or even Mk2.

This J-35A will create more layers above J-10C against Rafale and MKI. India seems bet more on AMCA as their indigenous Gen5 rather then invest from other people Gen5. Although Indian media and Forums now seems buzzing again with prospect of Su-57 as Gen5 stop gap until AMCA ready.
Dont want to derail the thread, but if Pakistan gets a J-35 in the next 3-4 years, India should absolutely get some Su-57s. I doubt if India could ramp up their indigenous 5th gen project even in 10 years. Unless the US is ready to sell them F-35s, India will have lower quality platforms over both rivals.


The J-35 will likely be an indication for future Chinese military aviation sales to neutrals and friends. Doesn’t have to match the F-35, just be reasonably close. “Close” will be a function of price of course.
Price will be a major factor along with how downgraded the export versions of the J-35 will be. Its going to mainly compete with Rafales and possible Kf-21 in the future (as long as US does not put too uch restrictions on the American components of the KF-21). It may compete with Typhoons too if Germany relaxes its objections to the exports more.
 

SABRE

Super Moderator
Verified Defense Pro
With J-10C I suspect some in PAF brass are already satisfied enough compare to invest on F-16V (whether new build or conversion). Despite some glamours talk on JF-17 Blk 3 on Pakistan media and forums, I suspect PAF will hedge more against Rafale or SU-30MKI with J-10C. JF-17 Blk3 more talk on quantities just like India Tejas Mk1A or even Mk2.

This J-35A will create more layers above J-10C against Rafale and MKI. India seems bet more on AMCA as their indigenous Gen5 rather then invest from other people Gen5. Although Indian media and Forums now seems buzzing again with prospect of Su-57 as Gen5 stop gap until AMCA ready.
Block 3 is a quite a formidable platform in its own right but neither its development is correlated to Tejas (any of its variants ... also considering the fact that the current variant of it is no where near operational readiness, being inducted in large numbers, or being mass produced) or to be inducted in bulk (as things stand right now). PAF intends on inducting some 50+ units of it and upgrading Block 2 to near Block 3 standard. There was a debate on potential Block 4 and the conclusion was that the envisioned aircraft would only be possible if the existing one was completely redesigned. Perhaps, this has led to the PFX project. Whether the project will takeoff anytime soon, if at all, is something that only time will tell.

Block 2 and Block 3 - especially the latter - alongside F-16s are quite capable of handling MKIs. J-10C might very well operate in the environment where Rafale is expected to participate.
 
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